Where Do I Fit?

And how did she describe those supporters? She was clearly referring to white, heterosexual and possibly Christian males.

Well, when your king describes the illegals as Mexicans who are rapists and murderers who exactly is playing identity politics?

The great American disease is amnesia.

Why you allow yourself to become so triggered by such an innocuous comment–how dare I intimate that I might not consider you a centrist!–as to show your behind* like this, I have no idea. But you have a legit problem.

:asterisk:

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It’s the culmination of a long history at this point, of you being insulting to me and other posters here. You might want to look in the mirror and see if you have any legit problems.

I make this point seriously…

After this charade of a “summit”, and it’s fallout; my guess is that Trump is close to having another rally.

Any bets?

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No way I’m taking that bet. :slight_smile:

But you might get a Trumpkin to take it - they’re expert at throwing in good money after bad.

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Wow…

I didn’t think I could be blown away any further.

One can understand that Hannity would continue to defend Trump; but did anyone hear Rand Paul; of all people; defending him?

He twisted and contorted in his reasoning…and actually compared what Trump has done; on more than one occasion; to Ronald Reagan. (Just wow…)

Is there maybe something to the Libertarian Philosophy that I am missing?

Is this actually consistent for Rand Paul?

What are the “politics” here?

(Once again…I’m at a loss…)

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Anti-war stuff. They will down play or outright ignore whatever they think appears to give ammunition to hawkish officials.

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You mean they respond to chickenhawks by being chicken shit.

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Yes. The isolationists stance of the Libertarian party is one of my big issues with it. In philosophy I like the idea of a more limited government but to be purely defensive or isolationist seems naive, unworkable given our modern global interconnections. We can’t ignore threats to other democracies, nor can we always ignore tyranny. There’s a vacuum when we step away entirely.

@ Trump’s comments in Helsinki. I’m expecting him to recast and deny that he agreed with Putin, undermining our intelligence about Russian interference, just as he’s done with his recent comments to Prime Minister May. We have recordings of what he said, but he’s now recast and denied what he said and meant.

@ Interference. He seems unable to acknowledge interference. Collusion and interference are not the same thing so I can’t figure out why. Particularly when he likes to appear tough, why he’d roll over for Putin. I can’t figure out the motive.

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Puff:

I think that his Pride (remember the “largest inaugural crowd in history” stuff, among others)…has him equating Russian interference in our elections with somehow delegitimatizing his win against Clinton. (Which stings his Pride more than saying President Obama did ANYTHING better than him).

I think his Pride and Arrogance will be what eventually causes him the most problems.

As I’ve said before…the ONLY person who can bring Trump down is Trump himself…and I stick to that…

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(…thanks of the insights on the Libertarian stuff, guys. It’s starting to make sense to me why Paul was almost “Hannity-Like” in his defense of Trump…)

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For sure. @ Pride Remember when I talked about the Dark Triad Traits? Yeah.

I wish he’d let other people handle diplomacy. Or even just be someone who listens to advisors. Unfortunately, he eliminates anyone who might play those roles. After Watergate, President Ford created an legal advisor on intelligence within the White House. My friend’s father served in that role under Ford and Carter. Regan got rid of it, and of course we had Iran-Contra during the Regan years, which might have been avoided had he had someone who with wisdom to say, “Look, this is a real problem. You can’t do it.” I think this is one of the strengths of Obama, he had smart people there to council with.

AND he tended to listen to them.

In addition (to the best of my knowledge); he didn’t publicly criticize his advisers and throw them under the bus if he disagreed with their advice. (Again…to the best of my knowledge…)

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Kind of wish Democrats would make more room for social conservatives who are “fiscal/economic moderates.”

New York born Roman Skaskiw, an Ukrainian libertarian author, wrote two essays on all the love Putin was getting from all those self proclaimed libertarians in the US.

http://romaninukraine.com/putins-libertarians/

http://romaninukraine.com/when-your-former-libertarian-hero-calls-you-a-nazi/

Jeb never had a chance. His last name was Bush. We’re not over the Bush years just yet.
He would have to be spectacular to punch through that wall and he’s far from that.

Jeb needed a personality transplant.

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He called you a what?! Better not.