What, No Complaints About the War Room?

Off Topic
41

seriously people, maybe you don’t like livefromthe781, but he is correct about this:

according to the mission statement, there’s a lot of people who probably don’t fall under the category of “wanting to gain as much muscle mass as possible” or “fuck being average”, etc.

maybe the problem is the mission statement. seriously, he gets bashed and bashed, but point out to me where he’s wrong on this part, please. it can’t be done.

Prof X:
1.) To promote all things related to gaining enough muscle mass to stand out in a crowd.

malonetd:
"Someone else can probably phrase this better for a mission statement, but I think experience should trump theory and experiment in these discussions. Obviously, theory can be discussed, but I think most of the people posting here would like to know what HAS worked, not just what COULD work.

The Bodybuilder Bunker thread should just be moved here."

rainjack:
"2.) To have near zero tolerance for kayakers, hoopsters, mountain climbers, chess players and any and all others who attempt to bend bodybuilding into to some bastardized form of Tae-Bo.

Body Building is about building muscle. Shit tons of muscle. See rule 1 for further explanation."

Mufasa:
"3) The Iron is not my friend, it is my enemy. I will slay my enemy or it will slay me. But so be it.

  1. I will care LESS than the proverbial “rat ass” that you do not want to get “HYOOGE” like me.

  2. I will eat and eat big

  3. Gaining some fat will not consume me.

  4. Focus on building muscle and the abs will come."

GetSwole:
“9) Yes, fucktwat, everyone here DOES what to look like those ‘roided out gorillas’ on the right and NOT like your rollerskating blowout haircut havin’ ass.”

Qaash:
“10. No “HARDGAINERS” ALLOWED…if you want it, you have to work for it: eat more, lift heavy ass weight, rest and repeat”

WS4JB:
"We will look large without having to try. You will be able to tell we lift weights not only when are at the beach, but when we are in a suit.

We will not be able to buy clothing from the “trendy” college clothing stores because their XL’s do not even come close to fitting us."

Joe Joseph:
“For our muscularity to attract gazes from strangers when we are out in public.”

there’s plenty more where that came from.

look, maybe you don’t like live (somehow, even though it’s the internet and no one’s met him, i’m sure), but please, just look at this objectively. i’m not partial to either side really; i like the content, but i’m not a part of the cell, and honestly don’t feel like i’m qualified, if we’re going by the mission statement that’s in plain view for everyone to see. do people know me really?

no, i don’t PM with people and only know one other person on here personally. have i made thousands of constructive posts? not yet. but i have to agree with live, in the respect that if the t-cell were to go by what the cell members wrote in the mission statement, that many, many members do not fit the category.

i like the fact that the most respected members are in there. in fact, i would bet that if the mission statement was changed, there wouldn’t be any complaints about what the t-cell is supposed to be, because the most respected members would be in there (and this definitely includes christine, og, and those who are being questioned by live and a couple of the posters in the tribunals, etc).

just a couple thoughts.

42

There is no “official” mission statement in the T-Cell. Just because a bunch of people took a stab at a few things they think should be the mission statement it doesn’t reflect the opinions of all those who are members of the T-Cell or the T-Cell itself.

There are actually quite a few of us in the T-Cell who are not interested in bodybuilding, but whom have a love for the iron and using it to accomplish our goals whether it be for a specific sport or competition or some other reason.

43

Thanks, Nate!

THERE IS NO MISSION STATEMENT!

As Nate stated, there were some ideas thrown around, and some were even off-base (one of mine, for one!).

And just like a bunch of guys will have a tendency to do, there was a lot of “puff and bravado”, especially in those original THOUGHTS that were thrown out.

There was (and is) so much enthusiasm about the Cell being started (along with a LOT of trepidation!), and especially by those of us whom have been around for a while.

But guess what?
So far so good!

Mufasa

44

419×568 74.2 KB

Another misconception:

“Alpha-Cells” are NOT meant to be this great bastion of knowledge, written on Stone Tablets, for all the World to gain Eternal Wisdom. That is some strange fabrication that somehow has developed in the minds of people.

If you are waiting for that, you’ll be waiting for a helluva’ long time!

In my way of thinking, the closer analogy would be of an association of somewhat like-minded people, who can get together and discuss related topics, without there being:

a) A LOT of “chafe-and-clutter” of a lot on non-related topics

b) Without the constant barrage of those who feel the topics discussed are useless to them and their Goals, and therefore are topics worthy of their ridicule and disdain and

c) MINIMAL moderation.

Mufasa

45

I have an idea. We should make the T-Cell Alpha a private place where you can’t even see or read the threads if you are not a member. This way, no one can talk crap about it all the time because they won’t even know what’s going on.

