Whey vs. Mass Gainers?

Nutrition
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[quote]anonym wrote:
WTF is going on in this thread?

It literally takes about 90 seconds to make the shake JF advised. You can assemble it, mix it, drink it and wash the blender out in under five minutes. Easy.

If you don’t include oats or something that will get soggy/bulky, just mix it the night before, keep it in the fridge and then blend it for 10 seconds in the morning to freshen it up. If you want oats, sort your servings in Tupperware at the beginning of each week and throw one into the shake each morning (not that it takes much time to scoop straight from the canister, though).

If you don’t have the time for THAT in the morning, you are the exception to the rule.[/quote]

Wow. Some of you seem to be jumping in to argue for the hell of it.

If doing that comes easy to you and you can do it daily for years on end without fail whenever needed throughout the years to reach an end result of being really really big, then I absolutely agree with you, there is no problem with it.

I was simply stating that I would do what actually fit into my lifestyle better because THAT ALONE is what matters along with the actual END RESULTS and not how “easy” it is for random people to mix a shake once on paper.

Let me know if that needs to be cleared up more.

Like I said, it is a great recipe. I would be more focused on who actually used what to get huge instead of how great a recipe was…but that’s just me.

You all can keep arguing though.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
^ I honestly don’t even know what you’re arguing.[/quote]

His point basically is that he is WAY bigger than you, hence your shake sucks.

I don’t understand why people can’t follow his reasoning. It’s perfectly reasonable. ha

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[quote]infinite_shore wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
^ I honestly don’t even know what you’re arguing.[/quote]

His point basically is that he is WAY bigger than you, hence your shake sucks.

I don’t understand why people can’t follow his reasoning. It’s perfectly reasonable. ha[/quote]

Actually, my point is guys who have done this for years and got huge are who I would listen to to find what works for a lifetime as a serious lifter along with info from everywhere else.

That 40+ year old huge guy in the gym will be one valuable source of info that even the 20 year old big guy won’t be able to match…because a life time of finding what actually fits even when times get rough (deaths, marriages, graduations, bankruptcies) has a very significant place if your goal is to really reach an extreme level and do that for the rest of your life.

It doesn’t have shit to do with just being bigger. It is about what actually worked in the real world…not what “might” work" and “should” work or “sounds great”.

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[quote]infinite_shore wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
^ I honestly don’t even know what you’re arguing.[/quote]

His point basically is that he is WAY bigger than you, hence your shake sucks.

I don’t understand why people can’t follow his reasoning. It’s perfectly reasonable. ha[/quote]

LOL

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
^ I honestly don’t even know what you’re arguing.[/quote]

His point basically is that he is WAY bigger than you, hence your shake sucks.

I don’t understand why people can’t follow his reasoning. It’s perfectly reasonable. ha[/quote]

LOL [/quote]

LOL.

The OP was this:

[quote]So im looking to gain a lot of weight during this off-season of football. We still have playoffs but im just planning ahead.

I’ve been given recommendations for both, but some say whey over mass gainer because mass gainer will put basically all fat on me?

Any opinions and help would be appreciated![/quote]

He is looking to gain a lot of weight and have most of it be muscle.

Why are all of the people who don’t do or haven’t done this jumping in to give advice on what he should do?

You have to wonder about a website where guys are literally “LOLing” because a big guy who did what he wrote to get big gives advice and makes a recommendation that the kid asking listen to guys who did it and not just the guys who talk about it.

Mind you, that once again does not mean that someone small can not give good advice.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
^ I honestly don’t even know what you’re arguing.[/quote]

His point basically is that he is WAY bigger than you, hence your shake sucks.

I don’t understand why people can’t follow his reasoning. It’s perfectly reasonable. ha[/quote]

LOL [/quote]

LOL.[/quote]

LOL

(often enjoyable are the exchanges btwn you two in particular)

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
^ I honestly don’t even know what you’re arguing.[/quote]

His point basically is that he is WAY bigger than you, hence your shake sucks.

I don’t understand why people can’t follow his reasoning. It’s perfectly reasonable. ha[/quote]

LOL [/quote]

LOL.

The OP was this:

[quote]So im looking to gain a lot of weight during this off-season of football. We still have playoffs but im just planning ahead.

