Or you could have successive wars with hundreds of thousands of dead as in former Yugoslavia for the very same reason.
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I agree that is too far. IMO something like the NFLs Rooney Rule is a better way to encourage diversity and opportunity for minority classes. BUT, I also see the benefit to ājump-startingā gender equality in this way, similar to how affirmative action was meant to jump start racial equality in higher education. I think AA has outlived itās use, but I do think it was a good idea and program for itās time.
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That is one of the more libertarian pieces of writing Iāve read in a while haha. Problem with such pure libertarian ideology is that it is, frankly, selfish. As a very smart, athletic, good looking white male in America my personal beliefs lean heavily libertarian and toward a mericratic systemā¦ But I also have a heart and see what happens when people arenāt forced to do the right thing and be charitable (eg taxes, environmental laws, etc). Basically, I see the majority of folks as selfish assholes who need to be forced to do the right thing, because if they arent, they wonāt and society suffers because of it.
I think libertarian ideology makes the most sense theoretically, but I think is is a disaster when put into practice on a large scale. Government is there to force itās citizens to take their medicene so the whole population can stay healthy. What medicene and what dosage is where the GOP and Dems differ.
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Protecting the individual is not just a libertarian principle. Itās what liberalism use to be.
As a very smart, athletic, good looking white male in America as well, my personal beliefs lean pretty libertarian too so my belief is voting for the government to use guns to force others to do what you perceive as good, is immoral and lazy.
When it comes to SJ, if social is supposed to be opposed to an individual, then social justice is by definition unjust. Justice doesnāt need an adjective in front of it. Something is either just or it is unjust.
If you havenāt read, āThe Quest for Cosmic Justiceā by Thomas Sowell, I would highly recommend itā¦ About the book via Amazon: This book is about the great moral issues underlying many of the headline-making political controversies of our times. It is not a comforting book but a book about disturbing and dangerous trends. The Quest for Cosmic Justice shows how confused conceptions of justice end up promoting injustice, how confused conceptions of equality end up promoting inequality, and how the tyranny of social visions prevents many people from confronting the actual consequences of their own beliefs and policies. Those consequences include the steady and dangerous erosion of fundamental principles of freedom ā amounting to a quiet repeal of the American revolution.
The Quest for Cosmic Justice is the summation of a lifetime of study and thought about where we as a society are headed ā and why we need to change course before we do irretrievable damage.
Example, gender wage gap myth. A man gets paid more than a woman at a certain job but SJWās want them to get equal pay, regardless of any other circumstances, (man may work longer hours, have more experience etc.) Now, if SJWās had their way, they would receive equal pay but that extra money has to come from somewhere, correct? So, in order for the company to come up with the extra money to pay this woman, they have to let someone at a lower position go. Is that justice because the man and woman now receive equal pay? You shit on the individual for the sake of equality of outcome. Thatās how social justice works.
Equal pay for equal work is the rallying cry, not equal pay for inequal work. The shittiest person at the lower level would be let go to afford closing that sexist wage gap. I donāt see anything wrong with that. Do you?
I donāt think the alt right speaks for conservatives. Please do not misconstrue the crazy progressive left for liberals. The good ideas are somewhere in the middle.
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That was just one example and if that is the rallying cry, they are wasting their time. Itās already a law. And yes, I do have a problem with it in my scenario. You seemed to cherry pick my one example and ignored the rest of my post.
What you donāt understand is that the progressive left IS the left now and the crazy ideas that come with it. SJWās want equal outcome. Feel free to give me examples that disagree with that premise. Itās easy to just move the conversation by saying, āwell, they arenāt REALLY liberals!ā Yes, yes they are. That is the party now.
You want what you perceive as good to be done at gun point. I do not. You believe in intersectionality. I believe in the individual. Your ideas are anything but libertarian. They arenāt even classical liberal. They are authoritarian left.
Perhaps this is semantics, but I wouldnāt consider a legal mandate requiring some board members be women as jump starting gender equality and I certainly donāt see any benefit in forcing outcomes via coercion.
