[quote]Professor X wrote:
It is true that he was over 400lbs and apparently ate enough food to feed…like 5 me’s, 2 you’s and at least 1.5 Mighty Stu’s.[/quote]
lmao… and half of the Velocity Diet forum.
[quote]Marlind wrote:
I was thinking :How did he make his midsection so big?
any ideas guys?
MaYBE HGH? [/quote]
There is nothing wrong with asking questions, but the ones you are asking imply you don’t even know enough to be asking questions. Read more and you will learn more. I’ll get this one because I think even some intermediate trainers are confused.
Every guy you see with a stomach that sticks out a little isn’t on GH or their “distention” isn’t because of overuse of it. The amount of food alone it takes to get anywhere near that size usually means that person has to eat about every 2-3 hours…and these are large meals to meet the caloric need. Also, some people simply have a posture that leads to them sticking their stomach out more.
There is an NPC competitor that I will try to find pics of who is like this. That is just how he is put together. It doesn’t mean it is because of GH use.
That means rushing to conclusions as a newbie simply because you see something new to you is BAD. You will often be wrong…like all of those guys who think anyone with nipples bigger than average has gyno.
Without following someone throughout their bodybuilding “career”, and without any medical work up, it is often a rush to conclusions to assume that growth hormone is the cause of all distention.
Just a quick side note for my fellow Canadian Kovacs:
1996- Canadian National Championships, 1st
1997- IFBB Night of Champions, 16th
1998- IFBB Ironman Pro Invitational, 16th
2001- IFBB Night of Champions, Did not place
2003- Arnold Classic, 13th
2004- Arnold Classic, 13th
2005- Toronto Pro Invitational, Did not place
Poor guy, looked great for awhile…then blam! done…
I remember him, I always wondered what happened to him. I also wonder what happened to Franco Santoriello, speaking of guys that were supplement spokespeople.
I used to workout at the same gym as Kovacs back in the 90’s and every time I saw him train I kept thinking, ‘Jebus his delts are as big as basketballs!’
Yeah, he supposedly (according to the publication that shall not be mentioned) had 27" arms but it was more like 25.5" (based on what I’ve read). So, huge as shit.
He is 6’4" but his frame is just damned weird. Huge, but a good example of someone who MAYBE doesn’t have “ideal” bodybuilding genetics in terms of bone structure- but, he obviously loved it, as evidenced by pursuing it over other strength sports.
Again, this is in comparison to guys like Dexter, Serge and Co. who just scream “bodybuilder” in the way their muscles/bone structure are put together.
He also had some over-dieting issues and inability to manage his his water and peak properly, and everything went to shit quickly.
And obviously his abuse of drugs led to the growth of his abdomonal muscles and internal organs to such a degree that there was no return. It’s not just GH that does it, but the GH in concert with the AAS can cause it, even in small amounts.
So, when Greg attempted to diet down his midsection he lost a lot of size in his arms and legs and ended up looking like shit because you can’t “diet down” gut and organ size.
He looked great at 305-310, ripped as shit with vascularity and tons of size…not sure why he felt the need to get to 390, but it ruined his career. I guess the pressure to be a freak from his sponsors and “the world” caught up with him.
kovacs did several radio interveiws on the MD website a few months ago he talks about his past and what he is doing presently he is a real funny and entertaining during the interveiw worth listening to if you guys have time!!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Marlind wrote:
I was thinking :How did he make his midsection so big?
any ideas guys?
MaYBE HGH?
There is nothing wrong with asking questions, but the ones you are asking imply you don’t even know enough to be asking questions. Read more and you will learn more. I’ll get this one because I think even some intermediate trainers are confused.
Every guy you see with a stomach that sticks out a little isn’t on GH or their “distention” isn’t because of overuse of it. The amount of food alone it takes to get anywhere near that size usually means that person has to eat about every 2-3 hours…and these are large meals to meet the caloric need. Also, some people simply have a posture that leads to them sticking their stomach out more.
There is an NPC competitor that I will try to find pics of who is like this. That is just how he is put together. It doesn’t mean it is because of GH use.
