What Price for White Skin?

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Move to an all black neighborhood then you will not feel so bad for them. There problem is created and self promoted… Go cry to the Jews about harsh conditions or the Chinese, I am sure you will find boats load of sympathy there.

Maybe there problems weren’t self created, but they have sure been self progressed and elvated.

We should have had Asian slaves not Africans ones…EPIC FAIL on United States part. Why didn’t we go to Asia DAMNIT!!! Would have better productivity then and a better society now!!!

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[quote]Jhuczko wrote:
Move to an all black neighborhood then you will not feel so bad for them. There problem is created and self promoted… Go cry to the Jews about harsh conditions or the Chinese, I am sure you will find boats load of sympathy there.

Maybe there problems weren’t self created, but they have sure been self progressed and elvated.

We should have had Asian slaves not Africans ones…EPIC FAIL on United States part. Why didn’t we go to Asia DAMNIT!!! Would have better productivity then and a better society now!!!
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stop spreading your failed logic…and ignorance.

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[quote]Jhuczko wrote:
Move to an all black neighborhood then you will not feel so bad for them. There problem is created and self promoted… Go cry to the Jews about harsh conditions or the Chinese, I am sure you will find boats load of sympathy there.

Maybe there problems weren’t self created, but they have sure been self progressed and elvated.

We should have had Asian slaves not Africans ones…EPIC FAIL on United States part. Why didn’t we go to Asia DAMNIT!!! Would have better productivity then and a better society now!!!
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This is made of fail.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WhiteFlash wrote:

Why is “professional society” judging someone by what they wear IN THEIR OWN FREE TIME?

'cause they’re wearing rediculous clothing and speaking incoherent sentence fragments. Same way if a white kid wears eyeliner, his sister’s jeans and mopes around, he’ll be looked at as a slacker.

How is “white t, jewelry and a baseball hat” a "rediculous " choice for clothing?

That isn’t. I wear that same outfit very often. MY EXAMPLE, to which you responded initially was an XXXL t-shirt on a M frame with pants sagging half way down one’s ass with an oversized ball cap.

And you are also describing some extreme example of what we are discussing. I am asking for specific examples of this style. With a whole internet at your disposal, I want to SEE what causes so many of you to be so “cautious”.

How is the outfit you are even describing causing people to think they see a criminal? The last time there was even a huge fashion statement by allowing your pants to sag, Jodeci was still putting out cd’s and OJ hadn’t been chased down the interstate yet in a white Bronco.

All signs point to many of you needing to remove the stick from your collective asses.[/quote]

There isn’t a stick in my ass homeboy. If you dress like a thug you’re gonna get labeled a thug. It’s that fucking simple. I’m not cautious around black people. I grew up in south Alief here in Houston. I was around fairly frequent drive-bys and kick doors 'til I moved when I was around twelve. That neighborhood was 3/4 black. I myself don’t give a fuck what someone wears, as long as they didn’t steal it from my closet. With that, I answered your question and you keep trying to pick it apart. You can’t. And, you and I have spoken about you being from Houston as well, and we both know these aren’t extreme examples. That’s quite a few black kids daily unform. And, once again if you dress like a thug you’re gonna get labeled a thug. It also doesn’t help if you’re speaking broken english while using the “N” word every third word. I don’t judge one race on what one person of that race doese/say’s/wears. I don’t judge race period. The sad fact is that most people do. And while black people are still looked at as “black” and not “people” it’s gonna be hard to get ahead in a white run society when people are basing opinions off of overwhelming negative statistics and what they see on the news. Most of these people don’t personally know a black person, aside from the clerk at the gas station or their neighborhood mailman. So without an “inside look” at the life of an ordinary, hard working, principalled black man they assume that if left to his own devices he’d rob you as soon as shake your hand.

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[quote]
Professor X wrote:

The sales rep sat down at the desk both of us were sitting at…and began presenting her supplies only to him as if I was his assistant. She didn’t even acknowledge I was in the room.

