[quote]RSGZ wrote:
wfifer wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I don’t see why people who think that way aren’t depressed 24/7.
When I abandoned religion and all that, I made a conscious decision not to think about it. Agnosticism is cool like that. I plead ignorance and move on with my life.
Agnostics are the pussy versions of atheists.[/quote]
Atheists believe that there is no higher power. Agnostics don’t believe that there is or isn’t one; they want proof that there is. Until then, it’s “I don’t know and either do you.”
I won’t call myself an atheist because I won’t claim that there is no higher power. I don’t know, don’t really care, and won’t care until there is proof.
I don’t care whether there’s an afterlife either way. If there is a God he can judge me however he/she wants. I don’t need some human to tell me what’s right or wrong.
It’s like listening to someone’s interpretation of what the teacher said to do for an assignment.
And if there really is a heaven, i will lol in real afterlife.
Well then, the last thing you would want to hear is that spirituality is a part of who we are so ignoring even the possibility of there being a reason would mean you believe the world revolves around chaos and the random occasional manifestation of order by pure accident.
I don’t see why people who think that way aren’t depressed 24/7.
May the debate start now.
I prefer to think of it as the other way around, that the manifestation of order tends toward chaos.
Entropy’s a bitch.
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And yet life exists and expands while the rest of the universe tends toward entropy.
There’s either a master plan or there isn’t, no sitting on the fence allowed.
What I’m saying is that the “Master Plan” could very well involve both outcomes. We have simply accepted that “destiny” requires choice to be irrelevant. I don’t think that is the case. I think it is up to you whether you actually fulfill that destiny and that is where the “choices” lie.[/quote]
Or it could be that the “Master Plan” is based on what a Higher Power knows you are going to do. We’re responsible for our decisions, yet whatever we end up choosing was part of the plan. Pure paradox.
If there’s really a heaven and hell, maybe hell is really exaggerated. I can take some heat to chill with Lenin and Tucker Max in the underworld. I bet they have moonshine.
Take it from someone with their fair share of experience with dealing with depression by abusing substances, it doesn’t really do anything. You’re just wasting your time drinking trying to not think about the “problem” and i’ll bet it isn’t really helping.
Like some others have said the best thing to do would be find something new that makes you feel excited again, or remember what it was about something old that made you feel excited in the first place and maybe rekindle your love for an old passion. Time will pass and so will this.
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
Professor X wrote:
IQ wrote:
There’s either a master plan or there isn’t, no sitting on the fence allowed.
What I’m saying is that the “Master Plan” could very well involve both outcomes. We have simply accepted that “destiny” requires choice to be irrelevant. I don’t think that is the case. I think it is up to you whether you actually fulfill that destiny and that is where the “choices” lie.
Or it could be that the “Master Plan” is based on what a Higher Power knows you are going to do. We’re responsible for our decisions, yet whatever we end up choosing was part of the plan. Pure paradox. [/quote]
I think it is impossible to reconcile the two statements:
“Everything happens for a reason” and “We have free will in our actions”. In the words of Jean Paul Sartre, we are either wholly free or wholly determined. There is no wiggle room.
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
wfifer wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I don’t see why people who think that way aren’t depressed 24/7.
When I abandoned religion and all that, I made a conscious decision not to think about it. Agnosticism is cool like that. I plead ignorance and move on with my life.
Agnostics are the pussy versions of atheists.[/quote]
Since when is accepting our limitations in understanding the universe being a pussy?
[quote]RSGZ wrote:
wfifer wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I don’t see why people who think that way aren’t depressed 24/7.
When I abandoned religion and all that, I made a conscious decision not to think about it. Agnosticism is cool like that. I plead ignorance and move on with my life.
Agnostics are the pussy versions of atheists.[/quote]
Not really… Agnosticism answers the questions “Can it be known that God exists?” and Theism answers the question “Do you believe God exists?” then religion comes in and asks “Do you believe God has a personal interest in your life?”
I’d say most people are Agnostic when really questioned about it (Can it known/ Do you know that God exists?).
One can be an Agnostic Atheist(It cant be known and I dont believe. I’d say most atheist fall under this category), Agnostic Theist(It cant be known, but I still believe), or Religious.
Agnosticism is not the rung under atheism on a ladder, they are two different ladders entirely.
[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Geminspector wrote:
Sounds a lot like depression.
Bingo.[/quote]
No shit. Even I know that.
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And yet life exists and expands while the rest of the universe tends toward entropy.[/quote]
Life is entropy. Supposedly that contradiction was thought about hard be some scientists and when you look at it closely the heat we generate and other shit we do actually causes a net gain in chaos. We look ordered (thoughts, bodies, etc.) but you are actually adding to entropy right now.
I’ve postponed my university for next 6 months. Being a Postgrad Dropout still beats a Graduate!
