What's with Suicide???

having dealt/dealing with depression for about 4-6 years now, i went through a year phase of just merely thinking about death but never actually had the mindset of wanting to die, well because i knew there were things in life to look foward to(being in 7th grade at the time, it was sex haha and boy was i right…) Anyways. Alot of people here are saying dont leave them alone, or you have to think positive.

While this may work for some, for me, i needed the isolation. I didnt want jack shit to do with interacting with others, every attempt to make me smile that didnt succeed, friends took as ‘o hes mad at me right now, dont piss off nate’ while it was actually; i really dont want to talk, im not in a good mood, let me be. For me, i really dont even know how to explain the phases of ups and downs.

I recently suffered a pretty bad low period for the past month or two and just these past couple weeks have i been feeling back to myself, lots of energy excitement and such. Being alone, thinking, and the right music has been my best bet for now, and just talking to one person i trust as i do not share my feelings blah blah blah with most people, you really need the right ‘release’ valve to help.

^^^ Many who suffer from depression have a tendency to withdraw into themselves, this is much a personality trait and is good for say just over half the time…but the other 20-50% or so of the time does need to be filled with other human interaction (whether you feel like it or not).

It’s ok saying that you want to be on your own when much of the time you have no other option but to see others (e.g. parents, siblings, acquaintances at work/school)…but if you live on your own, live rurally (out in the countryside), are self employed or whatever (where you see fewer people)…that’s not good if you don’t have much social interactions.

Besides, there will always be a time when you DO want to socialise or talk and open up more, but if you spent most of your life withdrawn, where is your support network? If you NEVER open up, or talk to close ones, how would you feel? Of course, you have ONE or two close friends, but you need to widen out. Don’t put all your eggs in one basket. What if something where to happen to your friend? What if he moved? etc…

[quote]its_just_me wrote:

[quote]clinton131 wrote:
On a lighter note, if you can call it that, I have kind of a funny story to share while we are on the topic of suicidal people. I am a LE Officer and was called to the scene of a subject threatening to jump from a three story building in the city that I work. When I arrived I found the guy, who I estimated to be in his early twenties, sitting on the roof with his legs dangling over the edge. A large crowd of people had gathered at the base of the building and were attempting to talk him down.

After moving the crowd back I attempted to engage the subject in conversation and get him talking. This guy would not say a word and sat there as if he was in his own little world, completely emotionless. He would not acknowledge anything that I or anyone else would say to him, let alone that we were even there. I went down a checklist in my mind of everything I could think of to get a response out of the guy such as if he had family, friends, priests, pastors, etc…that he would be willing to speak with.

Again, absolutely no response from the subject. To top things off the local radio station was playing Van Halen’s “Jump” and numerous cars kept driving by with their radios cranked. I found out later that someone had called into the station and made them aware of the situation that was going on downtown and requested the song.

In the meantime we placed several officers on the roof of the building along with a mental health worker. When the mental health worker approached the subject she offered a cigarette to him. The subject promptly took the cigarette from her, crushed it in his hand, and threw it over the edge of the building. He then moved away from her and scooted forward as if he was going to jump.

At this point the only thing I could think of to say to the guy was “Your not high enough to kill yourself. The only thing you are going to do is bust yourself up real good and it is going to hurt bad.” The subject then turned and looked at me, looked up and down as if he was sizing up the building he was getting ready to jump from, and scooted back from the edge. The other officers that were already on the roof then grabbed the subject and wrestled him away from the edge, secured him, and transported him to our local hospital for a mental evaluation.

Later that day I was asked to speak with the doctor who was conducting the mental evaluation. He asked for my account of what had occurred for his report due to the fact that he was going to involuntary commit the subject to a mental hospital. The doctor told me that the only statement that he could get out of the guy was that “he needed to find a taller building next time.”

I am not sure what happened to the guy after being admitted to the mental hospital. Frankly, I have my doubts that he is still alive today. It has been my experience that most suicidal subjects that respond in this fashion really do intend on killing themselves and eventually do succeed. The ones that call 9-1-1 and announce that they are going to kill themselves are the ones that really don’t want to die and are merely crying out for help.[/quote]

Interesting experience. I’ll know what to say to someone about to jump now!

I have to add though (since your last paragraph reminded me of that statement “cry for help”) - that whether it is just a cry for help or not, that 100% of the time you still have to take it seriously (not sure about the 9-1-1 calls, just meaning people that you know in general who many just brush off as attention seekers).