We’ll have our own little sign in area and it will be completely private.

Problem solved.

46

[quote]makkun wrote:
[…]

All I was saying is that we now have two Bodybuilding forums here. A bodybuilding forum that is equally accessible to everyone, and a bodybuilding forum which for the just a bit more equal posters who by some pretty random criteria (someone clicks a button) has been granted entry. [/quote]

Hmmm. When tribunals started, someone compared the T-Cell Alpha to “Lord of the Flies”; after reading this, I am thinking it’s more like that other staple of high school English classes, “Animal Farm.”

“All T-Nation members are equal, but some are more equal than others?”

Naahhhh! It’s all good. If enough rock-climbers ask for a T-Cell, they’ll probably get one; likewise for enough UFC fans or superheroes who gave their lives to stop the Anti-Monitor (that’s obviously tongue-in-cheek, Makkun; I’m not putting you down).

It doesn’t “cordon off” picking up knowledge; it doesn’t rule out anyone else discussing a topic; and it doesn’t mean ONLY this few, “we happy few, we band of brothers” will be given their own space to discus without interruption. As this concept evolves, more and more members of T-Nation who are serious about SOMETHING–that T-Nation/Biotest wishes to support and encourage, that is–will get T-Cells.

[[EDIT: Just read the rest of the thread after Makkun’s post, and have learned that 1) Makkun sees the T-Cell in a different light, and 2) I have made the same reference as Headhunter.

“There is no emoticon for what I am feeling!”]]

47

TShaw,

[quote][[EDIT: Just read the rest of the thread after Makkun’s post, and have learned that 1) Makkun sees the T-Cell in a different light, and 2) I have made the same reference as Headhunter.

“There is no emoticon for what I am feeling!”]][/quote]

Thanks nonetheless - it was nice to actually be confronted with arguments rather than mostly emotive rethoric (or shouting). A good argument is never a put-down.

I do see the T-Cell in a different light - not less cynical though, if you read my post carefully. First I thought it was a bad idea that would hurt the community - now that I think I undersand the business sense behind it, I can live a lot better with it. :wink:

WRT - HH: Memes are a funny thing. I put the Animal Farm reference into my post, and chose not to point to the source. It’s nice to see that people picked up on it. :wink:

Makkun

48

[quote]makkun wrote:
TShaw,

[[EDIT: Just read the rest of the thread after Makkun’s post, and have learned that 1) Makkun sees the T-Cell in a different light, and 2) I have made the same reference as Headhunter.

“There is no emoticon for what I am feeling!”]]

Thanks nonetheless - it was nice to actually be confronted with arguments rather than mostly emotive rethoric (or shouting). A good argument is never a put-down.

I do see the T-Cell in a different light - not less cynical though, if you read my post carefully. First I thought it was a bad idea that would hurt the community - now that I think I undersand the business sense behind it, I can live a lot better with it. :wink:

WRT - HH: Memes are a funny thing. I put the Animal Farm reference into my post, and chose not to point to the source. It’s nice to see that people picked up on it. :wink:

Makkun[/quote]

Orwell is one of the least appreciated authors we have. His amazing ability to predict our future…beyond superb. Nice to meet a fellow fan — and working it into the thread is brilliant on your part! Kudos!

49

No complaints about the War Room, eh?

There you go, I’ve fabricated one to get the ball rolling.

50

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I assume this post you wrote was serious? That would mean we LOST access to discuss bodybuilding free of non-bodybuilding related tangents when so many of those types filled up the bodybuilding forum.

I doubt anyone cares whether you are “convinced” about the T-Cell.

For someone making a point to not use it, you sure do TALK ABOUT IT A LOT.[/quote]

Just jumping in here to give my two cents. I certainly don’t have 20k posts, so take my thoughts as you will. But I think that Mukkun’s argument is getting dismissed a bit frivolously.

The basic charge here is that T-Cell Alpha is elitist, which is, I assume the opponents feel, is a bad thing. When Makkun says that it takes away an opportunity, yes–it is true that this opportunity didn’t even exist before, so once can’t really say it “takes something away”. I think the charge rather is that it provides the opportunit unequally. It is analogous to saying, “We are going to build a library in the city, and if you want to come and check out the titles and skim the contents, that is fine. But we are only going to let white people check books out, and only they can hold group discussions on the books.” or perhaps more analogous to this particular situation, “We are only going to let John Doe, Bob McCarthy, and Mike Smith, and their friends check out books. The rest of you, if you want to check out books, make friends with them.”

51

I can’t believe so many people STILL don’t understand why the T-Cell Alpha was created.