Chushin wrote:

Exactly what happens here sometimes in Japan when I’m out shopping or dining with my Japanese wife… [/quote]

That was an unfortunate anecdote, but I don’t think that anyone has argued that racism doesn’t exist.

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

Professor X wrote:

The sales rep sat down at the desk both of us were sitting at…and began presenting her supplies only to him as if I was his assistant. She didn’t even acknowledge I was in the room.

Chushin wrote:

Exactly what happens here sometimes in Japan when I’m out shopping or dining with my Japanese wife…

That was an unfortunate anecdote, but I don’t think that anyone has argued that racism doesn’t exist.[/quote]

It HAS been argued that blacks see racism everywhere as if we are inept at telling the difference.

In my opinion, there is no individual, in general, who understands and can identify racism/bigotry better than the educated American Black male. We see it more than anyone else. Every instance I’ve described has happened within the last 4 months or so. This isn’t some rare occurrence where we might not be seeing what we think we are.

I have had many of you act like my perception is so off that I can’t tell the difference. It is like you can’t even see how that is an attempt at degradation in and of itself. To tell someone that they are only seeing it everywhere and not capable of telling the difference is the same as claiming some superior position in terms of perception.

I am also not saying that some blacks aren’t playing the race card in areas where it isn’t warranted. However, I am saying that if some professional tells you they’ve seen racism/bigotry and you tell them it is all in their head, you have effectively just claimed a superior position to that individual. There’s a name for that as well.

So, while you may claim that “[quote]I don’t think that anyone has argued that racism doesn’t exist[/quote]”, your actions say something different when you claim I can’t see well.

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[quote]Qaash wrote:
If any of my teachers were like HH, I’d have been so screwed.[/quote]

In my 26 years of teaching, I have numerous Ivy League grads, West Point and Naval Academy grads, Notre Dame, and many from THE Ohio State University of course. I get many visits from grads thanking me for teaching them.

Based on your posts, I would probably see you when you bag my groceries.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
In my opinion, there is no individual, in general, who understands and can identify racism/bigotry better than the educated American Black male. [/quote]

aka Paranoia. LOL!!!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Yes. I had one black grandmother come into the clinic today with her 10 year old grandson. He needed some teeth extracted. I talked to the kid like I always do (something I am very good at and I am not ashamed to admit it). She acted like she had seen Jesus when I was done. The kid didn’t cry (even when injected) and he left laughing. She left singing praises loudly as if I could do no wrong. I understand why she acted this way. I also understand that people like her waited a long time to see people like me.

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What a revealing post! A black grandmother is shocked that a young black male acts intelligently with a kid. Therefore, you must be very exceptional, according to her.

Yet when whitey passes similar judgment about the majority of young black males, we’re obviously racist. And the granny is so shocked, she thinks your Jesus!!

ROFLMAO!!!

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Qaash wrote:
Headhunter wrote:

Yep. To make racism go away, black people have to show they are better than whites: more educated, more polite, more well-spoken. Only when the white community HAS A REASON TO NOT BE RACIST will racism stop.

You are the first white man to openly say what I’ve known my entire adult life…so, we have to be better than you in every way so you won’t be afraid and be more relaxed around us in your community’s? I know from growing up in the suburbs that that isn’t the case. We move to the suburbs and the whites started moving out or panicked that their property values were going to suffer because the blacks had moved in. Sometimes, no matter what we do, there are white people who are always going to be nervous around us, so, I don’t worry about them. I stated earlier that being from NYC has given me a false perspective on the state of things…my generation deals with less and less of your line of thinking. If I encounter this, it’s usually and older white person or someone who is not from NY…the internet is a wonderful thing.

Some peope will always be racist. Fuck them.

Not racist at all…I simply demand proof before I accept someone as my equal. I don’t consider someone my equal because of any skin color.

Crime rates among blacks are high. 70% of black babies are born out of wedlock. STDs are rampant in black teen girls. It is not racism to flee from such people and it is not racism to not want to hire such people. I would not hire a woman with 4 kids by 4 seperate fathers. I would not hire someone with the attitude of belligerence over their past. I would not hire someone who is too stupid to wear a condom. Since those things are common among black people, someone has to show me that they are exceptional in that group before I would hire them.

