If your personal definition of impasse means you really don’t have any idea what you were talking about.
Accepting vs submitting. Moral codes don’t rule us; we follow them knowing that they are not set in stone.
I don’t recall that.
Meanings vs definitions
I think this semantic question is more important than the rest we’ve been discussing
It’s obviously subjective and when it comes to laws, it’s those in power who decide.
I’m not so sure slavery would have been abolished by people who thought/felt that way, especially at great cost/risk
What do you base this on?
If you stick to using words as they are defined, no one has to worry about what you mean. Unless you want to restrict yourself to speaking metaphorically but no one reads poetry anymore.
I think you’ve got your obvious and non-obvious reversed
When it comes to laws, it’s obviously for those in power to decide
When it comes to moral codes, it’s not obvious to me that there are no objective better/worse
We may be at an impasse
Nope. Have a good day.
You didn’t. Just don’t want to invest any more time on this specific topic. Feel all talked out on it for now. Take care.
Peace
You can always consult a religious doctrine to find your objective moral codes but…which religion do you choose? Maybe it would be better to just go to the source but…he, she or they aren’t too talkative. So the question of objective morality’s existence is irrelevant since we are not privy to it and have to make these rules up as we go along.
Well it raises the question of making rules up vs. discovering them
See, “better” moral codes could be codes that are closer to some absolute code.
So on the question of what makes one moral code better than another, you are of the position that they are all just made up, and subjective? Sooo…? Can anyone tell if one is better than another?
Sometimes I think the source planted the moral code within us. And that the code itself is what gives rise to feelings. Rather than the commonly held opposite
Many are of the view that we make up moral codes based on our subjective feelings. I suspect our feelings arise from an innate, objective code
Thoroughly Athiest.
I’ve never experienced anything to make me believe otherwise. My father is of a similar belief and has worked hard his whole life to achieve whatever he has wanted. I’ve never had a need or desire to pray for a situation I felt was out of my control. I firmly believe in busting your ass, and achieving what you want through your own means. Help is appreciated and accepted, but not seeked.
I truly have no issue with standard religion. Somehow in the bible belt, I’ve never been vilified for my beliefs, and my general standing and morals seems to carry me though most groups of people.
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I’m Muslim fwiw
I really don’t think you can discover those rules.
Look at all of the religious beliefs that have existed and still exist. Can all of them be right? Meaning, most religious beliefs and thus any morality they bring, are made up by people. that much we can be sure of.
Morality probably reflects necessity.
And how much of Islamic doctrine reflects the values of the culture in which it was created?
I wasn’t planning on it. The thought that they might exist is better than the thought that they can’t, or obviously don’t. I can’t prove that they exist, but I shouldn’t need to. This is more in line with persuasion than argument. It might not be of value to you - but you did mention one moral code being “better” than another - so maybe it is for you
Some religious beliefs are opposites of others. They cannot all be right
I’m not so sure.
I’m not so sure on your first point of most religious beliefs being made up by people.
For me there is room enough for doubt.
Islam can be said to have evolved through time, or revealed in stages. Revealed in stages is the Muslim perspective, not created by people. Revealed in stages starting from the very beginning with prophet Adam, the first man. For what it’s worth