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[quote]CC wrote:
Now you’re just putting words into my mouth. When the hell did I say not enough white people make fun of black people? That’s right, I didn’t. Nice straw-man you’ve built there, though.

My point, since you can’t see to understand it from my last two posts and I have to spell it out for you, is that if white comedians made fun of black people on a larger scale, as in guys like Jerry Seinfeld, George Carlin, and Jeff Foxworthy (I don’t even necessarily like all of these guys, I’m just using examples of well-known white comedians) were on HBO starting off bits with “You know what’s funny about black people…”, they would be exocommunicated, figuratively speaking, by both blacks and whites and rightly so.

So why is it okay for black comedians to make fun of whites? Why is it okay for hispanic comedians to make fun of blacks? Why is it okay for white comedians to make fun of hispanics?

The point is that I don’t think any comedian, whatever the color of his skin, should have to rely on racial sterotypes and broad impersonations to get laughs. And I don’t understand why some people accept that as “okay”.

There’s my “fucking point”, as you like to say it.[/quote]

There was no strawman presented here. It is all about delivery. I don’t find Seinfeld or Foxworthy funny AT ALL. That doesn’t mean that no comedian can tell jokes about black people because there are white comedians who do. It isn’t a strawman to point out to you that DELIVERY is the key here, not just who is saying it. If Foxworthy has an audience that is largely white to begin with, and if Foxworthy isn’t even viewed as funny by most people of a certain ethnic background, obviously he probably wouldn’t get away with saying something racially biased against the very people he never connected with to begin with.

Further, you say no comedian should have to rely on racial stereotypes to get laughs…and you USE FUCKING FOXWORTHY WHOSE ENTIRE ROUTINE IS NOTHING BUT RACIAL STEREOTYPES ABOUT “REDNECKS”. Most comedians who have an audience composed of all racial groups in majority make fun of EVERYONE. Chris Rock makes fun of EVERYONE. The comedians you listed have a majority white audience. Obviously, them telling blatant jokes about blacks probably wouldn’t go over well because they alienate that very segment of the population as far as audience due to their style of delivery.

That means YOU HAVE NO POINT. White people do tell jokes about black people. If they have a style of delivery that is funny to more blacks, blacks will find them funny regardless of them being white.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
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Yes, there was a straw-man presented. You made up an argument that was completely irrlevant to my original statements and then attacked it.

You’re Foxworthy retort is invalid in the context of this conversation. He makes fun of rednecks because is perceived as being one. It says nothing of a person from one stereotype making fun of another. Way to completely miss the point, though.

But I’m tired of of you. Yes, I do have a point. I don’t think whites, blacks or anybody should make fun of other stereotypes onstage, especially considering the history of racial tensions in this country (call me PC, but that’s just how I feel when it comes to this issue). You just don’t agree with it and keep turning it into some argument about “audience” and “delivery”. Get over it.

/conversation

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[quote]CC wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Yes, there was a straw-man presented. You made up an argument that was completely irrlevant to my original statements and then attacked it.

You’re Foxworthy retort is invalid in the context of this conversation. He makes fun of rednecks because is perceived as being one. It says nothing of a person from one stereotype making fun of another. Way to completely miss the point, though.

But I’m tired of of you. Yes, I do have a point. I don’t think whites, blacks or anybody should make fun of other stereotypes onstage, especially considering the history of racial tensions in this country (call me PC, but that’s just how I feel when it comes to this issue). You just don’t agree with it and keep turning it into some argument about “audience” and “delivery”. Get over it.

/conversation

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Gee, because it is about audience and delivery. If white comedians ARE getting away with jokes about blacks, you have no argument. I could care less about it happening on a larger scale. If those jokes from black comedians weren’t funny at all, they would have a very short career. Comedians don’t last if they aren’t funny so what is the issue? If some white comedian made a racial joke that wasn’t funny, you want people to laugh anyway? What you keep calling a strawman (because you have no other argument now) is the logical conclusion if you are complaining about it not happening on a larger scale.