Fucking unbelievable.

Hahahaha

52

[quote]Fiction wrote:
…
It is analogous to saying, “We are going to build a library in the city, and if you want to come and check out the titles and skim the contents, that is fine. But we are only going to let white people check books out, and only they can hold group discussions on the books.” or perhaps more analogous to this particular situation, “We are only going to let John Doe, Bob McCarthy, and Mike Smith, and their friends check out books. The rest of you, if you want to check out books, make friends with them.”[/quote]

No, it isn’t.

All the “books” are still there for you to read; you can discuss them, just not in a T-Cell thread; if you really want to make an observation on that particular discussion and get a T-Cell member’s feedback, PM them and I’d bet a tub of Surge that they’d respond–maybe even quote you in the thread–if it’s a decent observation/comment. Typing a PM isn’t more difficult than typing a thread reply.

…and once you came up with your second analogy with “John Doe, et alia,” you should have had the sense to drop the first one with its attempt at racially charging this debate. It’s not about unimportant differences

Many T-Cell members were invited in by those they have argued with in the past and NOT been “friends” with. Being friends was not the criterion; showing respect for other’s goals and showing dedication to your own goals seems to have been, based on a thread where they have discussed their reasons for inviting others.

53

I’m joining the army just so I can be a part of it!

54

[quote]Fiction wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I assume this post you wrote was serious? That would mean we LOST access to discuss bodybuilding free of non-bodybuilding related tangents when so many of those types filled up the bodybuilding forum.

I doubt anyone cares whether you are “convinced” about the T-Cell.

For someone making a point to not use it, you sure do TALK ABOUT IT A LOT.

Just jumping in here to give my two cents. I certainly don’t have 20k posts, so take my thoughts as you will. But I think that Mukkun’s argument is getting dismissed a bit frivolously.

The basic charge here is that T-Cell Alpha is elitist, which is, I assume the opponents feel, is a bad thing. When Makkun says that it takes away an opportunity, yes–it is true that this opportunity didn’t even exist before, so once can’t really say it “takes something away”. I think the charge rather is that it provides the opportunit unequally. It is analogous to saying, “We are going to build a library in the city, and if you want to come and check out the titles and skim the contents, that is fine. But we are only going to let white people check books out, and only they can hold group discussions on the books.” or perhaps more analogous to this particular situation, “We are only going to let John Doe, Bob McCarthy, and Mike Smith, and their friends check out books. The rest of you, if you want to check out books, make friends with them.”[/quote]

You, sir, have written a brilliant post. You understand the issue perfectly.

56

[quote]pushharder wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Fiction wrote:
Professor X wrote:
I assume this post you wrote was serious? That would mean we LOST access to discuss bodybuilding free of non-bodybuilding related tangents when so many of those types filled up the bodybuilding forum.

I doubt anyone cares whether you are “convinced” about the T-Cell.

For someone making a point to not use it, you sure do TALK ABOUT IT A LOT.

Just jumping in here to give my two cents. I certainly don’t have 20k posts, so take my thoughts as you will. But I think that Mukkun’s argument is getting dismissed a bit frivolously.

The basic charge here is that T-Cell Alpha is elitist, which is, I assume the opponents feel, is a bad thing. When Makkun says that it takes away an opportunity, yes–it is true that this opportunity didn’t even exist before, so once can’t really say it “takes something away”. I think the charge rather is that it provides the opportunit unequally.

It is analogous to saying, "We are going to build a library in the city, and if you want to come and check out the titles and skim the contents, that is fine.

But we are only going to let white people check books out, and only they can hold group discussions on the books." or perhaps more analogous to this particular situation, “We are only going to let John Doe, Bob McCarthy, and Mike Smith, and their friends check out books. The rest of you, if you want to check out books, make friends with them.”

You, sir, have written a brilliant post. You understand the issue perfectly.

It’s fiction.[/quote]

No, I think he picked up it from the tabloids.

57

[quote]Nate Dogg wrote:
pushharder wrote:
It’s fiction.

No, I think he picked up it from the tabloids.[/quote]

You’re both wrong. It’s sci-fi.

58

[quote]Makavali wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
pushharder wrote:
It’s fiction.

No, I think he picked up it from the tabloids.

You’re both wrong. It’s sci-fi.[/quote]

With a romantic comedy twist.

59

[quote]Natural Nate wrote:
Makavali wrote:
Nate Dogg wrote:
pushharder wrote:
It’s fiction.

No, I think he picked up it from the tabloids.

You’re both wrong. It’s sci-fi.

With a romantic comedy twist.[/quote]

And a bit of an ‘edge’…