I’m going to chill for a while. Well, I still got to go to work but you cant have everything.
Going to go check out the helicopter school in a week or two and take a trial flight (and clock my first hour!).
Probably wait til Feb next year to save some cash. Take out a huge loan and some time off work and start the course.
Mutu, I’d prefer to stick it in her pooper and post pics.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I’m thinking of getting a helicopter pilot’s license since I’ve always wanted to fly.
This would not only send me broke but put me in debt to the tune of a year’s net salary.
I am really tempted but I don’t want to ‘run away’ from the real problem (myself).
You should look to see how much work there is for helo pilots first. I don’t think there is too much. Aviation took a big hit after 9/11 and is taking another one with fuel costs going up.
If you want to fly, though, fixed wing might be better. I suggest just getting a loan and buying a plane to learn in for your various certifications and then selling it when you’re done. Fly at least 3 times a week or you’ll never get it done. [/quote]
Thanks for the practical advice in the midst of my spiritual delima! LOL!
Nah. There should be plenty of work I figure with all the vietnam vets retiring?
And helicopters are just more dangerous and the rotors go ‘whoosh, whoosh, whoosh’ and they are just way fucking cool!
The sub-conscious mind can be very self-destructive, which is why alcohol is not a solution. Stop making excuses. The mind loves to talk its way out of things, its all about the questions you ask. You need to learn to control your thoughts.
Learn to be grateful for what you have. If you have a car and access to hot water your in the top 5% of the world’s population.
"If you don’t design your own life plan, chances are you’ll fall into someone else’s plan. And guess what they have planned for you? Not much."�??Jim Rohn
The mind can achieve anything it conceives - Napoleon Hill
The quality of the questions you ask can affect the quality of your life. Don’t ask yourself disempowering questions. Maybe ask yourself what do you have to offer that other people don’t? Mindset is huge, even all the coaches on here post about it.
Going out and getting a flying license might be a quick fix but if it only gets you in shit then work towards it, make it a goal.
Here’s something that I’ve found holds true for everything in life:
Short term pain equals long term pleasure
Short term pleasure equals long term pain
Example: Drinking alcohol, feels good now, but there is nothing good about it in the long term.
We all have problems buddy, but fuck depression, its selfish thinking.
I’m not suggesting any cures here.
But I followed my life plan pretty closely, even at times when it seemed pointless. I’ve gone through all the existential phases, but pushed on without answers. Then I watched my son being born (16 years ago) and it was like I was reborn. I suddenly had a purpose, and the focus wasn’t on me anymore. Since then, I’ve found spirituality, and have accomplished my career/creative goals, and have become a better human being than prior to being a dad.
I’m not saying you should father a child, of course. I’m just pointing out that when you remove the spotlight from yourself and focus on the caring of others, the issue of self-purpose becomes obsolete as far as the question goes.
I think you’re onto something there! The supercollider guys are wasting their time.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
wfifer wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I don’t see why people who think that way aren’t depressed 24/7.
When I abandoned religion and all that, I made a conscious decision not to think about it. Agnosticism is cool like that. I plead ignorance and move on with my life.
Agnostics are the pussy versions of atheists.
Not really… Agnosticism answers the questions “Can it be known that God exists?” and Theism answers the question “Do you believe God exists?” then religion comes in and asks “Do you believe God has a personal interest in your life?”
I’d say most people are Agnostic when really questioned about it (Can it known/ Do you know that God exists?).
One can be an Agnostic Atheist(It cant be known and I dont believe. I’d say most atheist fall under this category), Agnostic Theist(It cant be known, but I still believe), or Religious.
Agnosticism is not the rung under atheism on a ladder, they are two different ladders entirely. [/quote]
This is an excellent point. I think atheism would be the default stance in that case. I’m gonna play semantics here and define atheism as “the absence of belief in a god.” When you turn atheism into a belief (i.e. the belief that there is no god) you might as well capitalize the “a” and call it a religion.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
RSGZ wrote:
wfifer wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I don’t see why people who think that way aren’t depressed 24/7.
When I abandoned religion and all that, I made a conscious decision not to think about it. Agnosticism is cool like that. I plead ignorance and move on with my life.
Agnostics are the pussy versions of atheists.
Not really… Agnosticism answers the questions “Can it be known that God exists?” and Theism answers the question “Do you believe God exists?” then religion comes in and asks “Do you believe God has a personal interest in your life?”
I’d say most people are Agnostic when really questioned about it (Can it known/ Do you know that God exists?).
One can be an Agnostic Atheist(It cant be known and I dont believe. I’d say most atheist fall under this category), Agnostic Theist(It cant be known, but I still believe), or Religious.
Agnosticism is not the rung under atheism on a ladder, they are two different ladders entirely. [/quote]
