At this point I’m just hoping that none of the posters from the other parts of the forum make their way over here. The last thing we need to hear on repeat is a 200lb college boy explaining that because he has got big in a university gym, he is now a force to be reckoned with and can handle street violence in a way that toothpicks like me, and most of the regulars here, can only ever dream of.
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
At this point I’m just hoping that none of the posters from the other parts of the forum make their way over here. The last thing we need to hear on repeat is a 200lb college boy explaining that because he has got big in a university gym, he is now a force to be reckoned with and can handle street violence in a way that toothpicks like me, and most of the regulars here, can only ever dream of. [/quote]
That’s why I didn’t mention the original thread or posters/replies. I don’t want to dirty this awesome combat forums up with nonsense, I like it too much in here. I was looking for some EXPERIENCED perspectives haha 
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
At this point I’m just hoping that none of the posters from the other parts of the forum make their way over here. The last thing we need to hear on repeat is a 200lb college boy explaining that because he has got big in a university gym, he is now a force to be reckoned with and can handle street violence in a way that toothpicks like me, and most of the regulars here, can only ever dream of. [/quote]
That’s why I didn’t mention the original thread or posters/replies. I don’t want to dirty this awesome combat forums up with nonsense, I like it too much in here. I was looking for some EXPERIENCED perspectives haha :P[/quote]
Ye mate. You know your stuff. I doubt many of the replies have taken you by surprise.
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
[quote]WN76 wrote:
[quote]batman730 wrote:
I expect I’d call the cops, explain the situation and stay on the line with the call taker and keep them informed and follow their direction (if practical) while I found something inconspicuous to occupy myself with until the police arrived. If I could maintain visual contact without being seen myself I would do so. If there is a reasonable/innocent explanation for the situation, the police can sort that out when they arrive. We pay people with guns to come out and deal with this sort of thing. Response time where I live is around 4 minutes. I can hang tight for that long.[/quote]
This is exactly what I would do. [/quote]
Police don’t generally hurry into the area I grew up in. It’s not some kind of Mexican cartel town or anything, but it’s an area where violent crime is taken as a given, and police response time, if they do respond, would be lengthy.
If we assume they aren’t passing through, and I haven’t done anything to upset any of the known trouble makers, I’d probably still call the fuzz, lie low and wait it out, then end up staying with a mate when the Met decided they weren’t interested in responding to my complaint. [/quote]
Yea, where you live will definitely influence your action. Where I live, this would be way out of the norm. It’s also out of the norm in the residential areas I patrol, and we would go check it out in a reasonable amount of time if we weren’t busy with something more pressing.
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
At this point I’m just hoping that none of the posters from the other parts of the forum make their way over here. The last thing we need to hear on repeat is a 200lb college boy explaining that because he has got big in a university gym, he is now a force to be reckoned with and can handle street violence in a way that toothpicks like me, and most of the regulars here, can only ever dream of. [/quote]
Edited to keep certain posters out.
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
At this point I’m just hoping that none of the posters from the other parts of the forum make their way over here. The last thing we need to hear on repeat is a 200lb college boy explaining that because he has got big in a university gym, he is now a force to be reckoned with and can handle street violence in a way that toothpicks like me, and most of the regulars here, can only ever dream of. [/quote]
That’s why I didn’t mention the original thread or posters/replies. I don’t want to dirty this awesome combat forums up with nonsense, I like it too much in here. I was looking for some EXPERIENCED perspectives haha :P[/quote]
Ye mate. You know your stuff. I doubt many of the replies have taken you by surprise.[/quote]
Ha. Thanks mate. I’m not an accomplished pro fighter or anything but I try. Nope, no surprises either. Although your previous quote above made me laugh and think about the picture of Lee Morrison biting a guys ear in one of his videos and demonstrating how to tear it off if you had the opportunity in a street fight and needed a way to break and escape. There might be a youtube video somewhere, dunno. People do not fucking understand real violence. The video of the mma fighter getting clocked with a bat in this forum shows you that.
Then again, I’m not an expert myself either and I am sure I have a ton to learn about the psychology of violence and group action myself.
I realize I’m late to the party, but here goes anyhow.
First, as Bauber and London illustrated, your individual locale, reasonable distance from help/law enforcement, possesion of weapons, and the proximatey to potential collateral damage could all influence your decision making process in such a situation.