It is not racist to demand proof. Make the proof overwhelming.

I’ll be waiting…

Why do you equate skin color to these other negative things listed?

If a black guy and a white guy spoke and dressed equally well and you know nothing further about them why does the black guy have to prove he is better than the white guy?

One can’t have things both ways. Either there is such a thing as “black culture” or “white culture” or there isn’t. If there’s no such thing as “black culture,” then why are blacks on this site taking offense? But if there is, then certain statistics can describe it, just as they can describe “white culture” or any other culture. Governments keep track of certain population statistics. They always have and they always will, because they are indicators of certain things. In this case, our government keeps track of fatherlessness in the different cultures in the United States. Fatherlessness has an effect on crime statistics, school performance, and welfare use in a population. If it’s high, then the population and the culture of that population will suffer certain malignancies. These, in turn, color the opinion of other populations and cultures about that population.

If fatherlessness in the black community is high, than certain other pathologies will be found in that community. These, in turn, will affect how people of other races perceive them, because people notice trends and they watch the news. [/quote]

There IS intelligent life on this planet!! I can now report ‘hope’ for the planet back to headquarters!!

After reading morons like LankyMofo (or wtf it is), I’d about given up!

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
The “racist” Vogue cover flap has to do with mirroring this photo. Ridiculous? Of course, but inventing racism where there isn’t any is a cottage industry, particularly in journalism.[/quote]

Thanks for posting that comparison. I was wondering how King Kong was introduced but it is obvious that they were trying to copy the King Kong photo.

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[quote]Jhuczko wrote:
Move to an all black neighborhood then you will not feel so bad for them. There problem is created and self promoted… Go cry to the Jews about harsh conditions or the Chinese, I am sure you will find boats load of sympathy there.

Maybe there problems weren’t self created, but they have sure been self progressed and elvated.

We should have had Asian slaves not Africans ones…EPIC FAIL on United States part. Why didn’t we go to Asia DAMNIT!!! Would have better productivity then and a better society now!!!
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troll

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Jhuczko wrote:
Move to an all black neighborhood then you will not feel so bad for them. There problem is created and self promoted… Go cry to the Jews about harsh conditions or the Chinese, I am sure you will find boats load of sympathy there.

Maybe there problems weren’t self created, but they have sure been self progressed and elvated.

We should have had Asian slaves not Africans ones…EPIC FAIL on United States part. Why didn’t we go to Asia DAMNIT!!! Would have better productivity then and a better society now!!!

stop spreading your failed logic…and ignorance.
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LMAO has nothing to say back…weak

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[quote]
Professor X wrote:

The sales rep sat down at the desk both of us were sitting at…and began presenting her supplies only to him as if I was his assistant. She didn’t even acknowledge I was in the room.

Chushin wrote:

Exactly what happens here sometimes in Japan when I’m out shopping or dining with my Japanese wife…

BostonBarrister wrote:
That was an unfortunate anecdote, but I don’t think that anyone has argued that racism doesn’t exist.

Professor X wrote:
It HAS been argued that blacks see racism everywhere as if we are inept at telling the difference.[/quote]

You’re misstating the argument - given I made it, I should know (unless you’re referring to someone else’s argument, in which case please explain).

The argument was at least two-fold: 1)People (not just black people) often (not in every case, as racism obviously still exists) attribute racism as causation too off-handedly for both subjective and objective slights, when it is one possible causation among many; 2) this is counterproductive to progress on racial issues.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
In my opinion, there is no individual, in general, who understands and can identify racism/bigotry better than the educated American Black male. We see it more than anyone else. Every instance I’ve described has happened within the last 4 months or so. This isn’t some rare occurrence where we might not be seeing what we think we are.