That means rushing to conclusions as a newbie simply because you see something new to you is BAD. You will often be wrong…like all of those guys who think anyone with nipples bigger than average has gyno.
Without following someone throughout their bodybuilding “career”, and without any medical work up, it is often a rush to conclusions to assume that growth hormone is the cause of all distention.
[/quote]
Thanx X.:)…I’ve always been told that huge amount of GH cause the organs to enlarge and your stomach to become extended
[quote]Marlind wrote:
Thanx X.:)…I’ve always been told that huge amount of GH cause the organs to enlarge and your stomach to become extended
[/quote]
It can, but the problem with every clueless newb acting like they went to medical school is that you end up with people calling ANYTHING that looks different “GH gut” or ‘GYNO’.
I can’t even imagine how much food Ronnie has to eat to weigh 300lbs in that kind of shape. I would only imagine it is more than I have to eat by a very large amount…and that is a lot of food.
That alone could be why he looked the way he did and why he was able to get it under control later.
Weighing 300lbs is no joke. Your body is not going to have a “28” waist" if you weigh that much at 5’10". You would probably break in half.
I am sure Ronnie used gh. However, to blame gh for why he looks like that in those pics is also incorrect.
Overuse of gh would cause acromegaly, which involves abnormal growth of bones, spacing of teeth and growth of organs. I believe Nasser El Sonbaty showed this by the end of his competing career because even his teeth had begun to move further apart and he looked COMPLETELY different facially than he did when he first came on the scene.
I did not see any signs of acromegaly in Ronnie.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Marlind wrote:
Thanx X.:)…I’ve always been told that huge amount of GH cause the organs to enlarge and your stomach to become extended
It can, but the problem with every clueless newb acting like they went to medical school is that you end up with people calling ANYTHING that looks different “GH gut” or ‘GYNO’.
I can’t even imagine how much food Ronnie has to eat to weigh 300lbs in that kind of shape. I would only imagine it is more than I have to eat by a very large amount…and that is a lot of food.
That alone could be why he looked the way he did and why he was able to get it under control later.
Weighing 300lbs is no joke. Your body is not going to have a “28” waist" if you weigh that much at 5’10". You would probably break in half.
I am sure Ronnie used gh. However, to blame gh for why he looks like that in those pics is also incorrect.
Overuse of gh would cause acromegaly, which involves abnormal growth of bones, spacing of teeth and growth of organs. I believe Nasser El Sonbaty showed this by the end of his competing career because even his teeth had begun to move further apart and he looked COMPLETELY different facially than he did when he first came on the scene.
I did not see any signs of acromegaly in Ronnie.[/quote]
OK thanks again X.I had the opinion that I had gyno but my father showed me what gyno looks like and that all the males from my father side (my uncle,the brother of my mom has it too)have a little bigger nipples,not huge but a little bigger than average .Thanks for clarifying .
PS: I ve noticed that a guy that wrestles The great Khali i think has acromegaly,Spaced teeth ,huge bones etc…He is pretty tall 7’1’‘-7’3’’ at about 420lbs.
Marlind, as a rule of thumb, you should read before you write. If you know what I mean.
X, what do you think explains the strange shape of Kovacs’ back in that Arnold Classic picture? Looks verrrry dodgy to me but I can’t put my finger on the cause.
Not to deter this thread away from Kovacs but with regards to the talk about organ growth one drug in particular has be omitted. Insulin. Insulin is much more anabolic than hGH and can be tolerated in higher doses than GH (proportionally speaking; and a high tolerance needs to be built up to because of the dangers involved with insulin use).
If it is true that the intestines and other organs in the GI tract have a higher percentage of IGF-1 receptors than other body parts then insulin usage may have a more pronounced effect in that area of the body.
Plenty of people are using GH, maybe not doses like 15-20 iu/d like some pros may use, but still a large number of people using. It is rare to see someone with “GH gut”. I’d guess that a much lower percentage of people are using insulin on a regular basis to promote muscle growth. In my completely unscientific opinion that does not factor in the amount of food people are eating, I think insulin has a bigger impact than GH does.