About 2-3 weeks ago, the guy (in the OP) “threatened” his girlfriend with suicide (if she broke up with him again), but friends told her to stay clear of him and ignore him since he was just manipulating her and crying for attention…a few weeks later he hung himself.[/quote]

I agree. Every threat of suicide should be taken seriously. I will be honest and say, at least in my line of work, it can be difficult to take it seriously sometimes though. Especially after you run on the same people over and over again and each time you go through the same motions: The suicidal subject calls 9-1-1, or tells a family member that they are suicidal who then in turn calls 911. We arrive on scene, talk to the suicidal and get them to admit to the fact that they are suicidal. They are then transported the hospital for an evaluation. A lot of times the “mental health professionals” release these people back onto the streets before we can even complete the paperwork. They determine that the subject is “not a threat to themselves or others”. It gets frustrating but you still have to take their threats seriously.

For example we had one subject who would call all the time. When we would respond we often times found that she would have self inflicted superficial lacerations to her wrists. We would go through the above described motions. This went on for years, several times a month. We were on a first name basis with the subject and she was always very pleasant with us when we would arrive. One day we got one of these “routine” calls from her and when we arrived I found her dead in her bathtub. She had slashed her wrists with a razor blade. The wounds on both wrists were approx. 8 inches long and an inch deep. She obviously meant to kill herself that time.

Like you say every threat has to be taken seriously.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]its_just_me wrote:
That’s some rough stories Teledin and Stern.

Some people get quite angry when it happens to them (relative/loved one takes their lives).

I can relate to the sexuality thing causing severe in-ward trouble. My brother “came out” about 6 years ago when he was 17 years old - really difficult thing to do when you’re from a very strict religious background. There were some times when I had to talk to him because of suicidal phases. He still hasn’t acted on his sexuality yet and likely won’t…especially while living at home with my parents.[/quote]

Sorry to nitpick…but he’s 23 and living with the parents? Now THAT would make me suicidal. [/quote]

This is actually standard in Singapore. I know guys who moved out at 26 when they got married. I know guys who are 32 and still live with their parents. The 2 years of National Service here, and the two years in Junior College/Poly before College, is part of it, but still…

You need to get hitched to buy an apartment here. Failing that, it’s either a house/condo or rent. Most dudes say fuck it and stay at home.

My point here is… FML.

[quote]CopingMechanism wrote:

[quote]koleah wrote:

[quote]Blaze_108 wrote:
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I’ve had this EXACT thought. Love it. Fuck people that want to kill themselves. If they channel it right, they can attempt (and probably achieve) anything, because their other option inherently has a 100% death rate.[/quote]

I had a close friend who took his life many years ago. A first Gulf War veteran. A man whom I had know since childhood. He was suffering with PTSD which included recurring nightmares to the point where he couldnt sleep for more than two hour spurts at a time; and numerous other health complications, including being in almost chronic pain from back injuries sustained from a helicopter crash. He had also seen the breakdown of his marriage, lost his job and had been forced onto living on disability. His quality of life was zero. I knew he was severy depressed, perhpas even more so than usual, during the last and final time we spoke when we met up for beers, and as I sat there sympathetically inquiring about medications, and wether or not they were working, and as he described then his suffering in more and more succinct detail, I suddenly felt a wave of upset come over me at the realisation that I was utterly powerless to help my friend.

Bill hung himslef one early October day in 1994. I believe it was a Tuesday. About three weeks after we last met.

His apartment’s maintanence manager discovered his body some two weeks later when some of the other residents complained about a stench in the hallway…

It really is a damn shame that you, and that other teenager (I assume you are of similar age and maturity), were not there to give that him pep talk. I’m sure that you, with your enduring and wordly insights, could have convinced him to man up and ‘channel it right’. It’s also a shame you also couldn’t of given your opinion to his family, or some of the members from his old unit. I’m sure the choice words of your generalisation would have gone down well with them.

Understand, suicide, like most other facets of human behaviour, is staggering complex. Perhaps, it would seem, too complex for your average American.

With this in mind, simplisitc and infantile chastisisms like - “It’s a selfish act”, “It’s the cowards way out”, “How could they do that to their family”, “It it never an option” - demonstrate not only a grand failure in logic and perspective, but also a thouroughly self-serving, and therefore illegitimate deduction.

If any of you who so readily demonize suicidality would actually have the perspectivity to go beyond your socially conditioned prejudices and do some reading into the biology, psychology and sociology of the subject, you might find yourself with a slightly more encompassing and empathetic viewpoint.

Also understand, and this is the most salient point I wish to get across, suicide is rarely chosen, nor often do the suicide wish to really die. It primarily a result of when aggreagated pains exceed available coping resources. The suicidal want to negate that pain, and when coping resources on offer in their social sphere fail to deliever, then cessation of mortality and consciousness, (and therefore suffering) becomes a viable option.

