I believe!
[quote]jonnyblaze wrote:
CoreyK wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
CoreyK wrote:
Additionally, for me personally the evidence in support for Christianity is overwhelming.
I’d like hear more about this.
you just gotta have faith, lol
That’s the only answer I’ve ever gotten to that question, and frankly, it blows my mind.
Not sure if you’re serious enough about this idea to invest time in reading a couple books but if you ever get to that point in your life where it’s important enough to you, I’d recommend reading “Mere Christianity” by CS Lewis and maybe even “The Life of Christ” by Fulton Sheen. The Lewis book pretty much saved my faith when I had a lot of doubts – it doesn’t PROVE anything and that’s the genius of it. It simply puts forth a very logical argument showing that belief is not an entirely unreasonable/“out-there” proposition. [/quote]
I would just like to see someone stop referencing and/or dropping faith bombs and tell me ONE legitimate reason to believe that Jesus Christ was divine.
Anyone?
Don’t believe don’t think I ever have
[quote]Beowolf wrote:
Papa Nick wrote:
When death knocks on our doors I wonder how many that posted here will remeber what they wrote here and think…“I sure hope I was right”.
If I’m wrong I’m confident (IE I have faith) an all knowing being will forgive my undecided stance and judge me on my moral character =D[/quote]
And I sure hope it will not be Thor because he will kick me in the nuts for being a pussy.
This documentary is really interesting. It discusses the “true” origins or Christianity. As an attempt at gaining poltical control. Check it out, it is very long-22 parts. Starts here at 2
I have seen evidence of evolution and the big bang, but never anything for the existence of God in any capacity more than that of Santa.
[quote]fatsensei wrote:
who believes that God created us and his son Jesus came and died on the cross for our sins so that if we believe in Him and trust in Him for salvation that you will go to heaven.
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I do not believe this. I cannot suspend my reason to accept statements like this as fact. I have no problem if my neighbor believes this. I also know many smart people who are willing to compartmentalize their lives and suspend their reason to accept this statement. It must provide them with some value, maybe inner peace, and that is fine for them.
As mentioned by others, I DO have a problem when my neighbor tries to impose their beliefs on me through the actions of government. It is my opinion that trying to implement altruistic philosophy, as espoused by Christianity, Judaism, Islam, etc. is destroying this country.
My job is not to “serve the greater good” or “aid my fellow man” at the point of a gun. My life is mine alone to live and pursue my own happiness, free to support the values in my life (my health, my children, my friends, etc.). If I happen to believe that giving to others will secure my afterlife, I should do this voluntarily, not at the point of a gun. If you think abortion is wrong because of religious teachings, then you should feel confident that god will judge those who “disobey him” in the afterlife and not worry about imposing your beliefs on others. Freedom of speech allows you the opportunity to convince others of your position, not to force it upon them.
Jesus Christ or John Galt? The Republican Party’s Identity Crisis
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5466
I choose the rational, live for your values philosophy of Ayn Rand over the primitive mysticism that tells me my life belongs to some imaginary deity.
As for government, stick to courts, police and military. Everything else, Laissez-faire!
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
Good question. [/quote]
I wondered who was responible for the resurrection of a 4 year old thread…
I am a believer, tried and true. Raised through the church; questioned validity; experienced/witnessed life’s hardships/struggles/conquers; realized the only cause is greater than us.
[quote]erik56 wrote:
jasmincar wrote:
erik56 wrote:
The most basic definition of life is an localised entity that doesnt obey to the second law of thermodynamic temporarily (after you die and the disorder keeps on growing)
HAHAHA you combat a claim by Stephen Hawkin, the greatest physicist, with a claim from Charles Darwin. Ignorance reigns supreme in you, jasmincar.
And yes, I have completed and passed Thermo I and II. Any problem would be fine :)[/quote]
???
It is not a ‘‘claim from Charles Darwin’’. you fail another time
I wonder if the greatest phyicist or the world stephen hawkins is creationnist
[quote]karlrichii wrote:
Goodfellow:
you seem to have a very post modern view of God… is he really God if he’s subject to whatever we make Him out to be? Sounds like that makes us god, creating our own reality…[/quote]
I didn’t mean it in the sense that we make god into different things. I meant that if God were to exist, I believe that he would take many forms to give people guidance.
As for there being something after life as we know it, I wouldn’t be arrogant enough to say that there was. That would imply I am too good to simply ‘die’ and decompose.
I can’t say I do hope for something like that. But it would feel wrong to go to church and pray to god, simply for the benefit of going to heaven, that would defeat the purpose of it.
All I do to be ‘worthy enough’ is to just keep my intregrity and make the right choices when they arise.
[quote]DeepSouth wrote:
fatsensei wrote:
It seems that there have been alot of discussions on evolution/creation lately and it also seems that the majority of T-Nation leans towards evolution.