[quote]Marlind wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Marlind wrote:
Thanx X.:)…I’ve always been told that huge amount of GH cause the organs to enlarge and your stomach to become extended
It can, but the problem with every clueless newb acting like they went to medical school is that you end up with people calling ANYTHING that looks different “GH gut” or ‘GYNO’.
I can’t even imagine how much food Ronnie has to eat to weigh 300lbs in that kind of shape. I would only imagine it is more than I have to eat by a very large amount…and that is a lot of food.
That alone could be why he looked the way he did and why he was able to get it under control later.
Weighing 300lbs is no joke. Your body is not going to have a “28” waist" if you weigh that much at 5’10". You would probably break in half.
I am sure Ronnie used gh. However, to blame gh for why he looks like that in those pics is also incorrect.
Overuse of gh would cause acromegaly, which involves abnormal growth of bones, spacing of teeth and growth of organs. I believe Nasser El Sonbaty showed this by the end of his competing career because even his teeth had begun to move further apart and he looked COMPLETELY different facially than he did when he first came on the scene.
I did not see any signs of acromegaly in Ronnie.
OK thanks again X.I had the opinion that I had gyno but my father showed me what gyno looks like and that all the males from my father side (my uncle,the brother of my mom has it too)have a little bigger nipples,not huge but a little bigger than average .Thanks for clarifying .
PS: I ve noticed that a guy that wrestles The great Khali i think has acromegaly,Spaced teeth ,huge bones etc…He is pretty tall 7’1’‘-7’3’’ at about 420lbs.[/quote]
When are you going to stop speculating about what medical conditions someone may or may not have based on pictures or videos? Your posts about drug use are littered with ignorance and condescension. Hopefully it is due to a language barrier and is not intentional.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Marlind wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Marlind wrote:
Thanx X.:)…I’ve always been told that huge amount of GH cause the organs to enlarge and your stomach to become extended
It can, but the problem with every clueless newb acting like they went to medical school is that you end up with people calling ANYTHING that looks different “GH gut” or ‘GYNO’.
I can’t even imagine how much food Ronnie has to eat to weigh 300lbs in that kind of shape. I would only imagine it is more than I have to eat by a very large amount…and that is a lot of food.
That alone could be why he looked the way he did and why he was able to get it under control later.
Weighing 300lbs is no joke. Your body is not going to have a “28” waist" if you weigh that much at 5’10". You would probably break in half.
I am sure Ronnie used gh. However, to blame gh for why he looks like that in those pics is also incorrect.
Overuse of gh would cause acromegaly, which involves abnormal growth of bones, spacing of teeth and growth of organs. I believe Nasser El Sonbaty showed this by the end of his competing career because even his teeth had begun to move further apart and he looked COMPLETELY different facially than he did when he first came on the scene.
I did not see any signs of acromegaly in Ronnie.
OK thanks again X.I had the opinion that I had gyno but my father showed me what gyno looks like and that all the males from my father side (my uncle,the brother of my mom has it too)have a little bigger nipples,not huge but a little bigger than average .Thanks for clarifying .
PS: I ve noticed that a guy that wrestles The great Khali i think has acromegaly,Spaced teeth ,huge bones etc…He is pretty tall 7’1’‘-7’3’’ at about 420lbs.
When are you going to stop speculating about what medical conditions someone may or may not have based on pictures or videos? Your posts about drug use are littered with ignorance and condescension. Hopefully it is due to a language barrier and is not intentional.[/quote]
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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Marlind wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Marlind wrote:
Thanx X.:)…I’ve always been told that huge amount of GH cause the organs to enlarge and your stomach to become extended
It can, but the problem with every clueless newb acting like they went to medical school is that you end up with people calling ANYTHING that looks different “GH gut” or ‘GYNO’.
I can’t even imagine how much food Ronnie has to eat to weigh 300lbs in that kind of shape. I would only imagine it is more than I have to eat by a very large amount…and that is a lot of food.
That alone could be why he looked the way he did and why he was able to get it under control later.
