Now i have a question from reading all this.I have been taking Grow! Whey and just orderded another one and have been taking 2 scoops 2 times a day.Should i subsitute I shake for something else like Metabolic Drive or is Grow! Whey good enough.
I just recently (this week actually) began using MD Complete after relying on GNC whey mixed with peanut butter and milk for the longest time. I really like this stuff. It’s a complete meal.
But I use the whole Biotest line - Rez-V, Flameout, MD Complete, BCAA’s, Spike, ZMA and Surge. I dont know , but I feel like a million dollars ever since I’ve put all this stuff together and Im clean right now which is what kills me!
I only feel this good and jacked while on.
…feelin’ gooooooooooood…
Amir
[quote]horsepuss wrote:
Now i have a question from reading all this.I have been taking Grow! Whey and just orderded another one and have been taking 2 scoops 2 times a day.Should i subsitute I shake for something else like Metabolic Drive or is Grow! Whey good enough.[/quote]
Horsepuss, what you are doing is fine and will elicit gains provided your overall nutrition and training are in order. Metabolic Drive is the best blend of the proteins we have been discussing also including fractionated rice oligodextrin for a quality carbohydrate source.
If finances are tight I would recommend using Grow! Whey predominantly for your shakes thru the day and using Metabolic Drive for your breakfast shake. That is how I use it with added vegetables and fruit. If finances only allow for Grow! that is still fine it’s just not the blend of proteins Metabolic Drive is.
One last thing on the isolates. I remember when they first became big back in the mid nineties and I myself used Isopure whey at that time thinking like Make it rain surmises that it was superior to other proteins.
After much reading and research I found that it has it’s place specifically post workout when fast assimilation is desired. However, as alluded to before it is process much to fast in the body to be optimum any other time of the day when you want a moderate to slow amino acid release to stay anabolic and ward off being catabolic.
D
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
One last thing on the isolates. I remember when they first became big back in the mid nineties and I myself used Isopure whey at that time thinking like Make it rain surmises that it was superior to other proteins.
After much reading and research I found that it has it’s place specifically post workout when fast assimilation is desired. However, as alluded to before it is process much to fast in the body to be optimum any other time of the day when you want a moderate to slow amino acid release to stay anabolic and ward off being catabolic.
D[/quote]
Isolate isn’t digested any quicker than concentrate. Isolate simply has less carbs, fats and ash then Concentrate. Isolate has more protein per volume than concentrate. Isolate, at a minimum, is 90% protein. Concentrate has no magical powers, and is a substandard lower quality product than isolate.
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Some people make me laugh. You COULD actually not even use a protein powder…somehow people used to do this way back when.
If one has the money for better quality, then go for it. But the OP seems to be short on cash…sooooo he can have no protein or lower-quality one.
As a side note, the 5* protein from walmart tasted terrible…but, at the time, it was better than nothing.[/quote]
If someone was hurting financially and sooo destitute they had to trap and eat rats at the city dump for their protein, I wouldn’t fault them for it. However, if one asks me about quality I will direct them to a quality source.
D
[quote]coloradosteve wrote:
Dedicated wrote:
One last thing on the isolates. I remember when they first became big back in the mid nineties and I myself used Isopure whey at that time thinking like Make it rain surmises that it was superior to other proteins.
After much reading and research I found that it has it’s place specifically post workout when fast assimilation is desired. However, as alluded to before it is process much to fast in the body to be optimum any other time of the day when you want a moderate to slow amino acid release to stay anabolic and ward off being catabolic.
D
Isolate isn’t digested any quicker than concentrate. Isolate simply has less carbs, fats and ash then Concentrate. Isolate has more protein per volume than concentrate. Isolate, at a minimum, is 90% protein. Concentrate has no magical powers, and is a substandard lower quality product than isolate.
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No, not true, it really does have magical powers. You are correct about the less carbs and fats but IMO they are so close it’s not going to make a big difference and doesn’t give isolates any magical powers either. In the end it boils down to preferance and you know where mine is.
Take care,
D
I have a question that pertains to this topic. I have not found the the answer anywhere else. I am currently trying to bulk. 29yrs/5’10"/165 and following CW’s workouts.
I have been taking Metabolic Drive and adding either fats or carbs to it depending on needs. Would it be better to get Grow! for daily shakes (add in whats needed) and and Surge for PWO shakes? Metabolic Drive doesnt last too long when taking in an average 3 shakes a day. Any input would be appreciated.