I’m not interested in a debate of who’s right or wrong I’m just interested in who believes that God created us and his son Jesus came and died on the cross for our sins so that if we believe in Him and trust in Him for salvation that you will go to heaven.
Just curious.
FatSensei
I believe that, absolutely.
Evolution and Creation are not contradictions in my opinion. Additionally, for me personally the evidence in support for Christianity is overwhelming.
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2nded.
[quote]rainjack wrote:
fatsensei wrote:
… who believes that God created us and his son Jesus came and died on the cross for our sins so that if we believe in Him and trust in Him for salvation that you will go to heaven.
Just curious.
FatSensei
I absolutely believe that.
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RJ! Good to have you back.
[quote]pat wrote:
rainjack wrote:
fatsensei wrote:
… who believes that God created us and his son Jesus came and died on the cross for our sins so that if we believe in Him and trust in Him for salvation that you will go to heaven.
Just curious.
FatSensei
I absolutely believe that.
RJ! Good to have you back.
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8/30/05…
[quote]CoreyK wrote:
jonnyblaze wrote:
CoreyK wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
CoreyK wrote:
Additionally, for me personally the evidence in support for Christianity is overwhelming.
I’d like hear more about this.
you just gotta have faith, lol
That’s the only answer I’ve ever gotten to that question, and frankly, it blows my mind.
Not sure if you’re serious enough about this idea to invest time in reading a couple books but if you ever get to that point in your life where it’s important enough to you, I’d recommend reading “Mere Christianity” by CS Lewis and maybe even “The Life of Christ” by Fulton Sheen. The Lewis book pretty much saved my faith when I had a lot of doubts – it doesn’t PROVE anything and that’s the genius of it. It simply puts forth a very logical argument showing that belief is not an entirely unreasonable/“out-there” proposition.
I would just like to see someone stop referencing and/or dropping faith bombs and tell me ONE legitimate reason to believe that Jesus Christ was divine.
Anyone?
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Why should there be a legitimate reason?
Let’s say you don’t, and God isn’t real. Then you lived your life and you are dead.
Let’s say you don’t, and God is real. Then you lived your life and now you are in hell forever.
Might want to be on the safe side. Plus, if you look around the human mind is one of the greatest accomplishments (things) in the world. Yet, itself cannot create something less than half as simple as itself an eye ball or even minutely as simple like a knee.
What about this? Let’s say you DO, and God is real, but it turns out that people who believe in Christ have it wrong and its a different religious belief system that has it right. For arguments sake say Islam is actually how it is. What happens then?
[quote]Buff HardBack wrote:
What about this? Let’s say you DO, and God is real, but it turns out that people who believe in Christ have it wrong and its a different religious belief system that has it right. For arguments sake say Islam is actually how it is. What happens then?[/quote]
Well you say, ooops sorry, but at least I believed!
And HE says, no way, better to believe in nothing than to make a mockery of me, burn motherfucker, burn!
And all the atheists now know better and live a life of eternal bliss.
THE END
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
Why should there be a legitimate reason?
Let’s say you don’t, and God isn’t real. Then you lived your life and you are dead.
Let’s say you don’t, and God is real. Then you lived your life and now you are in hell forever.
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Let’s say you do, and God isn’t real. Then you’ve wasted your miserable life and you are dead.
I love the whole Pascal’s Wager fallacy, because it presents a false choice. It’s not as if you’re choosing between one god and no god. The reality is that you are choosing among thousands of gods and no god. Go with god #114 instead of god #273, and you are SCREWED and bound for ETERNAL DAMNATION AND HELLFIRE!
[quote]fatsensei wrote:
It seems that there have been alot of discussions on evolution/creation lately and it also seems that the majority of T-Nation leans towards evolution.
I’m not interested in a debate of who’s right or wrong I’m just interested in who believes that God created us and his son Jesus came and died on the cross for our sins so that if we believe in Him and trust in Him for salvation that you will go to heaven.
Just curious.
FatSensei[/quote]
Yes, Christian. However, I don’t subscribe to faith alone.
I believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and he died for my sins and through my belief I will spend eternity in heaven. I also believe that my view is going to get increasingly unpopular as the ultimate end rolls around and I accept that.
Zeb
I lost my faith over the past few years. If God does exist, he has been ignoring all my prayers. If I had a child and he begged me for help, I would most certainly help him in some way or form. I am not an evil person and feel I have been tested enough. This struggle lead me to question what I actually believed in. And this lead me to not take much stake in the idea of a God. If there is a God, he has some explaining to do on why there is so much suffering in the world and why he hasn’t lifted a finger to stop it.
Also, there are simply too many stories in the Bible that seem evil and unjust to me. It’s really not a very moral book if you actually take the time to read it.
So I guess, the most honest answer I (or anyone for that matter) could give is I don’t know as I haven’t died yet.