I also donāt think we even need to jump start gender equality of opportunity anyway.
My main issue with this philosophy is that what I believe is āthe right thingā is not even remotely universal and I wouldnāt presume to force people to be charitable via coercion. Nor do I believe the government has any right to claim she know what is right based on a pretty long track record of doing just the opposite.
The main issue with this line of thinking is that it does not take into consideration a plethora of factors, of which there are many, that create the wage gap. Women tend to voluntarily choose to work in fields that are less lucrative (nursing vs. engineering), women tend to be less assertive (contract/pay negotiations), women tend to stay at home with children more often than men leading to less experience in a given field, etcā¦ That isnāt to say prejudice canāt be or isnāt also a factor. It can be and is.
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Well, I live in Seattle, my live in GF is an environmental lawyer, and all of her friends are involved in social, political, or environmental work at the local and federal levels. Iād say I do have a pretty good grasp of the SJW contingent, and the overwhelming majority, including the policy setters are not what you say. But sane, calm discussion and protest doesnāt make for good news ratings. Do I seem sane? Because I could easily be described as a crazy liberal SJW from Seattle.
Cherry pick? I responded to the only example you gave lol. Sane SJW policy examples: minimum wage hike (look at how well itās actually doing in Seattle, most recent studies), govt enforced affordable housing as part of every new large housing development, gay marriage benefits, etc.
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? Everything I have seen has shown the minimum wage hike has hurt Seattle.
*I think Berkeley did a study at the mayors request that didnāt and thatās it.
Iāll address the pay gap only, b/c of time. Women get paid less at the same experience level, for the same work. That is a fact, and that is the comparison that should be looked at. The pay gap in this scenario is much smaller than the overall pay gap, but there is still a pay gap. I believe this gap has to do with two things:
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women are generally not as assertive as men and are more risk adverse which leads to them not asking/leveraging for raises.
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employers know they can pay women less and get away with it because itās the norm. Women have to , and are, starting to demand equal pay and not accept the sexist norm.
Iām not sure why you seem to be against women demanding equal pay for equal work. If you think this is already the case, shouldnāt you be agreeing?
No, you want to use the government as a weapon against me and you believe in the mythical wage gap.
Read again. You cherry picked that one part of my post and ignored the rest. . Show me facts on how raising the minimum wage is a good thing. Who is it good for? Does it affect anyone else? Iāll give you gay marriage.
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Havenāt been looking then: Minimum Wage Increases and Individual Employment Trajectories | NBER
Basically, entry level workers are seeing the least benefit, experienced the most. Itās dllowing a janitor to live of his/her wage.
If you think itās systemic, you would be wrong. Individual cases? Sure, though itās already illegal and they could get in huge trouble.
Why not hire all women to save money?
Wait, do you think I am insane, yet are spending your day arguing with me? Do you often enjoy arguing with insane people? Lol
Do you have any proof to back that claim?
I would be very interested to see data of men and women with the same experience level that do the same work.
I have no idea how you came to this conclusionā¦
Women should be paid what the market dictates, but they should also push the market to pay them what theyāre worth. Same as men.
The problem is trying to quantify the āsame experience levelā and the āsame workā. You have to make a lot of assumptions and Iām not a fan of assumption when it comes to creating laws/policies that require private business to act in a certain way.
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Not insane but you have some authoritarian ideas that need to be addressed.
Not illegal to pay two employees at same level and experience different wage. Donāt know where you got that.
You donāt hire all women because A) they would have leverage to be paid well, and B) a company cannot sacrifice talent just to pay the workforce less. There is a point of diminishing returns.
Whyād you call me insane? People need to chill with the bombastic labeling because just like what happened here, you start to believe it even if it wasnāt meant seriously at the beginning.
Also, what authoritarian ideas have I expressed? Specifically in policy and implementation.
A quick Google: Do Men Really Earn More Than Women? - Infographic - PayScale
Iām sure you can quickly Google other ones as well.