As far as your amazing PC stance that comedians shouldn’t make fun of other people…what the hell should they do on stage now? How funny is the guy who never says anything that isn’t PC?

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Technically yes, in actuality in the South no.

In my argument, yes, I do believe that it is the only thing I should have phrased different and in no way did I downplay anything. But I do agree that in general, the siginficance is often downplayed.

I still think there is a sharp distinction between the North and South during this time that is missing from this picture. I am not saying things were easy in the Northern cities prior the 1960’s. I am not saying people always voted freely in the North and treatment was so much better than in the South but historically, there is a distinct difference.

Before intimidation even comes into play. To support your argument(taken from my thesis on the black political voting shift from the Republican to Democratic Party in the 1930’s):

Despite the different interpretations on disfranchisement, the fact remained that by 1908, almost every state in the South had a poll tax, a white primary and a literacy test. These measures were extremely effective. For example, the number of registered black voters in Louisiana dropped from 130,000 in 1896 to 1,300 in 1904. Both major parties complained that disfranchisement was unconstitutional but did nothing. As a result, ?all but a tiny percentage of the Negroes [stayed away] from the polls in the Southern states for nearly half a century.?

C. Vann Woodward, The Strange Career of Jim Crow (New York: Oxford University Press, 1974), 141.

To support my argument that blacks did vote (in the Northern cities prior to 1965:

Table VI
Potential Electorate and Voter Turnout in Black Districts,
1932-1940

One example (I tried to paste the table but would not work):

In Chicago: The population numbers of blacks 21 and over in 1930 and 1940 respectively were 142,545 and 159,131. Black voter turnout in Chicago during that time period is 87,137 in 1930, 106,838 in 1936 and 109,433 in 1940.

In NY, Cleveland, and Detroit there were similar turnouts percentage wise but in smaller numbers since the number of blacks in those cities at that time was lower than in Chicago.

I did not join this board to talk politics and history but I could not help it.

Prof or others, If you are interested in this kind of stuff and black political voting tendencies etc, I would gladly send you a copy of my paper.

Best,
A

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:

That’s not the only thing. I am amazed at how some people downplay the significance of the way blacks were treated. That is why Acts needed to be passed and why the Civil Rights movement was needed. Blacks weren’t freed one day and accepted into society the next. They were freed on paper and had to fight for over 100 years to be accepted as equal. To act as if that isn’t so significant as to spill over into our current society in some way is ridiculous. If blacks had to risk being killed just to vote, did they really have the right?[/quote]

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[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
To support my argument that blacks did vote (in the Northern cities prior to 1965:

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But no one is arguing that no blacks in the country could vote before 1965. Black Americans aren’t exactly easily beaten. Some people were going to hit those polls no matter what obstacles were there. It is because of people like this that it didn’t take more time than it did for the Civil Rights movement to take effect. Every one of them that risked whatever they did to vote deserve applause. Above all, however, no one should pretend as if they didn’t have to literally fight for it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
CC wrote:

On a related note, something I’ve always found a bit odd is how every black stand-up comedian finds a way to work “white people” into their routine. As a huge fan of stand-up comedy, I’ve often wondered why this is considered “okay”.

I saw a white stand up comedian on BET do an entire bit on black people and Kool, Aid. The entire audience laughed. Your stereotypes are irritating.[/quote]

As are yours.

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Exactly…white Americans are held to a higher standard…(whites in general are…)…Look at the genocide going on in the Sudan (Arabs killing Black Africans)…if that were regular white folks killing Black Sudanese, you’d see protests at every friggin’ liberal-filled university in the country…but since it ain’t white folks doing the killing…then it ain’t so bad.

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Hey Prof X, no disrespect, but everything you’ve seem to have said, seems as though you argue for arguments’ sake. You’re attacking opinion, and the subject matter with which you state your arguments seem like pointless banter. If at least you’re going to argue something, do your research before you call someone out. Re read what’s being written, and what you write, and perhaps you’ll make more sense.

