Which Bodypart Do You 'Get'?

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[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]lemony2j wrote:
Shoulders used to be the muscle group I least ‘got’, now it is one of the ones I ‘get’ the most thanks to, you guessed it, JM
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lol, does anyone NOT use Meadows shoulder training?[/quote]

Meadows shoulder stuff is where it’s at.

It has really helped my shoulder growth a lot! The difference in these pics is maybe 3 months? Definite shoulder growth IMO

EDIT: I guess it’s kind of hard to tell from the comparison shot once I put it side by side, oh well.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]lemony2j wrote:
Shoulders used to be the muscle group I least ‘got’, now it is one of the ones I ‘get’ the most thanks to, you guessed it, JM
[/quote]

lol, does anyone NOT use Meadows shoulder training?[/quote]

Meadows shoulder stuff is where it’s at.

It has really helped my shoulder growth a lot! The difference in these pics is maybe 3 months? Definite shoulder growth IMO

EDIT: I guess it’s kind of hard to tell from the comparison shot once I put it side by side, oh well.[/quote]

Pretty dam good…
mind if I ask what was your routine was before and what you changed it to?
dont tell me you took military press/OHP out of your routine.

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My 2012 “Do You ‘Get’?” are about techniques.
Please stop reading if you feel it is off topic.
I injured my dominant shoulder training by the book. The recent article about tall/long limbs said what i discovered. Full ROM for someone very flexible with long limbs is not safe.

My what i ‘Get’ are:

  • Neutral grip is my friend, i only use a bar for deadlifts
  • High Frequency works, i mean 4-6, even 7 days weekly(same mouvement). I tested it to catch up on my upper body that was lagging due to needed rest and i added exercises i do HF.
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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]lemony2j wrote:
Shoulders used to be the muscle group I least ‘got’, now it is one of the ones I ‘get’ the most thanks to, you guessed it, JM
[/quote]

lol, does anyone NOT use Meadows shoulder training?[/quote]

Meadows shoulder stuff is where it’s at.

It has really helped my shoulder growth a lot! The difference in these pics is maybe 3 months? Definite shoulder growth IMO

EDIT: I guess it’s kind of hard to tell from the comparison shot once I put it side by side, oh well.[/quote]

you can definitely tell, arms look a bit bigger too. Not bad going for 3 months!

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[quote]Cron391 wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]rds63799 wrote:

[quote]lemony2j wrote:
Shoulders used to be the muscle group I least ‘got’, now it is one of the ones I ‘get’ the most thanks to, you guessed it, JM
[/quote]

lol, does anyone NOT use Meadows shoulder training?[/quote]

Meadows shoulder stuff is where it’s at.

It has really helped my shoulder growth a lot! The difference in these pics is maybe 3 months? Definite shoulder growth IMO

EDIT: I guess it’s kind of hard to tell from the comparison shot once I put it side by side, oh well.[/quote]

Pretty dam good…
mind if I ask what was your routine was before and what you changed it to?
dont tell me you took military press/OHP out of your routine.
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I wrote up a long post but T Nation ate it. Lame.

My old routine was your typical shoulder day: DB Press, Smith Machine Press, DB/Cable laterals, reverse peck deck, upright rows etc. etc. etc.

I switched up to MD style training and I actually hit shoulders twice a week, once after chest and then in their own day.

Shoulders after chest:
Heavy partial laterals 3 x 25-35
Rear Delt Destroyer 1 set

Shoulders Day:
Warm up (bands, floor slides, YTWL’S)
Heavy Partial Laterals/Swings 3 x 25-35
Rear Peck Deck 3 x 25 with exaggerated ROM
6 Ways 3-4 sets of 10-12
Rear Delt Destroyer 2 sets
(I get a lot of front deltoid stimulation from my incline pressing)

That’s a pretty standard shoulder day.

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yeah i’ve also always gotten back, i can seem to smash 7 or 8 exercises and still want to do more, all with high intensity and ridiculous heavy weight (compared to everything else)

but i’ve just never got shoulders, lately ive been adding more volume as i tried low volume and it was horrible, i’ve also completely cut any front delt isolation as ive realized my shoulders are very front heavy, mainly focusing on rear/side raises now with some heavy presses and trap work.

Also with the people who have trouble getting their lats to grow try dropping the weight and really squeezing, helped for a mate of mine dramatically.

Has anyone got any advice for shoulder pressing strength? for some reason mine seems to be ridiculously low, i can manage to flat benchpress 100kg for 6 reps but cant even military press 60kg for 5 reps, or dumbbell press 30kg dumbbells for 6? any help?

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I “get” the upper legs. My quads, glutes, and hamstrings blow up easily. Back squats and deadlifts alone do the job. Throw in some single leg work and I’ll give Serena a run for her money.

I don’t seem to “get” arms. I guess everything else is somewhere in between.

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Legs have always come easy to me, but I think that’s because I made them a priority early on. Back Thickness as well, though width is catching up. And even when ‘fatter’, I almost always have a solid defined 4-pack. Pretty thick abs genetically.

