[quote]knewsom wrote:
Yes folks, it’s true - I’m allergic to whey and caesin, and this is a fairly recent occurance. (whey moreso than caesin). So basically, milk products are out of the picture. I’m lookin’ at lots of eggs, hydolized wheat protein, and POSSIBLY soy - I’m still debating that one, I’m scared off by all the talk I’ve heard about estrogenic properties, but I’ve yet to see any research on it yet, and I was also wondering if using Rez-V regularly could help abate any potential PROBLEMS of soy. (soy’s cheap and tastes good - other stuff more expensive and tastes awful… you see why I’m leaning in that direction, yes?)
I’m sure that increasing the meat intake in my diet will be necessary as well, obviously - this I have no problem with 
I’m practically a meatatarian anways.
Any other ideas on what I can use to replace Surge post workout? I was thinking rice protein or wheat protein for that, anything ultra hydrolized. I was also thinking a bannana or two for the insulin spike? scratches head not to sure on this one.[/quote]
What a bitch! Alergic to Whey!!! Look i don’t know much about these things but what I do know is that you can easily develop (and beat) food allergies. I have thought about this one myself.
From all that I have read it is VITAL to rotate/alternate your food/protein sources. Bodybuilders seem to have a real affinity with one type of potein source and consume this source vigorously such as meat chicken or eggs. The problem is that when the diet is not varied enough the body will naturally begin to develop an alergy to it.
Charles Poliquin wrote that he sends his athleted to get food alergy tests done and most come back with food alergies of eggs, tuna, beef and eggs and MILK products (ALL THE BODYBUILDING STAPLES!!). He recommends to go off of it completely for a while and explore a VARIETY of alternatives.
His athletes must go off of the alergy food for SIX WEEKS and then consume substitute protein during this period but they CANNOT eat the same protein source for 2 days in a row. I think you have to be creative here as he recommends shrimp, scallops, turkey, buffalo and ostrich!! well…it least its different. Use your imagination. for example I’m an AUssie and we can eat Kangaroo as a cheap alternate source.
Ussually the protein alergy is gone after 6weeks and you can re-introduce the protein source into your new VARIED diet. I would not screw around and get tested for food alergies before you reintroduce the whey into your diet as you may plain have a genetic alergy to it…hopefully not.
To be honest I am almost positive that I will be alergic to beef, whey and Cassein. I rely on these sources way too much and do not vary them enough because…i like them. but in the long run I may well be shooting myself in the foot by becoming alergic.
In regards to your fears for Soy, this is what I know. Soy is indeed a cheap and viable protein source. It is rapid absorption, and in some cases may even have some wastage as it is supposedly super rapid (too fast)in absorption.
Yes there is a lot of information about the Estrogenic nature of Soy. In fact soy products are touted as being supportive for females to their homronal health. the idea is based on the fact that Soy has something called Phyto-estrogens. these are weak estrogens contained in the Soy.
There are two schools of thought when it comes to soy.
- Soy Raises Estrogen levels
- Soy LOWERS Estrogen levels
So if Soy has Phytoestrogens how can it actually be thought to lower Estrogen levels? well the theory goes that these Phytoestrogens are weaker estrogens than what the human body produces. These weaker estrogens bind onto estrogen receptor sites in the body blocking stronger estrogens from locking on, thereby LOWERING the real TOTAL estrogen level in your body. This is the concept as drugs like Nolvodax as estrogen inhibitors. The result is thought to be a relative decrease in total estrogen and therefore an INCREASE in the amount of free flowing testosterone creating a more powerful anabolic environment conducive to muscle growth.
Which theory will you prescribe to? well thats up to you. In my opinion Soy is a good idea for bodybuilders where it is not the sole source of protein. It MUST be combined with multiple whole protein sources and consumed in small quantities. If you consume tons of it like you where probably doing with milk protein to develop an alergy it may simply keep flooding the body with Phytoestrogens. common logic says that even weak estrogens when supplied in sufficeint quantity will raise total estrogen levels.
Mate I hope this has helped as I don’t know how much of this you already knew. I hope for you this alergy was brought about by overconsumption and therefore treatable. Isn’t it amazing that supplement companies can holler on and on about whey and cassein, 2grams per pound of bodyweight, no side-effects to high protein diets and mention NOTHING about food alergies as a byproduct of single source overconsumption…sounds like a side effect to me!!!