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[quote]Ohhhh01 wrote:
Hey Prof X, no disrespect, but everything you’ve seem to have said, seems as though you argue for arguments’ sake. You’re attacking opinion, and the subject matter with which you state your arguments seem like pointless banter. If at least you’re going to argue something, do your research before you call someone out. Re read what’s being written, and what you write, and perhaps you’ll make more sense. [/quote]

The fact that white comedians tell jokes about black people on BET is “opinion”? The fact that blacks couldn’t just freely vote without hassle before 1965 is “opinion”? Maybe you can make more sense and explain how this is opinion.

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Buddy, let go of the past, at this point who fucking cares. they had a tough time, thats agreed upon. but does that make YOUR life harder? only if you make it…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ohhhh01 wrote:
Hey Prof X, no disrespect, but everything you’ve seem to have said, seems as though you argue for arguments’ sake. You’re attacking opinion, and the subject matter with which you state your arguments seem like pointless banter. If at least you’re going to argue something, do your research before you call someone out. Re read what’s being written, and what you write, and perhaps you’ll make more sense.

The fact that white comedians tell jokes about black people on BET is “opinion”? The fact that blacks couldn’t just freely vote without hassle before 1965 is “opinion”? Maybe you can make more sense and explain how this is opinion.[/quote]

I think the point should be made that we are all just too damn sensitive about race. Take my Bro Carlos Mencia. He is a Latin comedian who makes fun of every race there is including his own. So it is not accurate to say that only blacks make fun of whites. It is done on all sides.

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[quote]Jordan Bell wrote:
Exactly…white Americans are held to a higher standard…(whites in general are…)…Look at the genocide going on in the Sudan (Arabs killing Black Africans)…if that were regular white folks killing Black Sudanese, you’d see protests at every friggin’ liberal-filled university in the country…but since it ain’t white folks doing the killing…then it ain’t so bad. [/quote]

Any one committing genocide on anyway is fucking bad. Damn Arabs…that’s right, I said it.

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You guys know Jesus was black right?? Hair of wool and the dark skin…

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Can’t we all just get along?

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Think of it this way. I am from Holland which was occupied from 1939 -1945 by Nazi Germany. My grandparants had to hand dig tulip bulbs out of the frozen ground b/c they were starving. Many people were killed viciously including some family of mine I never knew obviously. I am not comparing this to the black/white history in the US but my point is that not all Germans in the 1940’s were Nazis as not all whites in US history were racists.

OK. But the majority of Germans were Nazis, or at least thought that they would help the country. As I recall there were no uprisings in the streets of Hamburg or Berlin about how the Nazis were killing all the innocent Jews.

America has long been the same way. Not everyone walked around with a noose saying, “I’m gonna hang me a nigger”. However, when Medgar Evers got shot, there were no riots by the whites. When Nat Turner rebelled, whites did not join him. The 54th Massachusetts was not the pride and joy of the Union- in fact, they had to make a movie about it to make anyone know about besides us hardcore Civil War guys.

It’s not outright racism- it’s complacency in the face of racism, and letting things like that go. Apathy towards it is as bad as doing the act.

I will be the first one to admit that I hate fucking Nazis and the mere sight of a Swastika makes me blood boil. Does that give me the right to start calling young German guys today deragatory terms just b/c of what his forefathers did to mine? I dont think so.

That was a specific time in history, not a continuing theme in the history of your nation. If it is, and I’m not aware of it…well yea, I’d be pissed too. Maybe pissed off enough to hear German being spoken at a bar and make a couple remarks about it…and this is how the shit starts.

I automatically am not a big fan of Germans b/c of our history, our soccer rivalry and the fact that my home town Den Helder gets overrun every fucking summer by Germans who dont have a beach of their own and act like they still occupy us. We have to speak German when they come to our country but we have to speak German when we come theirs? Fuck that. Do I therefore call some kid a Schweinhund b/c he acts like he is better than me when he comes to my country? You fucking right. Do I beat the shit out of him if he disagrees? You fucking right.

