Much appreciated. I see my only options as bumping it slightly. If that doesn’t do it, then move to more frequent pins. Thanks again.
I honestly like your enthusiasm and you are starting to grow on me; I am sure you are a fun guy to hang out with.
You publish videos and comment in this forum with the intend to clean up with the bro science on TRT. For example the video with Dr Gordon was excellent and you seem to have a natural talent as an Interviewer.
But honestly, I hope you understand that this survey is literally the definition of bro science. It’s so full of biase that it doesn’t prove anything.
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Fair enough
Is there a poll that I COULD do that you would believe to contain more useable evidence? I just created a new one this morning asking for all men WITH symptoms to state where their free T situates. Guys seems to like filling out these polls so I can probably create a poll every day and they’d answer.
Here are the current numbers after roughly 24 hours:
0-14 3 men
15-29 33 men
30-39 23 men
40-49 8 men
50-59 5 men
60+ 22 men
94 men responded. 38% had symptom resolution with free T under 30 and 62% had symptom resolution with free T over 30.
I wonder what the average Free T is on a ‘standard’ prescription protocol. I wonder whether a number of people, who aren’t able to change their protocol but still had some symptom resolution, would be inflating one of the categories.
What is your definition of a ‘standard protocol’?
I see such a wide variety of approaches. I just zero in on the ones that appear to be actually working.
No idea, im not well educated on the subject. I just had a suspicion, based on reading about people’s interactions with their docs, that if you took the protocols prescribed nationally, and found the average dose and average free T, both would be lower than expected. If true, it might suggest that the sub 30 group in your chart is over represented, and in situations where people have taken dosing into their own hands that it would be even more than 62% that found ther symptom resolution at above 30.
My guess is that you would see much lower free T that what my poll indicated because most doctors out there are prescribing insufficient levels of testosterone to simply get men ‘in the clinical range’. I’ve seen cases of guys having 200 total T, their docs get them to 350 and then claim that they are now normal.
This is why I simply cannot rely on what the rest of the world is doing. Most of them have a lot of catching up to do. I ask the men who claim to be symptom free what THEY are doing.
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@marcus007 when I was on 100mg a week, split to daily Injections, my total T was 640, and free T was 22, and I still felt like shit, I’ve now been on 150mg a week split into daily for 8 weeks and still not feeling well. I will get more labs in a few weeks, but I’m sure my free T is higher than it was, and still doesn’t seem to be enough, so you probably do need more, and I’m hoping that’s my issue as well. Hopefully I’ll be joining the 200mg a week club, but we shall see.
I kept raising and raising slowly over a LONG period of time. We’re talking 10mg a week. All the way up to 200mg a week over the course of 3 YEARS and I still had issues. Only once I began to understand this stuff and used a more logical approach I got my issue figured out.
Do you have an idea how many of them use an AI?
The most telling thing about that poll is to look at the groupings. Below 40ng/dL groupings make sense. Then there is a gap between 40-60ng/dL…then this huge jump in the 60+ng/dL category! Statistical nonsense. So much bias. That group has self selected a skewed representation of men with very high free T. And I’m guessing they are amongst the most active in the group posting(maybe responding to polls??).
What I see in those poll numbers is that the largest group doing the best is in the category between 15-29ng/dL. Which follows with what biology would predict and what a person trying to balance a positive health outcome should look to achieve.
@blizzardtest I believe you are the one being biased here. I simply reported the poll, nothing more. You are quick to dismiss all the guys at 60 and above because you say ‘it’s too much’. What I’m saying is that there are quite a lot of men out there that need to get their free T levels way higher than what most people are doing to attain symptom resolution and that poll demonstrated it. I’m not saying anything beyond that.
You can do a poll here too. Easy to do
@dbossa i’m looking at the poll numbers objectively, and the results point to a biased population. I’m not invalidating anyone over 60 free T and saying they are lying or don’t exist or shouldnt continue doing what they’re doing. But scientifically the poll is rubbish.
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OK, put together what you believe would be a good poll, post it here and we can discuss it, tweak it if necessary, and the post it.
Maybe do it the same way and see how different the results will be.
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The actual numbers can be all over the place, it’s very individual.
When I first started I was put on 200mg e2w.
At trough I had total t of 296ng/dl & freeT of 6.8 ng/dl. Provider was happy because I was in range the whole time, I was stunned when told that. Might have felt okish for a couple of days after the injection but not very well after that.
We adjusted the dose frequency to 150 mg e10d
Brought trough up to @450 total & 8.5 free, still feel like shit. Adjust again, still won’t up the dose I finally decide to switch providers just the frequency to 100mg e7d. I decide to swich providers, because come on… I actually dI video the dose so 50mg e3.5d or so and at consult with Defy trough is up to 567 and free is 13.1. Still dont feel,well, they bump me to 150 mg 50mg MWF that was a bit over a month ago. Haven’t done blood work yet. Feel maybe slightly better but still feel don’t feel all that good so may discuss a dose bump at follow-up, but we’ll see.
Everything so far could be considered standard within the entire spectrum of trt.
Right now, 63% of the people in the new poll who have symptoms have their free T below 30.
What is MOST important here, for ANY poll you choose to do, is to poll the people who are symptom free. I’m sure we can at least agree on that.