That said, my first course of action would be to call the police because:
- they are going to be involved in some capacity anyhow, might as well give them a heads up
- if things go down, there will be potential legal ramifications and I want some objective proof of what the situation was and why I was justified in using the actions that I did (yes, I realize this could be argued both ways in light of the recent Florida case, but supposing this situation, I’m fairly confident that if things went bad that I would be justified in my actions)
My second course of action would be to call my wife’s cell phone (and hope that she and my son were out shopping or somewhere other than in the house) to make sure that she was ok. If she was then I would tell her to stay away from the house until I call her to let her know it’s safe. If her car was at the house or she didn’t answer and I has reason to believe that she was in the house and in trouble, then I would be sneaking through the back yard to attempt to enter the house through either the back door or a back window (or at least to be able to gain some information about the situation and make a more informed plan of action).
If it turned out that everything was actually ok and these individuals were just randomly hanging on my front lawn (meaning me nor my family any harm), then again I would probably just try to enter the house without being noticed and wait things out till the police showed up or things changed. If on the other hand things were not ok, then the details of the situation would determine my course of action. Which would likely involve:
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me gaining access to a weapon (preferably more than one actually, and preferably both being as quite as possible to avoid alerting the others of my presence)
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me attempting to separate the group (divide and conquer) through the use of diversionary tactics/distractions so that I would not have to deal with them all at once but instead would hopefully only have to deal with at most a few at a time.
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me putting first priority on getting to and assuring the saftey of my family members ASAP
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Call a close friend to bring me a firearm and confront them. Ask why the fuck they are parked in my driveway on private property.[/quote]
Big mistake. Why escalate things? Why make it a potential life and death (yours and/or theirs and/or your family, friends and neighbors)issue by bringing a gun? A gun is a physical solution to a mental problem. Swallow your pride. Check your ego. Call the cops and save yourself a lot of potential heartache and headaches. Why bother having cops and paying taxes? Ask yourself what Sun Tzu would do. [/quote]
have to agree.
if youre gonna take an in your face response,get ready to have to move house.
what makes us all vulnerable and exposed is our familes.
even a gun isn’t an ‘equaliser’ if someone comes back after you won the initial showdown,while youre at work or wherever,and shoots up your house or worse(imo)knocks on your door.
[quote]carbiduis wrote:
You reach the bottom of your driveway and shout
WHICH ONE OF YOU MUTHFUCKAS IS TOP DOG???
(a direct challenge to each one individually driving a schism between each of them)
Eventually an individual would emerge from the group (they are so tough they don’t need to ALL approach you since you are after all ALONE)
As he approaches the bottom of the driveway you start to back up a little bit to pull him away from the group
Once he’s close you go nuts with everything you’ve got. Beat his ass so bad that you scare the group away, they will heed.
…and if not, one of your neighbors should hear you getting killed in the middle of the street and call the cops which is what you should’ve done in the first place
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Brilliant!!! lol
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
At this point I’m just hoping that none of the posters from the other parts of the forum make their way over here. The last thing we need to hear on repeat is a 200lb college boy explaining that because he has got big in a university gym, he is now a force to be reckoned with and can handle street violence in a way that toothpicks like me, and most of the regulars here, can only ever dream of. [/quote]
Hahaha!!!
Fuck that! Here I am!
On a serious note, to answer Aragon’s question; it will depend on the area I live.
Rough neighbourhood: I’ll call the fucking cops, but generally cops take longer to show up in those areas, so I’ll just go hang out at some friends or relatives’s places for a hour or so.
Middle class/upper class neighbourhood: I’ll call the cops and wait somewhere for them to deal with it. I will only do this because there are five big guys. I could deal with one or two – and by this I mean, kindly asking them to move, they’re on my property – but five is just too many to ‘‘handle’’.
[\quote] Police don’t generally hurry into the area I grew up in. It’s not some kind of Mexican cartel town or anything, but it’s an area where violent crime is taken as a given, and police response time, if they do respond, would be lengthy.
If we assume they aren’t passing through, and I haven’t done anything to upset any of the known trouble makers, I’d probably still call the fuzz, lie low and wait it out, then end up staying with a mate when the Met decided they weren’t interested in responding to my complaint. [/quote]
Having grown up and lived in London all my life (Latimer Road/Ladbroke Grove and White City/Acton) this response fascinated me. Do you mind if I ask what area of London you’re from?
