What's your Free-Testosterone?

Did you know The human head weighs 8 pounds? Lets derail this thread… on a more Testosteroney note, Rich Froning was interviewed during a podcast a few days ago. During the interview, he states how he has been following an intermittent fasting diet recently. One of the benefits he claims is that during his latest bloodwork his TT levels were up around 800, while he previously always came in around 450-500. Forget arguing the merits of intermittent fasting and just focus on the peek inside his numbers we get here…

This guy is arguably one of the fittest men to ever walk the earth. He can clean and jerk 365, squat 450, run a 5:15 mile, sprint, climb, throw, and do it all day longer than anyone. 4 time individual crossfit games champion, team champion. So this guy spent most of his life with a 450-500 total T? Adonis body, crushing every physical task thats ever been thrown at him. Turned himself into a millionaire fitness king. Anyway, this guy could run circles around olympians from the 1950’s. Its not all about T fellas. Thought this was interesting and this thread is getting lost in the woods.

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In your poll, what exactly does “symptom free” mean? And is it left up to the individual responding to the poll to decide if he is symptom free?

Right. But diabetes was there still. You might want to specify the type of diabetes.

@blizzardtest you’re right. It is not all about T levels. It just sure as hell helps lol! Imagine this same guy with 1500 total (which isn’t that big of a deal).

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It’s the food man, my family used to cook whole foods in the 70’s for every meal, now everyone is eating TV dinners or food that is packed with preservatives quick and easy to prepare. Go to a supermarket, 90% of the food is the problem, SUGAR is in everything!

Now typical man sits at a desk at work, then comes home and crashes, grabs unhealthy food winds down before bed. The food and lifestyle is a big part of the problem, everyone at work eats badly. Now when someone asks me if I want a piece of cake, the guy is extremely obese (490 lbs) and is going to be dead in a matter of 20 years and doesn’t even know it!

I try to tell him and he looks at me like I’m some healthy crazy nut. I don’t eat any of that poison at work, there are bowls of candy everywhere. I have talk to management about creating a healthy work environment.

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Yeah. The average diet and portion sizes have gone completely insane compared to 1950’s, I don’t think anyone can disagree with that. I usually get 2 or 3 meals out of an entree at most restaurants these days, or me and the wife will split one and we still have leftovers sometimes. No wonder the whole country is fat.

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Well, I’d say specially in north america. Your cup sizes are so big that you cannot use european cars cupholders (hopefully thats the name?).

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Try overeating on healthy food like fruits and vegetables, literally impossible. It’s junk food that’s easy to overeat through empty calories.

Best thing for the country would be to incentive people to make good choices. Basic example would be making junk food more expensive than it should be through an added tax, and using that spread to directly fund lowering the cost of healthy food. This would be better than giving everyone $1000 a month where they’ll just spend it on more junk food and bad decisions.

I remember (vaguely) at some point in the early 70s my parents being outraged at the price of sugar. That was presumably before High Fructose Corn Syrup came along. Chemically there is little difference between HFCS and regular old sucrose but the effect it had on the price of sweeteners and how much is used in food is, I suspect, dramatic.

Man I remember when I lived in Germany and I would order a coffee and they would bring this tiny little cup and you had to pay for refills! I’d drink 4-5 of them. Actually my grandparents’ coffee cups were those same small cups though. Today I drink coffee from a 20-oz mug though I use stevia for sweetener so I don’t add any sugar.

On the other hand, the German beer came in half liter and liter sized glasses so there is that. LOL

Atleast he puts some reasoning behind his theories and opinions and doesnt just throw completely uneducated statements out in absolutes.

I have said it before and i’ll say it again. You can have TOO much free t (relative to total t and e2) therefore low e2 symptons will appear. Bumping up the dose can make things worse. This is not my opinion. It is biology.

Provide the evidence because this is not how it works. Demonstrate the biology in the literature. There is nothing out there that demonstrates this whatsoever.

Bro I didn’t even mention my FT, TT, nor E2 and you’re saying I have too much FT? Not sure if trolling but I’ve seen you make nonsense statements often to @dbossa as well.

He said my free T was too high… My estrogen was too high… My ratio was off… That I definitely have symptoms and not admitting them etc etc. I haven’t posted any such thing. He just pulls this stuff out of his ass like pulling a bunny out of a hat. Just invents stuff as he goes.

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Is there a site to transfer the calcs or is there an equation to work it out

Link to the site where you can calc freeT using der Vermeulen equation. T levels can be provided in nmol/l or ng/dl

http://www.issam.ch/freetesto.htm

Link to a site where you can convert T between different units

https://unitslab.com/node/136

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Please keep us updated. I’m on twice weekly and bumping my dose soon. If that doesn’t work I’m considering trying dailies. Will be interesting to hear your experience. I know @dextermorgan among many others swear by daily shots. So much of commitment to pins though…

It’s all in how you look at it. If an extra 30 secs a day made you feel the best you ever have in your life you likely would have a different outlook. If it didn’t then you wouldn’t.

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If it is their first time (as in dbossas case) then yes they definately will experience symptons both positive and negative. It takes a lot of trial and error to get it right. It would be a miracle for someone to strike it lucky with the perfect protocol right off the bat.