I’m with @chris_ottawa on two important points:
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I am NOT for censoring the fake-pandemic-ers EVEN A LITTLE. That simply emboldens them to put out more bullshit.
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I will NOT be rushing to take a rushed vaccine.
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I have a theory on this. It’s like bro-science but for psychology.
By making up a bunch of ridiculous bullshit, they can actually have some influence or control over a reality that is too scary or unacceptable.
It’s like putting hot sauce on a shit sandwich. It’s still a shit sandwich, but Hey! That’s some hot sauce, ain’t it!?! 
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I think that this is a large part of it.
This damn thing is scary…real…and full of uncertainty…
and @chris_ottawa, I am not for censoring. I am for people saying what a stupid idea that is when someone else states some non-sense.
I guess I don’t care much on the time line of the vaccine. I care that it has data supporting efficacy.
The more it is rushed, the less supporting data you have on both its efficacy AND long-term safety.
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Not a statistician, but having done a bit with numbers over the years - l find the Covid numbers impossible to decipher.
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Originally attributed deaths were not differentiated by sole cause or in addition to pre existing condition (still the case?) IOW - death from or merely with covid present
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number of positive tests are sometimes reported as cumulative, sometimes new
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uncertainty of % of repeat infections and where they are reported
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dearth of reporting on positive tests which are also asymptomatic
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In Texas, we showed an initial uptick of hospitalizations which were 80% procedures that had been put off due to leaving room for covid, but only got reported as new hospitalizations
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no statistics showing rise in cases compared to rise in overall testing level, of course no breaking out of asymptomatic or non hospitalized
While l am aware of the other health effects that have a potential long term risk, death is obviously the biggie. So due to the above, one should be able to look at overall numbers of mortality and make an estimated guess on how fatal this is.
But hell no. The CDC is in charge of mortality numbers and rates.
They run 15 months behind in reporting (no computers?), so no answer there for another year.
That said, l personally am masking and mostly social distancing/semi isolating.
tl:dr The stats are crap, #1 above skewed it permanently
It is. And the first thing out of people mouths when the whole mask thing broke out was “I’m not living in fear!” and “It’s a symbol of fear.”.
Who brought fear into the conversation?
We were talking about hygiene.
It just took a little while for people, individually and collectively to figure out the oppression/microchip crap.
Same as 9/11. First there was terror and agony. Then came the bullshit.
Absolutely…!
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That is true. I forgo the flu vaccine, because after research, the effectiveness of it is rather low. Some years it is only a 10% reduction in infection from the shot. On good years it is 30-50% effective.
If we thought a corona vaccine would get us all back to normal, and there was pretty good data, I would probably roll the dice on it.
Agree.
Not to get into a big discussion here, but I think you are onto something. Checkout the book “The Shallows: What the Internet is Doing to our Brains” by Nicolas Carr - written in 2011 and even more pertinent today I think (I read it last year).
Well considering college football not happening is going to put college sports at a risk of going bankrupt (Stanford cut 11 sports already I believe) then you need to stay far away from those morons in case their stupidity is contagious.
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(Stanford cut 11 sports already I believe)
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That makes little sense. Those sports didnt even sell tickets (worked in the athletic depts ticket office during HS and college), so they literally never generated revenue to begin with.
Stanford makes money from donors… most students are on full ride scholarships. And their endowment is 30 billion, which would be even bigger if they werent in a constant state of building/upgrading/expanding the campus.
I don’t know enough about Stanford’s economics itself to say it was related maybe it wasn’t and that was a poor example.
What I do know is that college football largely pays for the vast majority of college athletic programs. It’s by far the major source of revenue at almost all colleges. In no scenario is not having college football being done on purpose as scam by big business.
No, youre right, i was just surprised. Stanford may have just taken the opportunity to trim some of the fat… i mean lets be real, fencing and mens field hockey should not be D1 sports lol.
cite a source?
I know MANY people in the medical field. One of my closest friends is an ER doctor in Dallas. She would disagree with this statement.
Talk to anyone in a big city who works at a hospital that deals directly with covid patients, in Texas. Literally anyone. They will all tell you that there is a tremendous rise in the number of covid patients they are treating now as compared to a month ago.
From what I have read, it looks like close to 100% of deaths have other comorbidities
It looks like there are no repeat infections at all, no cases of that have been proven. The issues is that something like 30% of tests result in false negatives, so you can get sick, wait until symptoms are gone, then take a test test that comes back negative despite the virus still being present in your body. Then a couple weeks later get tested again and it comes back positive, and in some case people are suffering symptoms from something else. The thing is that the test will come back positive just from non-viable virus fragments, it doesn’t have to be a live virus. There are people who have been testing positive for several months.
There was an article in the Wall Street Journal on this a week or two ago, I read some excerpts but you need a subscription to read the article.
Also, the high rate of false negatives means that the actual number of infections is likely much higher than reported.
It’s around 80%, which is one reason I say this virus isn’t a threat for the majority of people:
That’s the part I really don’t get. In Ontario at first it was only people who were hospitalized and nursing home residents that were getting tested, even healthcare workers with symptoms wre being to to just stay home. Then suddenly they start testing tens of thousands of people each day and act surprised when there are new cases. There is a lot of bullshit going on here.
High blood pressure is a comorbidity.
It sure is.
I think one reason for the high number of deaths and hospitalizations in the US is that there are so many obese and morbidly obese people there. There are plenty of fat people in Canada, but few are fat like many Americans.
Not only is the number incredibly high in the US but because so many people don’t go to the doctor because of the cost we don’t know all the people running around with shit that they aren’t even aware of.