I mean, the atheistic five year plan, for example. Seems like solid evidence of atheism. Any evidence he was a THEIST?
I think we have evidence he thought he was god.
Stalin had worldly powers that were absolute within the possible realm.
The Soviet Union was an atheist state. Religion was the opium of the people, and often was in bed with rulers who expected people to believe that in fact they were God’s selection to rule the proletariat. Furthermore, loyalty was to be focused on Stalin (Hitler was the same, he emasculated Nazi Christmas celebrations such that the tree had no decorations. A stark expression like the art he championed. No angel, no Christ to take peoples’ thoughts away from the Fuhrer and the message.)
You don’t have to, humor is subjective. It’s funny to me personally because it’s one of the most extreme juxtapositions I’ve ever heard. The most infamous terrorist in modern history living down the street from a pope in some sort of afterlife setting? That’s wild.
/shrug
Whatever floats your boat. Take care.
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thanks mate, you too
You bizarrely asked for thiest philosophers. The problem is that you are not understand what I am claiming. And it’s very simple. The problem is with talking with you is you actually have no clue what I am talking about.
I am not going to present the arguments, not this time. I have done it hundreds of times here. You want to know you have to do the work yourself.
I am sayin something very specific and you expanding it to mean something else.
There are many arguments for the existence of God. There are some better than others. However, there are several arguments that haven’t been refuted, not even close.
Not only have they not been refuted, but the premises are so solid and the conclusion is based on those premises are the only conclusion possible.
You can look at the cosmological argument based on contingency. Or you can look at the moral argument. Or you can look at Aquinas’s 5 proofs.
And sure people have raised objections, but those were not refutations. Don’t trust me look for yourself. If you can refute these arguments I will walk away from all of it.
And sure look up those theist philosophers. Lots of good material there in defence of the arguments.
If you can do what nobody for centuries couldn’t do, I will walk away from it. Good luck.
There is no requirement to think as I. There is no requirement to like it. You can do your own research and make your own determination.
There are several rock solid arguments for the existence of God, or a God-like entity.
I am not here to convince you I am right. I want you guys to determine that yourselves. If you actually care about the topic, put in the work. Then, a long time from now you can determine if you think if I have a right to be certain.
You are not required to believe me. That’s your right. But I won’t give in to peer pressure.
Why should I be afraid of the truth? There is nothing wrong with what I am saying. You are welcome to check it all out yourself. You don’t have to take my word for it.
Yes he was. He more than an atheist, he was an anti-theist. If he believed even in the possibility of God, Stalin hated Him.
He did his very best to erraticate religion. Murder was a useful tool. The man was pure evil.
Yeah, Russell’s claim was ‘the universe just is’
Problem is it’s a logical not starter, it’s circular.
Not being able to prove silly things don’t exist is not a counter argument.
That’s up to you how you want to approach it. Contrary to popular belief I am naturally skeptical. That is why I put so much time in to learning everything I could.
What I think is happening is people are conflation the philosophy with religion. They are not the same. These are philosophical claims only, I am make no argument for anything religious. Not in this case.
My goal isn’t to convince people I am right. I know I am, but that does nothing for anybody else.
What my goal here is to encourage people to learn as much as they can about the topic. The philosophy. I am making no religious claim, only a philosophical one.
There is reams of evidence. I mean tons.
This isn’t a spectator sport, you want to know you got to put in the work.
I would prefer people say they don’t care rather than they don’t know. It is knowable, if you put in the work. The information is out there one merely has to be willing to read stuff and think on there own.
I realize people are scared shitless of certainty, rightly so, there is very little you can know for sure. But when the arguments are so undeniably irrefutable what choice do I have? Be polite? Give in to peer pressure? I can’t do that. That would be a lie for the sake of being polite.
I am curious about roaches. I HATE roaches. It’s on my list of questions.
What I am saying is that the arguments are right and despite objections, there has not been any refutations. That’s important. And in studying the arguments, they cannot be refuted. The best minds in the worlds history have tried.and asked some good questions, but refuted? No.
I simply want the people who care about the topic to do the research. I am sure you remember the days when I would provide it. Not this time. I don’t have hours to write a treatise that most people wouldn’t read but 2 lines of. But if you care about the topic, the info is readily available.
I am not making a religious claim, this is pure logic, pure philosophy. What you may think after that is up to the individual.
I have listened to Muslim, Chistian, deists, and Jewish apologists. All of them make the same arguments. Either the Cosmological Argument from Contingency or the Moral Argument.
Ever see Christopher Hitchens left speachless? Refusing to even take his last opportunity to rebut?
The is a debate between Dr. Craig and Hitchens. Hitchens got destroyed and he knew it. It’s on youtube.
After that, when he spoke he gave some credence to deism and atheism in the same sentence.
If you have a.couple hours the debate is worth listening to.
Sam Harris call Craig the only person that puts the fear of God in to his fellow atheists.
All I meant to say was that if you think 0-1=-1 is “proving a negative” than you have proven yourself incapable of coherently evaluating logical arguments.
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That is the argument you are using. You are saying something exists without any evidence, and because nobody can disprove your silly thing it is proven. That’s not how it works, and is just as silly as Russell’s teapot.
You were not able to defend the argument in the two threads dedicated to the subject. Anybody can go read those if they want, but saying they have never been refuted is pure nonsense.
Couldn’t let this nonsense go, considering the latest from Stephen Hawking and others on the subject. He specifically addresses Kant when talking about the origins of the universe (or multi-verse, does that fit into your theory?). We simply don’t know, and just because we don’t know does not mean that God did it.
http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-origin-of-the-universe.html
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Did Stalin, who had once been training to becone a priest, think he was god, because he sure acted like it.
And communism is a religion.
Like trying to prove god exists?
People are not scared of certainty. That is a very strange observation to make. People are uncomfortable with uncertainty, and that’s where religion enters. Be it a secular religion or one based on the supernatural.
Ahem. You mean trying to prove a god may have existed at the creation of the universe tyvm.
If only you understood basic logic you’d know we have proven gods existence. Duh.
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Once. Key word. THen he routinely had them imprisoned. Why would you ask if Stalin claimed to be god? Aren’t you implying he had? Seems like your burden to prove that one.
Communism is a socio-economic system. .
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See how it gets stuck on theism, though? What about evil (like my previous example). Inherent rights. So on, so forth. Never seem to be debated with as much intensity, yet are no more falsifiable.
Rape is evil.
We have an inherent right to life.