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I love when people say stuff like this. You’re correct, I don’t spend my days searching through studies on Settles minimum wage… That’s basically what I said, lol.
Let’s look at your excerpt:
The entirety of these gains ($8-$12/week roughly $416-$624/year) accrued to workers with above-median experience.
Less experienced workers saw no significant change to week pay.
25% of the earnings gains are attributed to experienced workers making up for lost hours in Seattle by working outside the city limits.
In short, only experienced workers saw a small increase when the minimum increase from $9.47 to $13/hour (a hike of roughly 137%) and 25% of that increase came from finding work outside the city to make up for lost wages.
At any rate, didn’t Seattle move to $15/hour?
As I said, I believe it’s Berkley that contradicts this study, but that’s an interesting situation in and of itself.
You’ll notice they use phrasing like “similarly experienced” and, again, they are only looking at some factors, the ones most easily quantifiable, they don’t as far as I can tell look at intangible factors, time off with children, differences in personality (like assertiveness), etc…
In short, a pay gap exists, but it’s not mostly or even substantially because of gender prejudice. A lot of it has to do with choices men and women freely make, personal traits, etc… And there is nothing inherently wrong with there being a pay gap anyway.
Actually it says almost exactly what I said. The gap exists, just not as large as has been reported. Or am I missing something?
The second screenshot?
Again, experienced workers earned more money which is good, or at least what I hoped the higherimimum wage would create. This study came out yesterday and is based on the most recent data.
The pay gap link does try to make it as even as possible including taking into account total experience level. It does not take into account personality, which I think we agree is a factor.
Yes, mens wages grow longer than women’s. Women also go into lower paying fields. That does not address the annual income paygap which compares evenly experienced men/women in the same fields.
Maybe I’m just not understanding what you’re saying? Help me out.
Again, 25% of that “more” is because they’ve found a second job outside of the city and it’s not good for less-experienced workers that now have a harder time entering the work force and it’s not good for employers who can’t hire as many people or can’t afford to keep as many people.
Not sure how when Seattle has a $15/minimum and the study (at least the abstract) doesn’t address anything over $13.
I understand that, but it’s only a piece of the puzzle and there are a lot of pieces. The infographic is also a marketing tool for their proprietary MarketMatch™ Algorithm, which they use to make money and, more importantly, all of their data comes from surveys, which I would take with a grain of salt, personal.
Have you seen the chart? Comparing men and women with college degrees one can see that the pay gap grows significantly in the thirties, when college women usually have children.
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75% of that more is from Seattle’s increased wage haha. And the raise is incremental, it takes time to accumulate and analyze the data which is why it looks to only address $13. Next year may bring different news?
I literally clicked the first Google link because all studies will say basically the same thing. I’ve been down this road those haha. I mentioned why. I think the gap exists a few posts up, and it seems like you generally agree?
Agreed. That doesn’t address the paygap when experience/field are equal.
We’re talking about unequal pay between men and women. It’s illegal to discriminate and pay men and women differently for equal work. Equal pay act of 1963.
Sorry, I didn’t know you would be sensitive about it. You’re not insane.
^^^ au·thor·i·tar·i·an :
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
Man, California and Seattle are perfect for you, haha.
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You actually think I literally want the government to force people to take medicine? Do you always miss incredibly obvious metaphors? haha
He’s referring to your use of the word force, as am I.
Edit: Not to mention, you don’t believe in individual freedom. You are authoritarian ,my friend.
If you are in favor of any tax, any regulation or any laws then you’d meet your definition of authoritarian too.
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This is surely a joke. Good one.
I’m not really sure why you’re laughing. Yes, that’s how math works.
The minimum wage goes up 137%, experienced works get an extra $0.15-$0.23/hour (so less than a quarter) raise (assuming they work full-time) while less experienced workers see no increase what-so-ever and now have a harder time finding employment and businesses now have fewer workers at a greater cost to them not to mention the ripple effect it will likely have on their COGS, but I know that silly thing called margin isn’t fun to talk about.
I’m not seeing a lot of great things here…
Mkay…
Yes, the pay gap exists. What I don’t think we agree on, not completely anyway, is a) why it exists b) if it even matters, and c) the level of government involvement in fixing the supposed problem.
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I pay taxes so I don’t go to jail. I’m ok with regulations that don’t interfere with individual liberty. Same with laws. I don’t want the government to use force to make my beliefs come to fruition. You do.