[quote]spunout wrote:
I have a question that pertains to this topic. I have not found the the answer anywhere else. I am currently trying to bulk. 29yrs/5’10"/165 and following CW’s workouts.
I have been taking Metabolic Drive and adding either fats or carbs to it depending on needs. Would it be better to get Grow! for daily shakes (add in whats needed) and and Surge for PWO shakes? Metabolic Drive doesnt last too long when taking in an average 3 shakes a day. Any input would be appreciated.[/quote]
If there are financial constraints what you have proposed is fine. Use Grow! for your shakes and as you said add any caloried boosting additives you want. Surge for PWO is ideal.
D
If financial constraints were not an issue would you approach this any different?
[quote]spunout wrote:
If there are financial constraints what you have proposed is fine. Use Grow! for your shakes and as you said add any caloried boosting additives you want. Surge for PWO is ideal.
D
If financial constraints were not an issue would you approach this any different?[/quote]
Not an issue for me and I use Metabolic Complete predominantly and sometimes the low-carb version. I have ordered Grow! Whey and used a scoop here and there in different shake concoctions I throw together.
D
Thanks for the input!
No matter the quality, protein is never a substitute for
water
sleep
actually lifting weights
food
In my experience the Biotest powders are tasty and good quality.
Try everything once. Keep buying what works.
Make1tRain,
I agree completely with you on the isolate/concentrate issue, if you’re going to do whey alone, then isolate is better (higher quality at least).
I was pointing out that whether or not the powder in question has casein (which is a completely different protein, and provides a longer-lasting, more steady release of amino acids) is more important than what type of whey is being used.
Unless you can’t afford not to, you shouldn’t be consuming just whey as your staple protein powder.
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
The isolates are void (almost) of the fat and sugars found in concentrate. I prefer to have higher levels of WPI’s mainly for that reason.
As I said before whey isolates are great post workout and indeed offer a higher concentration of protein that will be utilized and depleted much faster which again post workout is ideal.
However, in the ion exchange process the components that offer the greatest health components are greatly depleted. Protein content is indeed increased but most of the important sub-fractions are either greatly reduced or lost.
IMO a blend of both heavier on the concentrate and micellar casein is what’s desired 90% of the time.
D
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That is if the protein is manufactured using the ion exchange process. What if the protein isolate is made by filtration? What magical substance is lost in either ion exchange or cross-flow microfiltration.
[quote]coloradosteve wrote:
That is if the protein is manufactured using the ion exchange process. What if the protein isolate is made by filtration? What magical substance is lost in either ion exchange or cross-flow microfiltration. [/quote]
"Whey protein isolate is the highest yield of protein currently available that comes from milk. Because of its chemical properties it is the easiest to absorb into your system. Obviously with its high concentration, it appears that an isolate protein would be the obvious choice instead of a concentrate.
However, this is an individual decision because the isolate is more expensive, and just because it is purer does not guarantee that it will help build bigger muscles. Its extra concentration may not justify its extra cost."
The above borrowed statement I agree with whatever type of process the isolates are derived from. It seems we are splitting hairs here. I agree with you that your example is the purest most bio available protein available.
In my view however I don’t believe it’s going to be that great of an advantage in muscle building over a blend. I could be wrong, but will continue to use Metabolic Drive for my needs.
Take care,
D
[quote]Dedicated wrote:
If finances are tight I would recommend using Grow! Whey predominantly for your shakes thru the day and using Metabolic Drive for your breakfast shake. That is how I use it with added vegetables and fruit. If finances only allow for Grow! that is still fine it’s just not the blend of proteins Metabolic Drive is.
D[/quote]
So, if money is no issue, would you suggest I buy:
1 Metabolic Drive (breakfast)
1 Grow! Whey (how many throughout the day)
1 ZMA
1 BCAAs
1 Tribulus
I’m thinking of purchasing these to supplement my workout routine. I usually get up in the morning at 5:30, eat breakfast, go workout from 6:15 til I’m done, drink a shake, go pig out, then get my day going.
I usually eat a can of tuna for breakfast. It’s not the best, but I can handle it. Tuna really isn’t what I wanna eat first thing. My buddy suggested the ZMA and Tribulus…he is taking Tribulus and loves it. So, does that look ok?