[quote]Thunor wrote:
[\quote] Police don’t generally hurry into the area I grew up in. It’s not some kind of Mexican cartel town or anything, but it’s an area where violent crime is taken as a given, and police response time, if they do respond, would be lengthy.
If we assume they aren’t passing through, and I haven’t done anything to upset any of the known trouble makers, I’d probably still call the fuzz, lie low and wait it out, then end up staying with a mate when the Met decided they weren’t interested in responding to my complaint. [/quote]
Having grown up and lived in London all my life (Latimer Road/Ladbroke Grove and White City/Acton) this response fascinated me. Do you mind if I ask what area of London you’re from? [/quote]
I am from Forest Gate, and I have found a similar thing.
I like most of these responses
Surprisingly I am much like Sento in my thoughts
First I try to stay out of sight and take a quick look to see what is going on.
Next. I call the police - this is kind of their territory.
I’ve lived in nice an not so nice neighborhoods.
If you want The police to show up faster, you say your house is being broken into.
IMO it improves their response time allot
Deal with the fall hour after if all is in innocence.
Next I call text the wife to see if all is well and to sit tight.
The rest really depends on what I can see.
I work all manner of strange hours, more often it nights and I am on foot.
Most likely I try to get a good vantage point , ok hiding spot.
And see if I have to do anything foolish or not enforce the police arrive.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Ok, I want to ask the knowledgeable people here in the combat forums a question. This came up in an unrelated thread and I want to see what you all think the best course of actions are.
Situation: You are walking towards home at night and alone. You live towards the end of a street (ie. not at a residential “hub” intersection). From a distance you see a group of 5 males you clearly do not know and have no reason to know parked in your driveway, blocking your car in. They are standing very near your front porch in such a way that you could not reach your porch without getting them to move. They are talking/joking in loud voices, and there is no party at either of your neighbors’ houses. You are unarmed.
What do you do and why?[/quote]
Well, there’s two things here: one is what you SHOULD do, the other is what I WOULD do.
What I should do in that situation is keep walking past my house and call the cops from my cell phone and tell them that there’s five males on my property, and that they’d better send a cruiser over really fucking quickly.
What I WOULD do is call the cops first, tell them to send a cruiser over immediately, and then hang up, pull out anything that can be used as a weapon - I know you said I’m unarmed, but I nearly always have a knife on me so I’d pull that, or my keys if I had them, or whatever - and stand at my property line (far enough away to give me either a head start if I run or to back off and pick my target if I want to fight) and yell, “Is there a problem here?.. What? No, I just want to see what the fuck you guys are doing on my property.”
And I would go from there.
I know I should keep walking and avoid the trouble, but I’m stupid and it’s my fucking house and my fucking property, and if you’re starting trouble on it, we’re gonna have business.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
@legendaryblaze
I also thought it was amusing that the certain large dentist was telling me and the original poster of that question that I was fearful and “culturally unaware” when I likely have a much more thorough combatives background both learning/practicing and working with weekly incidents in crowded situations where it is normal to be outnumbered. It was also sad.
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I replied before I read the thread, just because I wanted my genuine response and thought process (or lack thereof) to come through…
SO WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE??? Can somebody explain this to me? Clearly X was bitching about things he doesn’t know anything about, which is expected, but what situation was this? What happened and how did you solve it Aragon?
(BTW this sounds a lot like when the wraits ambushed the gay hobbits at the top of that fortress thing in the first Lord of the Rings. Just sayin…)
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
@legendaryblaze
I also thought it was amusing that the certain large dentist was telling me and the original poster of that question that I was fearful and “culturally unaware” when I likely have a much more thorough combatives background both learning/practicing and working with weekly incidents in crowded situations where it is normal to be outnumbered. It was also sad.
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I replied before I read the thread, just because I wanted my genuine response and thought process (or lack thereof) to come through…
SO WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE TALKING ABOUT HERE??? Can somebody explain this to me? Clearly X was bitching about things he doesn’t know anything about, which is expected, but what situation was this? What happened and how did you solve it Aragon?