Weighing 300lbs is no joke. Your body is not going to have a “28” waist" if you weigh that much at 5’10". You would probably break in half.
I am sure Ronnie used gh. However, to blame gh for why he looks like that in those pics is also incorrect.
Overuse of gh would cause acromegaly, which involves abnormal growth of bones, spacing of teeth and growth of organs. I believe Nasser El Sonbaty showed this by the end of his competing career because even his teeth had begun to move further apart and he looked COMPLETELY different facially than he did when he first came on the scene.
I did not see any signs of acromegaly in Ronnie.
OK thanks again X.I had the opinion that I had gyno but my father showed me what gyno looks like and that all the males from my father side (my uncle,the brother of my mom has it too)have a little bigger nipples,not huge but a little bigger than average .Thanks for clarifying .
PS: I ve noticed that a guy that wrestles The great Khali i think has acromegaly,Spaced teeth ,huge bones etc…He is pretty tall 7’1’‘-7’3’’ at about 420lbs.
When are you going to stop speculating about what medical conditions someone may or may not have based on pictures or videos? Your posts about drug use are littered with ignorance and condescension. Hopefully it is due to a language barrier and is not intentional.[/quote]
List of “giants”
Alexander Sizonenko
André Roussimoff (“André the Giant”) (1946?1993)
Angus MacAskill (1825?1863)
Anna Haining Bates (1846?1886)
Antoine Hugo
Bernard Coyne (1897-1921)
Chang Woo Gow
**Dalip Singh (Professional Wrestler and Actor starring in the WWE as The Great Khali, and acting in the longest yard)
Don Koehler (1925-1981)
Eddie Carmel
Eric Gmeinder
Feodor Machnow (1882-1912?)
George Auger
Gheorghe Mureşan (b. 1971)
Goliath
Henry Mullens, also known as Henry Hite (1915-1972)
Hussain Bisad
Jack Earle (1906-1952)
Johann K. Petursson (1913-1984)
John Middleton (1578?1623)
John Paul Ofwono (1959??2003)
Jorge Gonzales (b. 1966)
Kevin Peter Hall (1955 - 1991)
Leonid Stadnik
Margo Dydek (b. 1974)
Manute Bol (b. 1962)
Martin Van Buren Bates (1837?1919)
Matthew McGrory (1973?2005)
Max Palmer (1928?1984)
Maximinus Thrax (c. 173?238)
Mills Darden (1799?1857)
Nikolai Valuev (b. 1973)Tallest World Boxing Association Heavyweight Champion
Paul Wight (Professional Wrestler, known as The Big Show)
Peter Mayhew
Radhouane Charbib
Ralph Sampson
Ri Myong-huan
Richard Kiel
Robert Wadlow (1918?1940) (Recognized as tallest human being ever)
Sandy Allen (b. 1955)
Steven Waters (b. 1987)
Sun Ming Ming
Väinö Myllyrinne (1909?1963)
Xi Shun (b. 1951) Currently the tallest man living
Yao Ming (b.1980) Tallest National Basketball Association player.
Yao Defen Currently the tallest female living
Zaineb Bibi
Zeng Jinlian (1964?1982)
Joseph Turrent (1897 ? ?)
I read it somewhere.I wasn’t speculating…Anyways if my English seems erroneous ,than sorry.
Kovacs is awesome. I love watching his old training videos and his posing routines as an amateur and early pro.
He is just so enormous it’s incredible.
I love how his hands are like twice the size of the other two fellas in that first pic haha, insane.
Too bad he never did well, definitely one of those guys you wish did well.
[quote]Marlind wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Marlind wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Marlind wrote:
Thanx X.:)…I’ve always been told that huge amount of GH cause the organs to enlarge and your stomach to become extended
It can, but the problem with every clueless newb acting like they went to medical school is that you end up with people calling ANYTHING that looks different “GH gut” or ‘GYNO’.
I can’t even imagine how much food Ronnie has to eat to weigh 300lbs in that kind of shape. I would only imagine it is more than I have to eat by a very large amount…and that is a lot of food.
