Sorry guys, I was totally joking mentioning myself in that list:)))… I am surprised you didn’t attack me for not being humble:)… Some guys write valid opinions and ideas, but not on regular basis… I know that lifting heavy weights for combat sports is a vulnerable topic where lots of otherwise wise people fail miserably:)) peace
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
Sorry guys, I was totally joking mentioning myself in that list:)))… I am surprised you didn’t attack me for not being humble:)… Some guys write valid opinions and ideas, but not on regular basis… I know that lifting heavy weights for combat sports is a vulnerable topic where lots of otherwise wise people fail miserably:)) peace [/quote]
I don’t think anybody got mad because of it. Whether you meant it or not it was a side note anyway. Fortunately, most people in this section will argue about advice but not about stuff like this. No harm done.
[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
Sorry guys, I was totally joking mentioning myself in that list:)))… I am surprised you didn’t attack me for not being humble:)… Some guys write valid opinions and ideas, but not on regular basis… I know that lifting heavy weights for combat sports is a vulnerable topic where lots of otherwise wise people fail miserably:)) peace [/quote]
I don’t think anybody got mad because of it. Whether you meant it or not it was a side note anyway. Fortunately, most people in this section will argue about advice but not about stuff like this. No harm done.[/quote]
Oh yes:) people argue about “stuff like that” as well:)) it’s not about harm anyway… it’s about fun:)
I’m surprised nobody has mentioned misreading somebodies weight. I’ve seen smaller look bigger and bigger look smaller on more than one occasion
Antonio = SKELAC by chance?
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
I’m surprised nobody has mentioned misreading somebodies weight. I’ve seen smaller look bigger and bigger look smaller on more than one occasion
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Doesn’t matter, if they aren’t polite and aggressive knock them out, then kick their head, and find out later who is really big, and who just looks big but is actually small. I am serious.
[quote]treco wrote:
Antonio = SKELAC by chance?
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my friend, what is “skelac”??? the guy from other forums that you know, or what?
[quote]Melvin Smiley wrote:
Conversation I had with my brother when we were drilling triangle defense. I’ve had more training and organized fights by a long shot, but he’s a combat vet and has seen life and death on a daily basis that I’ve never been close to:
Bro: “What are you gonna do when he bites your balls?”
Me: “Dude, who would bite someone’s balls in a fight?”
Bro: “Hey, if it’s get out of the triangle or go to sleep, I’m gonna bite your fuckin balls OFF.”
It seems funny, but I don’t think he was really joking lol[/quote]
Although I get the general point, someone can’t bite your balls if they are being triangled.
[quote]humble wrote:
Biting? Any day of the week. Grab a cheek, finger in eye socket, tearing ears off, kicking the fuck out of balls until they’re in their stomach… all fair game on the street. [/quote]
That isn’t exactly true. Fair does not exist however the law does.
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Melvin Smiley wrote:
Conversation I had with my brother when we were drilling triangle defense. I’ve had more training and organized fights by a long shot, but he’s a combat vet and has seen life and death on a daily basis that I’ve never been close to:
Bro: “What are you gonna do when he bites your balls?”
Me: “Dude, who would bite someone’s balls in a fight?”
Bro: “Hey, if it’s get out of the triangle or go to sleep, I’m gonna bite your fuckin balls OFF.”
It seems funny, but I don’t think he was really joking lol[/quote]
Although I get the general point, someone can’t bite your balls if they are being triangled. [/quote]
They can bite your leg and grab your balls and try to rip them off. One is just as bad as the other.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
They can bite your leg and grab your balls and try to rip them off. One is just as bad as the other.[/quote]
Nope, not if you tighten it up. If you merely lock those legs up and allow your opponent to posture etc. however, well, yeah you’re fucked.
Well, actually you’d be fucked anyway for attempting a triangle in any situation where you’d be concerned about someone biting your balls.
[quote]rundymc wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
They can bite your leg and grab your balls and try to rip them off. One is just as bad as the other.[/quote]
Nope, not if you tighten it up. If you merely lock those legs up and allow your opponent to posture etc. however, well, yeah you’re fucked.
Well, actually you’d be fucked anyway for attempting a triangle in any situation where you’d be concerned about someone biting your balls.[/quote]
I depends on how early into the technique they see it/how explosively and deceptively you set it up. If they recognize it early it’s pretty easy to catch the leg that is coming across the neck and sink your teeth in. If they don’t and you’ve already got the legs locked up then yeah, pretty tough to bite without posturing first.
[quote]treco wrote:
It’s surprising to me that with MMA on air for 20 years, that anyone would think that large, tattoo, shaved head, etc automatically means fighting/death machine. I guess it is just self preservation to attempt to size up your surroundings.
To OP - the larger caliber I have in vicinity, the smaller the guy gets in my eyes haha[/quote]
But didn’t MMA also deal some heavy blows to myth that size doesn’t matter. It didn’t take long for the open-weight stuff to go away, because the mediocre heavyweight who is gassed after a minute still has plenty of time to obliterate their featherweight opponent.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]rundymc wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
They can bite your leg and grab your balls and try to rip them off. One is just as bad as the other.[/quote]
Nope, not if you tighten it up. If you merely lock those legs up and allow your opponent to posture etc. however, well, yeah you’re fucked.
Well, actually you’d be fucked anyway for attempting a triangle in any situation where you’d be concerned about someone biting your balls.[/quote]
I depends on how early into the technique they see it/how explosively and deceptively you set it up. If they recognize it early it’s pretty easy to catch the leg that is coming across the neck and sink your teeth in. If they don’t and you’ve already got the legs locked up then yeah, pretty tough to bite without posturing first.[/quote]
I am with Sento here.