(BTW this sounds a lot like when the wraits ambushed the gay hobbits at the top of that fortress thing in the first Lord of the Rings. Just sayin…)
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Ahahahahaha…Nice one Irish! Literal lol. I very appreciate the genuine response, that’s really what I was wondering about from people here. The original thread the situation appeared in was a clusterfuck and I didn’t want to bring it up here because I like the combat forum to be free of that nonsense. Trayvon Martin GAL thread that morphed, expectedly and violently, into a clusterfuck, then into a royal clusterfuck, and then into a train wrecked midget humping clusterfuck.
It’s not worth repeating here, but the short of it is that the concept of profiling came up–inevitably. Not racial profiling, although there was mass confusion and lots of wanking and shouting etc etc. The original asker of that question–it was not me in the situation I described–was a guy who grew up in the not very nice neighborhoods and said he profiled the guys on his porch by clothing, not race because he couldn’t see their skin (night) and they were loud and rowdy and in a place they didn’t need to be. Then X said he was an idiot for calling the police and “culturally unaware” and that he unnecessarily escalated…blah blah blah. Again not worth it.
Original poster stayed out of sight of them, observing and called police. Police came, the guys threatened to “kick his ass”. Eventually they were persuaded to leave without violence or spotting the guy. I basically suggested that he did precisely the right thing seeing that he was on foot, outnumbered, unarmed, had no reason to know them, couldn’t get to his front door without the guys moving, and that calling the police was less likely to escalate things because they couldn’t see WHO called the police. I feel it was justified expressly in hindsight because they threatened the cop. Fucking DUMBASSES. It is less of a threat to the alpha mentality of the group than to directly walk up and want them to leave and obeys laws of group action.
Just like my ex’s new dog went into my house, with my smell all over it, and then claimed my bed as his own and growled at me when I claimed it, and probably would have bitten me. However when she told him to get down he sulked but went and there were no problems. Humans hold similar psychology surprisingly enough.
Got some very interesting replies without the shouting in this thread, and I’m glad I’ve gotten to read them guys
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
Got some very interesting replies without the shouting in this thread, and I’m glad I’ve gotten to read them guys[/quote]
This forum is markedly better than any other on this site. Ironic considering the topic discussed and the site it’s on. But it is truly great.
[quote]flipya4it wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Call a close friend to bring me a firearm and confront them. Ask why the fuck they are parked in my driveway on private property.[/quote]
Big mistake. Why escalate things? Why make it a potential life and death (yours and/or theirs and/or your family, friends and neighbors)issue by bringing a gun? A gun is a physical solution to a mental problem. Swallow your pride. Check your ego. Call the cops and save yourself a lot of potential heartache and headaches. Why bother having cops and paying taxes? Ask yourself what Sun Tzu would do. [/quote]
have to agree.
if youre gonna take an in your face response,get ready to have to move house.
what makes us all vulnerable and exposed is our familes.
even a gun isn’t an ‘equaliser’ if someone comes back after you won the initial showdown,while youre at work or wherever,and shoots up your house or worse(imo)knocks on your door.[/quote]
You guys watch too many movies.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
[quote]flipya4it wrote:
[quote]zecarlo wrote:
[quote]Bauber wrote:
Call a close friend to bring me a firearm and confront them. Ask why the fuck they are parked in my driveway on private property.[/quote]
Big mistake. Why escalate things? Why make it a potential life and death (yours and/or theirs and/or your family, friends and neighbors)issue by bringing a gun? A gun is a physical solution to a mental problem. Swallow your pride. Check your ego. Call the cops and save yourself a lot of potential heartache and headaches. Why bother having cops and paying taxes? Ask yourself what Sun Tzu would do. [/quote]
have to agree.
if youre gonna take an in your face response,get ready to have to move house.
what makes us all vulnerable and exposed is our familes.
even a gun isn’t an ‘equaliser’ if someone comes back after you won the initial showdown,while youre at work or wherever,and shoots up your house or worse(imo)knocks on your door.[/quote]
You guys watch too many movies.
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i’m in a ‘non gun’ country and houses are being shot up here each day as part of ongoing feuds.
if you disrespect someone,point a gun at them on your own property then the first thing you have to remember is that they immediately know where you live and youre not going to be home all the time.
when they want to square things up or save face in front of their mates-theyre coming back to your house.
might sound dramatic but it would be my first concern when considering the scenario posted.