I have had many of you act like my perception is so off that I can’t tell the difference. It is like you can’t even see how that is an attempt at degradation in and of itself. To tell someone that they are only seeing it everywhere and not capable of telling the difference is the same as claiming some superior position in terms of perception.[/quote]

There’s no need to rehash a thread that happened just a few months ago. Suffice it to say that it’s not an attempt at degradation. It’s an attempt to point out that subjective perceptions aren’t always correct - it’s not math.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am also not saying that some blacks aren’t playing the race card in areas where it isn’t warranted. However, I am saying that if some professional tells you they’ve seen racism/bigotry and you tell them it is all in their head, you have effectively just claimed a superior position to that individual. There’s a name for that as well.

So, while you may claim that “I don’t think that anyone has argued that racism doesn’t exist”, your actions say something different when you claim I can’t see well.[/quote]

Looks like we have some different subjective views on what my argument was trying to do. I’ll just note I’m in a better position to know what I intended, irrespective of how you took it.

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[quote]Jhuczko wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Jhuczko wrote:
Move to an all black neighborhood then you will not feel so bad for them. There problem is created and self promoted… Go cry to the Jews about harsh conditions or the Chinese, I am sure you will find boats load of sympathy there.

Maybe there problems weren’t self created, but they have sure been self progressed and elvated.

We should have had Asian slaves not Africans ones…EPIC FAIL on United States part. Why didn’t we go to Asia DAMNIT!!! Would have better productivity then and a better society now!!!

stop spreading your failed logic…and ignorance.

LMAO has nothing to say back…weak
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There’s not a responsibility to argue against gibberish. It’s waste of time, actually. Go away.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
BostonBarrister wrote:

Professor X wrote:

The sales rep sat down at the desk both of us were sitting at…and began presenting her supplies only to him as if I was his assistant. She didn’t even acknowledge I was in the room.

Chushin wrote:

Exactly what happens here sometimes in Japan when I’m out shopping or dining with my Japanese wife…

That was an unfortunate anecdote, but I don’t think that anyone has argued that racism doesn’t exist.

It HAS been argued that blacks see racism everywhere as if we are inept at telling the difference.

In my opinion, there is no individual, in general, who understands and can identify racism/bigotry better than the educated American Black male. We see it more than anyone else. Every instance I’ve described has happened within the last 4 months or so. This isn’t some rare occurrence where we might not be seeing what we think we are.

I have had many of you act like my perception is so off that I can’t tell the difference. It is like you can’t even see how that is an attempt at degradation in and of itself. To tell someone that they are only seeing it everywhere and not capable of telling the difference is the same as claiming some superior position in terms of perception.

I am also not saying that some blacks aren’t playing the race card in areas where it isn’t warranted. However, I am saying that if some professional tells you they’ve seen racism/bigotry and you tell them it is all in their head, you have effectively just claimed a superior position to that individual. There’s a name for that as well.

So, while you may claim that “I don’t think that anyone has argued that racism doesn’t exist”, your actions say something different when you claim I can’t see well.[/quote]

Yea because black people have faced SOOOO much more racism than other cultures and nations…Americans are so samrt. American History for the loss.

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[quote]Jhuczko wrote:
Americans are so samrt. American History for the loss.[/quote]

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[quote]BostonBarrister wrote:

The argument was at least two-fold: 1)People (not just black people) often (not in every case, as racism obviously still exists) attribute racism as causation too off-handedly for both subjective and objective slights, when it is one possible causation among many; 2) this is counterproductive to progress on racial issues.
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How is it counterproductive to race issues? If anything, what has made it counterproductive is the insistence that the problem isn’t really as intense as many say it is and the perception of those people is so skewed that they are simply seeing things.

To deal with any problem, the actual problem must be identified first. Otherwise, how can a solution possibly be reached?

Several arguments have been that nearly any mention of racist acts is “whining” and means the person is simply complaining all of the time while being a typical lazy black person. It is stated that the individual accepts no personal responsibility so they should just stop bringing it up.

You tell me how a solution can be reached if half the aisle refuses to see it while the other half keeps screaming about how prevalent it is?

That way hasn’t worked so why do you think it magically will now?

Why is any mention of it seen as “whining”?

Why does my “personal responsibility” get brought into question if I ever bring it up?