Depending on the skill of the person setting up the triangle the “time for teeth” could be a second, or a surprisingly long time.
Once the triangle is sunk though trying to bite is likely to make it worse. Moving your jaw towards their crotch is going to be making things tighter. Posture is going to be the order of the day at that point. You may be able to do an “oil check” with your non-triangled hand, but that is a maybe, and may compromise balance. Additionally, I wouldn’t want to remind the person triangling me that gouging is an option, unless it was for something good.
I would, and am, more inclined to try to posture and then escape. If the non-triangled arm gets to make a play on the eyes while doing this, so much the better.
Really, just be aware of any technique where your partner can tap out on your forehead, inner thigh, or cup(if wearing one) and realize things might have gone sportier if there was no ref.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Melvin Smiley wrote:
Conversation I had with my brother when we were drilling triangle defense. I’ve had more training and organized fights by a long shot, but he’s a combat vet and has seen life and death on a daily basis that I’ve never been close to:
Bro: “What are you gonna do when he bites your balls?”
Me: “Dude, who would bite someone’s balls in a fight?”
Bro: “Hey, if it’s get out of the triangle or go to sleep, I’m gonna bite your fuckin balls OFF.”
It seems funny, but I don’t think he was really joking lol[/quote]
Although I get the general point, someone can’t bite your balls if they are being triangled. [/quote]
They can bite your leg and grab your balls and try to rip them off. One is just as bad as the other.[/quote]
In the interest of comedy:
So in this thread titled “How big is big?”, we are debating the opportunity and technique of getting our hands and mouths onto another man’s manhood, yes?
I posted the first reply and now there is track lighting in my living room and I feel like I need fashionable jeans.
True Story.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
[quote]treco wrote:
It’s surprising to me that with MMA on air for 20 years, that anyone would think that large, tattoo, shaved head, etc automatically means fighting/death machine. I guess it is just self preservation to attempt to size up your surroundings.
To OP - the larger caliber I have in vicinity, the smaller the guy gets in my eyes haha[/quote]
But didn’t MMA also deal some heavy blows to myth that size doesn’t matter. It didn’t take long for the open-weight stuff to go away, because the mediocre heavyweight who is gassed after a minute still has plenty of time to obliterate their featherweight opponent.[/quote]
Actually, you know what, I think if you check out most of the open weight matchups and freakshow matchups in PRIDE and what not, the smaller guy almost always won.
That isn’t to say size doesn’t matter, but just interestingly I think the outcome of most of those matches was a smaller man winning.
I should point out in a lot of these cases the “smaller man” isn’t really small, they were still dudes of considerable power and size at 180lbs+ which is more than enough force to drop someone flat on their ass with a well placed strike.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
[quote]rundymc wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
They can bite your leg and grab your balls and try to rip them off. One is just as bad as the other.[/quote]
Nope, not if you tighten it up. If you merely lock those legs up and allow your opponent to posture etc. however, well, yeah you’re fucked.
Well, actually you’d be fucked anyway for attempting a triangle in any situation where you’d be concerned about someone biting your balls.[/quote]
I depends on how early into the technique they see it/how explosively and deceptively you set it up. If they recognize it early it’s pretty easy to catch the leg that is coming across the neck and sink your teeth in. If they don’t and you’ve already got the legs locked up then yeah, pretty tough to bite without posturing first.[/quote]
The thing is, we are talking about fighting someone on “the street”, not someone who knows what a triangle choke is. To expect them to see anything coming and then react appropriately is a stretch. Having said that, I don’t think it would be on my list of go to moves in a real fight but if someone did attempt one it would probably be because the guy on top has one arm in and one arm out, trying to throw a leg out of the way to pass. In other words: he isn’t even aware of the triangle in the first place. And if someone were able to posture they would simply get armbarred or there is also the teepee choke. The triangle choke has been around a long time. It has existed in many grappling arts around the world, not just Japan. It was used by old time catch wrestlers and hookers. The whole question of how vulnerable you are has been answered long ago by people who fought under extreme conditions.
And it goes both ways: one can say that they will bite or grab balls but there are two people in the fight. You can grab someone’s hair to control posture. Their face is open to eye gouging. Again, I’m not saying it’s the smartest move to try and pull off, you’re better off trying to get up or get on top when on your back, but if someone who knows how to do the technique properly is applying it then the only real defense is a technical one.
One thing about biting: it isn’t the best way to escape a submission hold. Bruce Lee bit the leg of Bob Wall (I think) in a movie to escape an armlock. In the movie Wall reacts like he has just been shot and releases the hold. In reality Lee’s arm would have been broken. If someone has your arm in a position where they can break it then biting will only make them apply enough pressure, very quickly, to break it. Royce Gracie was mounted on an opponent and choking him. He bit Royce on the ear and Royce just choked harder until he tapped and proceeded to hold the choke a little bit longer.
There’s a big man, and then there’s a big athlete. I’m scared of JJ Watt from my living room. Speaking of, let’s say Watt decided to give up football in favor of training mma full time. How long would he need to train to beat Dos Santos? 6 months? 2 years? longer?
lmao… 10 years
5 years to get over being punched in the face and 5 years to learn how to throw something back after he’s gotten over being punched in the face
[quote]cubuff2028 wrote:
There’s a big man, and then there’s a big athlete. I’m scared of JJ Watt from my living room. Speaking of, let’s say Watt decided to give up football in favor of training mma full time. How long would he need to train to beat Dos Santos? 6 months? 2 years? longer? [/quote]
If you are saying that size and athleticism is more important than technique (providing the size difference isn’t too great) I really don’t agree. If that was how it worked Brock Lesnar would still be the UFC heavyweight champion.