I’ve been given recommendations for both, but some say whey over mass gainer because mass gainer will put basically all fat on me?

Any opinions and help would be appreciated![/quote]

He is looking to gain a lot of weight and have most of it be muscle.

Why are all of the people who don’t do or haven’t done this jumping in to give advice on what he should do?

You have to wonder about a website where guys are literally “LOLing” because a big guy who did what he wrote to get big gives advice and makes a recommendation that the kid asking listen to guys who did it and not just the guys who talk about it.

Mind you, that once again does not mean that someone small can not give good advice.[/quote]

So, he’s looking to gain a lot of weight (whatever that means) and mostly muscle.

Is a typical weight gainer full of sugar a to gain weight? Yes… Mostly muscle, maybe, maybe not.

Is a shake one makes at home that contains mostly real food, little sugar, but ample calories from protein, fat and/or carbs an easy way to gain weight? Yes… Mostly muscle? Sure, if monitored and adjusted based upon progress.

What are we arguing again?

I’ve gained 20#s in the past few months doing exactly this. Would 20# of mostly muscle be something the OP is interested in? I’d bet so.

It’s ok, I get that you like to argue to just argue, but please keep in mind this is the OP’s thread, not yours to push your agenda that some of us can’t offer sound advice because we aren’t huge.

I am so glad I’m not your patient, I’d hate to be in your seat after you being on TN all day lol :stuck_out_tongue:

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LOL

didn’t the big guy gain a lot of fat recently off of weight gainers

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]infinite_shore wrote:

[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
^ I honestly don’t even know what you’re arguing.[/quote]

His point basically is that he is WAY bigger than you, hence your shake sucks.

I don’t understand why people can’t follow his reasoning. It’s perfectly reasonable. ha[/quote]

LOL [/quote]

LOL

You have to wonder about a website where guys are literally “LOLing” because a big guy who did what he wrote to get big gives advice and makes a recommendation that the kid asking listen to guys who did it and not just the guys who talk about it.[/quote]

Just to clarify, the "LOL"ing in this thread was about infinite_shores funny comment not “because a big guy who did what he wrote to get big gives advice.”

I was hoping that you were done nitpicking my quotes. This is getting old.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:
What’s the point in the sugar anyway?

I just don’t understand the concept of a mass gainer in the first place.

Won’t milk/cream + protein powder do the same thing? Or is there something special about the design of a mass gainer that I’m missing?[/quote]

Um, bump?

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
What’s the point in the sugar anyway?

I just don’t understand the concept of a mass gainer in the first place.

Won’t milk/cream + protein powder do the same thing? Or is there something special about the design of a mass gainer that I’m missing?[/quote]

Um, bump?[/quote]

It makes the shake taste good, and it’s cheap.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
What’s the point in the sugar anyway?

I just don’t understand the concept of a mass gainer in the first place.

Won’t milk/cream + protein powder do the same thing? Or is there something special about the design of a mass gainer that I’m missing?[/quote]

Um, bump?[/quote]

sugar causes an insulin spike which is beneficial in stopping muscle breakdown, as well as refueling glycogen stores, and some people say it helps shuttle protein to the muscles, among other things. Its also an easy and tasty way to get lots of calories - essential for bulking.

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[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
What’s the point in the sugar anyway?

I just don’t understand the concept of a mass gainer in the first place.

Won’t milk/cream + protein powder do the same thing? Or is there something special about the design of a mass gainer that I’m missing?[/quote]

Um, bump?[/quote]

It’s about consuming enough HIGH QUALITY food to gain weight! That’s it! And one need not be big–actually they can be a 90 pound, weak and frail centenarian for all I care–to recognize and state this simple concept that anyone over five years old knows: eat more and you’ll weigh more! Why someone has to be big to state this is beyond me, as if some skinny kid needs to talk to a big guy to find this out.

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Sugar is also a shit food unless consumed post workout, though sparing amounts other times isn’t gonna kill anyone (eg, a few teaspoons for a coffee or cereal).

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
What’s the point in the sugar anyway?

I just don’t understand the concept of a mass gainer in the first place.