Sometimes it is indeed a failure of rationalism and perspective on their part, to see the real, viable alternatives, and a mistaken view of permanace to their current circumstances. These are the more tragic cases where adequate counsel and a realistic inventory of problems could have led to mitigation of the feelings of powerlessness that permeate suicidal thinking. Other times it is the end of result of cold, relaisation that life is indeed not worth living, becasue there will only be more misery and pain, and that misery and pain will outstrip the capaacity to feel or recieve any joy.

It is our great American cultural myth, that one has and should be able to draw upon limitless amounts of stoicism, and that one always has the personal volition to change one’s circumstances for the better, if only they are motivated enough. Anyone who has experienced the more sinister side of life or visited some darker corners of the globe knows that life is far more random and cruel that we would ever like to admit. Some people truly get dealt a shitty deck even in a materially opulant sociey such as ours; and whilst certainly due to genetics, upbrining and social resources, some are better at dealing with the arrows that our inevitabley slung at us in life, none of us are invincible. There is a breaking point for all of us, some reach it earlier than others. That’s why the “his/her problems werent that bad” (the ones that were of been apparent to you, the onlooler, at least) becomes redundant. Everyone has a breaking under accrued weight, and what broke the camels back was just that - the final blow. That breakup, job loss or something as innocuous as a broken fan belt was just part of a long line of accrued and (more than likely) silent miseries, so for blaming a suicide on a persons lack of will in respoinse to an apparent circumstnace, is incredibly short-sighted.

I miss Bill.

Before things got bad for him - before Saddam invaded Kuwait, before that chopper suffered a rudder failure and crashed, before his wife couldnt deal with him waking up screaming in the middle of the night, before it hurt Bill too much climb a step-ladder to repair a light fitting - he was warm, optimistic a pleasure to be around. The type of friend you could count on at a moments notice to help you out. I would very much like to him again. I’d like to drink some Sam Adams on my back porch with him, or go lift as we we did in our first forays into the weightroom in high school, or just cruise around in my car like we did as teenagers checking out the girls.
I also know that my friend was suffering physically and mentally in such a way that I feel no human should have to go through. He had endured enough bad luck and misfortune as far as any realisitc person would agree with.

It was dissapointment after dissapointment as one medication would improve one symptom for his complications but give him two extra side effects. The guy couldn’t get a fucking break. Am I upset that my freind committed suicde? Yes, to this day. Did I, along with his family members, feel such terrible greif, anger and guilt when he passed? Yes, also to this day. I am in the back of my mind, also relieved that he is no longer suffering, that he no longer has to go through the agony of another day?, that is also an unequivocal yes too.[/quote]

There was a suicide thread sometime ago where I argued that it was indeed selfish and ‘cowardly’ in select contexts. Your post counters every single point I made and makes me feel like a cunt.

Thank you, for this brilliantly worded and well thought out post.

i wonder, when people kill themselves, where do they think they are going? do they think its just over? theres nothing? or do they think theyre going onto something better? are they just not sure and wanna take the chance? who knows that if something comes after death that its not worse than what they are experiencing in life? or, what if there really is no point to it all? what if life is one big joke? what if there is something better waiting for all of us?

i suffered from some form of depression after i broke up with my gf. for the first time in my life i had anxiety attacks and thought deeply about suicide. not in the sense that i was ready to put a gun to my head, but i actually genuinely sympathised with ppl who killed themselves. u just think, what the fuck is the point of it all? food doenst taste good anymore. you are numb to the things that u once enjoyed. you think, misery is inevitable. death is inevitable. decay of mind and body is inevitable. but then, on the other hand, when u get your head back to ‘normal’, its exciting to think about what life could be. the things that could happen, realisations, achievements beyond what you ever imagined, revelations, loves, moments. at the end of the day, we’re all gonna go eventually. it could be heaven, it could be hell, it could be nothing. so why not do what we can while we’ve still go this life?

end of rambling

[quote]belligerent wrote:
I don’t buy into this concept of depression as a medical condition.[/quote]

Then you’ve obviously never had anyone close to you have clinical depression.

[quote]imhungry wrote:

[quote]belligerent wrote:
I don’t buy into this concept of depression as a medical condition.[/quote]

Then you’ve obviously never had anyone close to you have clinical depression.

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That’s the sort of thing I used to think when I was at school (that it’s not medical…all you need is a bit of sunshine and a good night out lol).

That is, until I experienced it. Plus, my mother had a mini stroke which triggered extreme depression/anxiety. Was in hospital for 2 years, COMPLETELY changed her personality (in the past she has never even dreamed of taking her own life, but ‘attempted’ it dozens of times over this period)