That alone could be why he looked the way he did and why he was able to get it under control later.
Weighing 300lbs is no joke. Your body is not going to have a “28” waist" if you weigh that much at 5’10". You would probably break in half.
I am sure Ronnie used gh. However, to blame gh for why he looks like that in those pics is also incorrect.
Overuse of gh would cause acromegaly, which involves abnormal growth of bones, spacing of teeth and growth of organs. I believe Nasser El Sonbaty showed this by the end of his competing career because even his teeth had begun to move further apart and he looked COMPLETELY different facially than he did when he first came on the scene.
I did not see any signs of acromegaly in Ronnie.
OK thanks again X.I had the opinion that I had gyno but my father showed me what gyno looks like and that all the males from my father side (my uncle,the brother of my mom has it too)have a little bigger nipples,not huge but a little bigger than average .Thanks for clarifying .
PS: I ve noticed that a guy that wrestles The great Khali i think has acromegaly,Spaced teeth ,huge bones etc…He is pretty tall 7’1’‘-7’3’’ at about 420lbs.
When are you going to stop speculating about what medical conditions someone may or may not have based on pictures or videos? Your posts about drug use are littered with ignorance and condescension. Hopefully it is due to a language barrier and is not intentional.
List of “giants”
Alexander Sizonenko
André Roussimoff (“André the Giant”) (1946?1993)
Angus MacAskill (1825?1863)
Anna Haining Bates (1846?1886)
Antoine Hugo
Bernard Coyne (1897-1921)
Chang Woo Gow
**Dalip Singh (Professional Wrestler and Actor starring in the WWE as The Great Khali, and acting in the longest yard)
Don Koehler (1925-1981)
Eddie Carmel
Eric Gmeinder
Feodor Machnow (1882-1912?)
George Auger
Gheorghe Mureşan (b. 1971)
Goliath
Henry Mullens, also known as Henry Hite (1915-1972)
Hussain Bisad
Jack Earle (1906-1952)
Johann K. Petursson (1913-1984)
John Middleton (1578?1623)
John Paul Ofwono (1959??2003)
Jorge Gonzales (b. 1966)
Kevin Peter Hall (1955 - 1991)
Leonid Stadnik
Margo Dydek (b. 1974)
Manute Bol (b. 1962)
Martin Van Buren Bates (1837?1919)
Matthew McGrory (1973?2005)
Max Palmer (1928?1984)
Maximinus Thrax (c. 173?238)
Mills Darden (1799?1857)
Nikolai Valuev (b. 1973)Tallest World Boxing Association Heavyweight Champion
Paul Wight (Professional Wrestler, known as The Big Show)
Peter Mayhew
Radhouane Charbib
Ralph Sampson
Ri Myong-huan
Richard Kiel
Robert Wadlow (1918?1940) (Recognized as tallest human being ever)
Sandy Allen (b. 1955)
Steven Waters (b. 1987)
Sun Ming Ming
Väinö Myllyrinne (1909?1963)
Xi Shun (b. 1951) Currently the tallest man living
Yao Ming (b.1980) Tallest National Basketball Association player.
Yao Defen Currently the tallest female living
Zaineb Bibi
Zeng Jinlian (1964?1982)
Joseph Turrent (1897 ? ?)
I read it somewhere.I wasn’t speculating…Anyways if my English seems erroneous ,than sorry.[/quote]
he has giantism which is completely different then acromegaly.
[quote]Marlind wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Marlind wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Marlind wrote:
Thanx X.:)…I’ve always been told that huge amount of GH cause the organs to enlarge and your stomach to become extended
It can, but the problem with every clueless newb acting like they went to medical school is that you end up with people calling ANYTHING that looks different “GH gut” or ‘GYNO’.
I can’t even imagine how much food Ronnie has to eat to weigh 300lbs in that kind of shape. I would only imagine it is more than I have to eat by a very large amount…and that is a lot of food.
That alone could be why he looked the way he did and why he was able to get it under control later.
Weighing 300lbs is no joke. Your body is not going to have a “28” waist" if you weigh that much at 5’10". You would probably break in half.