Won’t milk/cream + protein powder do the same thing? Or is there something special about the design of a mass gainer that I’m missing?[/quote]

Um, bump?[/quote]

It’s about consuming enough HIGH QUALITY food to gain weight! That’s it! And one need not be big–actually they can be a 90 pound, weak and frail centenarian for all I care–to recognize and state this simple concept that anyone over five years old knows: eat more and you’ll weigh more! Why someone has to be big to state this is beyond me, as if some skinny kid needs to talk to a big guy to find this out. [/quote]

That’s what I figured.

Sounds like some marketing department created a product category, and a set of psuedo-scientific supporting ideas just to sell it… but it has very little bearing in reality.

Also, I’m amused at all the subtext in your post, lol.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Sugar is also a shit food unless consumed post workout, though sparing amounts other times isn’t gonna kill anyone (eg, a few teaspoons for a coffee or cereal). [/quote]

Sugar is half fructose which so you’re a lot better off with waxy maize or dextrose/maltodextrin/glucose. Those last 3 I believe are the same thing. Fruit has some fructose but not as much as table sugar and it’s cheaper and easier to get bananas than tubs of waxy maize or dextrose. Fruit also has essential micronutrients.

Gotto admit though that tubs of dextrose or waxy maize sure are easy.

As meal replacement, I would go with a somewhat fibrous fruit or oatmeal if it’s not too much extra trouble.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wow. Some of you seem to be jumping in to argue for the hell of it.[/quote]

OK, look: I know shit like this is your first move towards an “everybody is out to get me for some reason” tantrum… so, stop. Just stop.

Because, I mean, if I REALLY wanted to argue “for the hell of it”, I would say that the methods a 40 year old guy needed to rely on to stay on track through 25 years of varying life circumstances is largely irrelevant to a teenager looking to bulk up between HS football seasons. They are completely different people in completely different stages of their lives with completely different sets of responsibilities.

If I REALLY wanted to argue “for the hell of it”, I would say that the daily scramble of a late-30’s/early 40’s professional isn’t really applicable to the 16 year old OP.

If I REALLY wanted to argue “for the hell of it”, I would say that JF makes that shake every day (and MANY here make something similar on a regular basis), so your comment about “random people” (as if you and OP have exchanged BFF bracelets at some point) “mixing it once on paper” is as stupid as it is dismissive.

If I REALLY wanted to argue “for the hell of it”, I would remind you that OP is NOT going to wind up “a really big guy” after one offseason, so your size queen commentary can be put on the back burner for the time being. Anyone who has managed to pull off a successful multi-month bulk can chime in.

If I REALLY wanted to argue “for the hell of it”, I would string you along for another ten pages to pad your 45 thousand post count in order to illustrate how utterly, ironically ridiculous it is for you to claim you “don’t have the time” to do anything BUT dump what is essentially overpriced sugar water + whey into your body every morning. Can’t spare a minute and a half in the morning, but you’ll be damned if you won’t squeeze every last moronic syllable you can out of this argument just to be able to say you’re right… about something.

If I REALLY wanted to argue “for the hell of it”… well, I’d be too busy laughing my ass off at YOU being offended at something like that to even bother making some “pot/kettle” reference.

But again, you’re full of shit in thinking that everyone who disagrees with you is “just looking to argue”… so I won’t actually say any of that. My POINT is that, for the vast majority of people, prepping a nutritious, high calorie meal in 1.5 minutes is a pretty sweet deal. People who argue that they don’t have the time for it are the exception to the rule, so their opinions should be taken with that consideration in mind.

Let me know if that needs to be cleared up more.

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side steps through all the arguing
One thing I did take away from this thread is that weight gainer shake idea. Well, I used to do it before, but I have no idea why I stopped making these things. I have a magic bullet so it’s pretty simple to put together in like 3 minutes, or the night before like somebody suggested.

Surge workout fuel throughout the workout, then post workout:
1 cup of oats + 1 cup of whole milk + 1 banana + 1 scoop of protein powder. Simple enough for me, just a little bit of planning the night before my workout days or wake up a bit earlier and make it before I hit the gym.

Last night I made one with 4 tbsp of natural peanut butter (FUCK YES) + milk + 1/2 cup of oats = Came out to like 700 calories. Way fucking easier to drink that for me than eat it.

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LOLOLOLOL