Chest sucks, more so because of the genetic shape and insertions though. Triceps suck because the only thing I can ever get pump from is simple pushdowns and things. Dips and CGBP both feel like a mostly delt lift for me unless concentrating on super strict form, to the point where it’s distracting. Tri’s are the last BP that I really haven’t found the 1-2 movements that REALLY hammer them.

Will be giving PJR’s and CG Floor Press a try this coming week.

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Legs have always come easy to me, but I think that’s because I made them a priority early on. Back Thickness as well, though width is catching up. And even when ‘fatter’, I almost always have a solid defined 4-pack. Pretty thick abs genetically.

Chest sucks, more so because of the genetic shape and insertions though. Triceps suck because the only thing I can ever get pump from is simple pushdowns and things. Dips and CGBP both feel like a mostly delt lift for me unless concentrating on super strict form, to the point where it’s distracting. Tri’s are the last BP that I really haven’t found the 1-2 movements that REALLY hammer them.

Will be giving PJR’s and CG Floor Press a try this coming week. [/quote]

Try DB kickbacks with maybe 15-20lbs. Flex your arm the entire time and squeeze your tricep as hard as you can at the end of the movement.

I guarantee you’ll get a nasty pump in your triceps and maybe that will help with your MMC. It works for me and I’m only 5’2" so I imagine with your long arms it might work even better. Just a thought. :slight_smile:

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:

Will be giving PJR’s and CG Floor Press a try this coming week. [/quote]

Was having issue with Tri’s too. Floor Press complete deadstop at bottom (2s) but don’t release the tension and lying tri extensions on the floor, again with a dead stop behind the head helped me tone up the tris in Dec.

Something about deadstops, idk…worth a try.

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Legs have always come easy to me, but I think that’s because I made them a priority early on. Back Thickness as well, though width is catching up. And even when ‘fatter’, I almost always have a solid defined 4-pack. Pretty thick abs genetically.

Chest sucks, more so because of the genetic shape and insertions though. Triceps suck because the only thing I can ever get pump from is simple pushdowns and things. Dips and CGBP both feel like a mostly delt lift for me unless concentrating on super strict form, to the point where it’s distracting. Tri’s are the last BP that I really haven’t found the 1-2 movements that REALLY hammer them.

Will be giving PJR’s and CG Floor Press a try this coming week. [/quote]
my advice for tris is dont waste time with CGBP and Dips if they arent working for you…I like pushdowns, the seated dip machine and incline ez bar extensions–find what works–cgbp is over rated in my mind–but some people get them to work ie Frank Mcgrath

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Thanks everyone.

KK- I’ve tried kickbacks, and they feel a bit awkward. I may do a few light sets before pressing though, to at least get the MMC built better.

I’ll try some of these out. Like glograves said, deadstop seems to help with triceps for me, but for some reason I started drifting away from them in favor of ‘BB’ing’ stuff.

GrindOverMatter: Yeah, I’ve been trying to choose lifts that allow some progression, seeing as I’m doing Big Beyond Belief (which you’re familiar with). So that’s why I tried to make CGBP work, but it just doesn’t. EZ Bar extensions or PJR’s I’ll definitely try, and I LOVE HS Dip machines, though my school gym doesn’t have one.

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my chest takes over everything, my shoulders suck, if I do a bunch of military presses my chest gets pumped, I gave up on shoulder day, and stated ending every workout with latterals (5x15-20). After back I’d do front lateral, and after chest I’d do rear latterals, and side laterals after legs, stoped all over head pressing, I caught a lot of flack, because we train PL, but after a year, my shoulders went from worst BP to maybe best BP, it helped my bench, I can feel my shoulders working now,

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I’m a big fan of the HS dip machine as well. Regular dips irritate my elbows and adding weight just makes it worse.

Another suggestion for tri’s is a move one of the BBers at my gym does as a finisher. You lay your chest across a flat bench and stick your ass up in the air a bit. You then grab two dumbells underneath the bench and begin doing a kickback movement with them. Kinda hard to explain but I tried some the other day after my bench work and they were brutal. 25lbs was more than enough to smoke my tris with these. If anyone knows the “official” name of this exercise please let me know.

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[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Thanks everyone.

KK- I’ve tried kickbacks, and they feel a bit awkward. I may do a few light sets before pressing though, to at least get the MMC built better.

I’ll try some of these out. Like glograves said, deadstop seems to help with triceps for me, but for some reason I started drifting away from them in favor of ‘BB’ing’ stuff.

GrindOverMatter: Yeah, I’ve been trying to choose lifts that allow some progression, seeing as I’m doing Big Beyond Belief (which you’re familiar with). So that’s why I tried to make CGBP work, but it just doesn’t. EZ Bar extensions or PJR’s I’ll definitely try, and I LOVE HS Dip machines, though my school gym doesn’t have one. [/quote]

i came to same conclusion—coulndt get close grip bench to work within the frame work of BBB- its too much pressing in my mind and its just not a movement i feel–anterior delts take over big time