[quote]Beowolf wrote:
AndyG wrote:
Beowolf wrote:
AndyG wrote:
Yep, beowolf has backed down pretty quickly on this one.
Didn’t have access to a computer.
A) Newborns have self sentience.
B) A few animals do too, and I’m all for protecting them.
C) Sentience isn’t the be all end all of abortion. It just separates kids from cows.
A) No
B) Pretty well all mammals do.
C) If it’s what separates something you are allowed to kill from something you are not then you should be able to kill newborns.
You still aren’t getting it. Self sentience has nothing to do with what we can and cannot kill.
It just separates a kid from a cow. A cow doesn’t know its a cow. A kid knows its a kid.
One has a lot of higher brain function. One doesn’t.[/quote]
I tried to follow along, but I don’t get what you are trying to say either.
You still aren’t getting it. Self sentience…[/quote]
“Self sentience”? Please. Making up bullshit phrases to support your nonexistent argument fools no one.
But you have said we should protect animals that are sentient, whatever that means in your little head, but not non sentient animals. If this is not your point, you have no point at all.
Educate us, Cornell. What “higher brain function” does a newborn have that a cow doesn’t? Be sure to make up lots of pseudo-philosophical phrases like “self sentience” in your well educated reply.
a young life is never the same as an adult. A newborn does not have the brain capacity to function like an adult, therefore the adults have to take care of the newborn until they can function on their own.
Animals will never be able to care for themselves after a single day. Animals don’t harvest food for the next year because there might be a drought the following year. Animals like the squirrel might have little food caches for that winter, but those food caches will NOT feed them for a year after the winter.
I understand some peoples thoughts about animals ‘feelings’, however they do NOT have the higher level brain functioning that humans posses. If they did there would be a number of things different.
But that is getting off subject. My original question was, ‘when did ur life start?’ For the people that think abortion is ok, I ask one more, what do u think if u had been aborted at any stage of ur life development?
Like when u were either a few cells or even 8 1/2 months into the pregnancy? Would it be ok if u were killed as a fetus?
Well I’ve always been told that the tomorrow is the first day of the rest of my life. So I guess I’m a little confused about when mine started. Hopefully tomorrow.
Kneedragger79, what the fuck are you talking about animals will NEVER be able to care for themselves after a single day. I’m pretty sure animals have survived without a fucking adult for more than a god damned day, considering a human (who knows for an animal) can go without water for about 3 days. Suck it. It’s called instincts. I think those are more inherent with wild animals than they are with humans. I’m pretty sure they can survive. Now I never saw Bambi, but from the basic understanding of the storyline (SPOILER) it’s mom was shot. I’m halfway to pretty positive it survived for at least one day, ortherwise that would be a shitty and sad movie for children. On the bright side, I’d make my kids watch that everyday if it didn’t survive that single day, just to prove your point to them over and over.
Anyways, I don’t want to get all existential because I’m all into that shit and I think that’s not what the focus of this thread is. The point of this paragraph is, in literal terms, who knows when life starts. I like to think of comming into existance (mentally if you will) sort of like falling asleep; you don’t really know when it happens, you just sort of slip into it.
[quote]CitizenSnips wrote:
Kneedragger79, what the fuck are you talking about animals will NEVER be able to care for themselves after a single day. [/quote]
Ellis, I was referring to the fact that animals do not hunt/gather food for the next day/week/month or even year. They don’t put it somewhere where it will stay ‘good’. Animals worry about the here and now, they don’t plan on food being unavailable. Animals have only a few needs. They worry about the needs of the day not their future needs.
Life starts at conception, humans just might take a few years to become aware of themselves. A baby is just as alive at a single cell stage of life as an adult after 50 years.
Is it ok to end life after 50 years? No, then why is it fair to end a life when it is just starting?