But do I expect that same kid to roll over and play dead when I call him that if he has done nothing to me other than being German, I dont think so.

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Valid points. And you’ve got some anger as far as race relations too. This is what I’m saying. If you’ve got a head on your shoulders, you avoid the conflict. A lot of folks don’t.

If you throw in some extreme poverty in the ghettos, mix in some crooked cops, and toss in a corrupt government in a major city…BANG.

It’s a time bomb.[/quote]

The germans could not revolt because of the the fact that the SA and later the SS put down all resistance to the nazi party, quickly and deadly. Hitler assured total control of Germany by destroying internal reistance. Jews weren’t the only ones targeted, disabled, homosexuals, the feeble, you get the idea.
Secondly, how many people stand up and question their country, or just blindly do what their country asks them to out of patriotism.
Third, if you dont mind me saying so, you didn’t see a lot of jews fighting back. with all do respect, a trigger can be pulled by someone of any race, and a club can be swung by anyone as well. What the nazis did was wrong, but the people they did it to didn’t stand up for them selves. Neville Chamberlain appeased hitler for several years before Churchill put up a fight.

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Something I did think was funny that Jeff Foxworthy said on one of his shows:

“I got friends that are racist, but I use it against them. Whenever we play monopoly, instead of using the thimble or the shoe, I just carve a little black family out of wood. Whenever I land on one of their properties, they just move”
I thought that was funny.

Racism works both ways, I did not get into Marine ROTC. I had a 31 on my ACT, I passed all the physical tests with flying colors, had a 98 on my asvab, and even had a letter of reccomendation from a state senator. I understand that didn’t neccessarily gaurentee me a spot inmarine rotc, but it was pretty good chance I thought. Before I even sent in the packet, my recruiter told me that I would not get in because I was not black or female-his exact words. after I was turned down,his CO, a captain, told me right up front I didn’t get in because I was a minority.

I am actually glad I wasn’t selected for ROTC, but I still think that racism works both ways.

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[quote]WolBarret wrote:
You guys know Jesus was black right?? Hair of wool and the dark skin…[/quote]

I don’t think the Bible ever flat out said he was black. It also said he had “feet of bronze” did it not? And black people aren’t the only race\type of people that have “hair of wool.”

For all we know he could’ve been Arab or something similar, ethnically speaking.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Ohhhh01 wrote:
Hey Prof X, no disrespect, but everything you’ve seem to have said, seems as though you argue for arguments’ sake. You’re attacking opinion, and the subject matter with which you state your arguments seem like pointless banter. If at least you’re going to argue something, do your research before you call someone out. Re read what’s being written, and what you write, and perhaps you’ll make more sense.

The fact that white comedians tell jokes about black people on BET is “opinion”? The fact that blacks couldn’t just freely vote without hassle before 1965 is “opinion”? Maybe you can make more sense and explain how this is opinion.[/quote]

Okay, I admit I was incorrect to assume, (regarding the thread), but after actually reading the thread, as opposed to skimming, I still find myself comming to the conclusion that, while you do have valid points, and my use of the word “opinion” was entirely way off, my point still stands.

It still seems as though you inject points where they don’t belong. If you actually read some of the posts, you’ll notice that it’s more about “the deliverance” than the factual evidence supporting the statements. There’s a whole message there that you’re missing because you feel a need to correct everyone. Or maybe you don’t miss the message, and you just like instigating arguments.

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[quote]En Sabah Nur wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
You guys know Jesus was black right?? Hair of wool and the dark skin…

I don’t think the Bible ever flat out said he was black. It also said he had “feet of bronze” did it not? And black people aren’t the only race\type of people that have “hair of wool.”

For all we know he could’ve been Arab or something similar, ethnically speaking.
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Apocalypse is black too, just to let you know. Read my brother, read.

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why do these threads always seem to pop up?

is it because you just wanna stir up tension between the members of this site? because thats the only logical explanation i can think of. if you guys REALLY wanted to know the answers to you dumb questions, you would ask it on a board where the members were mostly black… right?