If between pamabrom and caffeine, pamabrom.
Prior to that, zero sugar, zero dairy, zero gluten. Other options, B6 300mg, Juniper Berry 800-1200mg.
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Dude…get yourself some Masterson Dipropionate and do 150mg/week. I’m on like week 10 doing daily shots and it’s been fucking amazing in every way. Zero water weight (actually gives you that dried out, skin on muscle look that looks amazing when you are lean). It makes your libido go through the roof and just makes you feel good altogether. What I love about it is it’s not overboard like you don’t gain 20 lbs you just look like a perfect human specimen. I got my bloods back the other day and at 150mg cholesterol barely budged so that’s a plus. It basically does what Winstrol did for me but without all the horrible side effects and with the addition of several positive ones. With you in the shape you’re in right now you would look fucking killer. I’m in love with the stuff.
Your gym looks great but your wife is an 11. I can give you my cardio plan. It’s 2-3 hours a night 7 days a week of pure stamina with an emphasis on rolling your core on the back-stroke so the head hits her g-spot. Put a towel under her cause the faucet is going to overflow. If you weren’t already married she’d be buying you a ring tomorrow.
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Hahahaha! This was epic lol! Masteron and primobolan are on my to do list at one point. Small doses just like this are more than enough if you’re eating and training hard. Everyone thinks you need crazy high doses of everything. I’ve picked up a lot of old school bodybuilder guys as friends and they tell me about the baby doses they used to use. Stuff like 2mg winstrol tabs taken 3 to 4 times a day. But these guys were training 4 hours a day, 7 days a week most of the time. I’m not the type of guy to do a full-on cycle but I’m open to doing a touch of this or a touch of that in addition to my trt. I’m more of a slow and steady wins the race type of guy. I have no interest in blowing up like a balloon or getting jacked with 30 or 40 lb of muscle.
How do you feel in terms of well being and general overall like mood, ability to focus and etc when you are using high doses and other anabolics now? Are there moments when you feel like its too much?
500mg feels just about the same as 200mg. I can’t really tell if I feel any different and if I do it’s basically not enough to be super noticeable. With higher doses I just look different really. There’s more of a difference between 100mg and 200mg than there is for 200mg and 500mg (for me at least). It’s one of those things where what you expect and what you actually experience are very different. I can’t comment on how more than 500mg feels though.
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Masteron Proprionate. It’s definitely Mast Prop. I’m not preparing for any rodeos outside the bedroom of course.
Couple comments here. Adding Nandrolone, Mast, Var, Primo etc at any dose is cycling. Hell some guys cycle on 250-300mg/wk only with moderate results. Point being adding a drug over your TRT for a short period of time to enhance you physically is the definition of a cycle.
I agree that it doesn’t take a lot though for great results. Hell its what I’ve done the past couple years. A little bump in my TRT and some mast or other in the low range. I’ve learned though that legit TRT is 95% as good as cycling. To set expectations, you won’t gain 30-40lbs on the average moderate cycle over TRT. Maybe 5-15 depending on your frame and starting size and it won’t be all muscle. You’ll pretty much lose it too in short order and revert back to your TRT size. It’s why I find myself dissuading people more and more these days.
In summary like what @dextermorgan does and pretty much do the same. But I’m honest and call it what it is. Kudos to your awesome physique changes @dbossa. I haven’t tried the recommended diet but I think it’s more my motivation issue. I WANT to be leaner but not so much to put that much effort LOL.
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Totally agree with you, to be clear. What I want to say is I have no interst whatsoever in doing the typical 600mg deca, 500 test, with 50mg dbols and all this other stuff. Zero interest. Just small additions here and there, in very low doses, from time to time. No more than that for me. My health is of concern, and rightfully so.
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Agreed… We’re going WAY off topic here…
I deeed not have hormonal relations with that substance
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If I remenber right you have reached the point of being so big that you can’t keep any of your cycle gains once you go back to TRT? Guessing you never solved that dilemma?
I have so a long winded answer I may try tomorrow when I’m in front of the keyboard. Long story short without frequently cycling and taking more aggressive compounds / doses you don’t push past your new plateau. Almost everybody I know that cycles loses almost all gained physique onace ceasing. For me that’s always reverting to my peak TRT look and body weight. Honestly while moderately cycling I can only gain at most 8-10lbs over my TRT weight. Same body comp so part fat gains too. I just don’t see the risks to my health being worth it for such a modest change.
Edit. I do want to note my low T to TRT transformation was dramatic. I worked out for 20 years before starting TRT at a 5 day week training regimen. I was pretty strong but my body comp suffered. Post TRT bf dropped 2-3% and I gained 15 pleasing pounds.
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Some of you folks really have no issues handling higher dosage and levels. I dont think I will be like that.
I have a friend here who is a hyper responder. He takes 250mg sustanon weekly split in EOD and his total t is almost 4000. He says “im awesome, im optimized” 
The problem is people go into something with certain expectations and then find ways to make those expectations reality. Chances are you’ll respond like everyone else and won’t notice anything major at a higher than current dosage.
When I started TRT I read about people dealing with high estrogen problems so I went in expecting that and that’s what I got. When I realized it was retarded I magically no longer had those issues. Save yourself some misery and learn from others mistakes.
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To be honest Im not planning to do it for various reasons just wanna optimize myself. These ate only contemplations but still for my personal experience I believe there is too much ok anything if we talk about well being, not chasing results
So true, in life, you often find what you are looking for.
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10000%
Funny story I’ve never told here and mostly forgot about.
The year was 2008 and my brother was taking plenty of steroids and got swole af. I wanted to be cool like my brother so I started taking something like 500mg/week. One shot a week for 12 weeks. I didn’t know about any potential side effects. Didn’t know what an AI was. Didn’t know T even increased e2. Didn’t do any PCT. Never felt all that awful either.
You can probably guess how many side effects I had. Zero high e2 issues. No man boobs. No gyno. Zero anxiety or any other issues. Well, my balls shrunk and kept trying to go up all crazy like, but that’s besides the point.
The mind is a powerful thing I suppose.
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That was us in the '70s.
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The physicians I deal with tell me the same. The vast majority of the patients are uneducated on this stuff and don’t know what any of this stuff is. None of them have ‘high E2 issues’.
When I was obsessed with my AI dose I always had either ‘high E2 issues’ or ‘low E2 issues’.
When I stopped the AI and optimized my protocol, as I simply wasn’t taking enough nor was I taking it often enough, I suddenly didn’t have ‘high E2 issues’, yet my E2 was higher than it was before.
This is almost always the case with men. Even then they can’t understand why they suddenly feel better and can’t understand the higher number.
The fear of E2 is, by far, the biggest brainwashing experience in the TRT world that some men are simply unable to unlearn. Those are typically the ones that stay in these forums complaining of their symptoms yet won’t change their strategy.
Confirmation bias at its finest.
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