I am sure Ronnie used gh. However, to blame gh for why he looks like that in those pics is also incorrect.
Overuse of gh would cause acromegaly, which involves abnormal growth of bones, spacing of teeth and growth of organs. I believe Nasser El Sonbaty showed this by the end of his competing career because even his teeth had begun to move further apart and he looked COMPLETELY different facially than he did when he first came on the scene.
I did not see any signs of acromegaly in Ronnie.
OK thanks again X.I had the opinion that I had gyno but my father showed me what gyno looks like and that all the males from my father side (my uncle,the brother of my mom has it too)have a little bigger nipples,not huge but a little bigger than average .Thanks for clarifying .
PS: I ve noticed that a guy that wrestles The great Khali i think has acromegaly,Spaced teeth ,huge bones etc…He is pretty tall 7’1’‘-7’3’’ at about 420lbs.
When are you going to stop speculating about what medical conditions someone may or may not have based on pictures or videos? Your posts about drug use are littered with ignorance and condescension. Hopefully it is due to a language barrier and is not intentional.
List of “giants”
Alexander Sizonenko
André Roussimoff (“André the Giant”) (1946?1993)
Angus MacAskill (1825?1863)
Anna Haining Bates (1846?1886)
Antoine Hugo
Bernard Coyne (1897-1921)
Chang Woo Gow
**Dalip Singh (Professional Wrestler and Actor starring in the WWE as The Great Khali, and acting in the longest yard)
Don Koehler (1925-1981)
Eddie Carmel
Eric Gmeinder
Feodor Machnow (1882-1912?)
George Auger
Gheorghe Mureşan (b. 1971)
Goliath
Henry Mullens, also known as Henry Hite (1915-1972)
Hussain Bisad
Jack Earle (1906-1952)
Johann K. Petursson (1913-1984)
John Middleton (1578?1623)
John Paul Ofwono (1959??2003)
Jorge Gonzales (b. 1966)
Kevin Peter Hall (1955 - 1991)
Leonid Stadnik
Margo Dydek (b. 1974)
Manute Bol (b. 1962)
Martin Van Buren Bates (1837?1919)
Matthew McGrory (1973?2005)
Max Palmer (1928?1984)
Maximinus Thrax (c. 173?238)
Mills Darden (1799?1857)
Nikolai Valuev (b. 1973)Tallest World Boxing Association Heavyweight Champion
Paul Wight (Professional Wrestler, known as The Big Show)
Peter Mayhew
Radhouane Charbib
Ralph Sampson
Ri Myong-huan
Richard Kiel
Robert Wadlow (1918?1940) (Recognized as tallest human being ever)
Sandy Allen (b. 1955)
Steven Waters (b. 1987)
Sun Ming Ming
Väinö Myllyrinne (1909?1963)
Xi Shun (b. 1951) Currently the tallest man living
Yao Ming (b.1980) Tallest National Basketball Association player.
Yao Defen Currently the tallest female living
Zaineb Bibi
Zeng Jinlian (1964?1982)
Joseph Turrent (1897 ? ?)
I read it somewhere.I wasn’t speculating…Anyways if my English seems erroneous ,than sorry.[/quote]
So you are saying that because they are all classified as giants that they have acromegaly?
“Huge bones” is different than abnormally large bones. There are people of normal height that have acromegaly. Again please stop parroting information that you think applies to a certain topic.
Im done hijacking
PM me if you wish.
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
I’ve heard that Kovaks… was genuinely bothered by a lot of the marketing surrounding him.
S
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Between this and X’s comments about supp companies ‘using’ him too much, I wonder why he didn’t fuck them off. I mean, clearly he knew his shit when it comes to diet/training/supplementation.
Are pro BB’s this dependent on endorsements as their only source of income?
[quote]elusive wrote:
Professor X wrote:
It is true that he was over 400lbs and apparently ate enough food to feed…like 5 me’s, 2 you’s and at least 1.5 Mighty Stu’s.
lmao… and half of the Velocity Diet forum.[/quote]
Hahahaha.
You just immortalized yourself, sir.