What Makes America so Great?

[quote]ephrem wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
ephrem wrote:
…it’s a game you play by their rules, that’s all. If you don’t like it, stop playing the game. Or continue to bitch about it, whatever makes you life worthwhile…

Now you’ve hit upon it. If the system becomes corrupt, even for the alleged purpose of the ‘public good’, then you SHOULD quit feeding the machine. Work at a low enough level so that you produce nothing in excess of your survival needs. Leave nothing for the do-gooder liberals. Go on strike.

Welcome to the Ayn Rand Brigade, ephrem!!

…no thank you. You’re missing the point though HH; you stop playing the game not because you don’t want to leave anything for these supposed evil liberals, but because you’ve seen the game for what it is. You’re just playing it with an intent that’s linked to the game, and therefore you’re still playing it…

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“This is the strike of the men of the mind, Miss Taggart. This is the mind, on strike.”
— Atlas Shrugged


Could Rorschach really be Francisco D’Aconia in disguise?!?!?!

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
"Madame, when we’ll see men dying of starvation around us, your heart won’t be of any earthly use to save them. And I’m heartless enough to say that when you’ll scream, “but I didn’t know it”, you will not be forgiven
— Atlas Shrugged
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“All the whores and politicians will look up and shout, ‘Save us!’… and I’ll look down, and whisper ‘No.’”
—The Watchmen

[quote]Chushin wrote:
Molotov_Coktease wrote:
America has a beautiful flag…
Orion feels sexual tension with the rag
Lixy loves to hate it so much
he obsessively stalks it…and longs for its touch
all the while the flag fly’s free,
and doesn’t acknowledge the likes of thee…

Through constitutional departure we hold hope
With Mikeyali climbing the rope
Thunderbolt beacons… a light in the sky…
and Varqanir winks an eye for an eye

The Olympics play on, and the States are strong
reminding the world…why we belong
Wars rage on, and lives are cost
but the human heart has not been lost…

Triumph and failure go hand in hand
as we seek to lift a faltering land
I believe in my country through doubt and sorrow
and I will never sacrifice, the American tomorrow

Bravo! Well done, M’lady!
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See me after class.

I haven’t read much of this except for headhunters first statement but you are the biggest idiot on the face of the earth. invading iraq for oil… invading afganistan… selling arms to israel so they can anihilate a defenseless people… america is the most tyranical country in human history.

move out of america for a year and stop watching CNN and you’ll see how much america pisses off the rest of the world and pushes countries around. you make me sick with your stupidity. G

[quote]TheG wrote:
… america is the most tyranical country in human history.
… G[/quote]

You shouldn’t call other people out when you post stuff like this.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
TheG wrote:
… america is the most tyranical country in human history.
… G

You shouldn’t call other people out when you post stuff like this.[/quote]

He sounds like some 17 year old wanker.

[quote]TheG wrote:
invading iraq for oil… invading afganistan… selling arms to israel so they can anihilate a defenseless people… america is the most tyranical country in human history.
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Pots and kettles. You may want to research human history, and your own former empire’s part in it, before making absolute statements such as this.

What, doesn’t anyone read Kipling anymore? You do realize that Britain invaded Afghanistan and occupied it from 1838 to 1880, right? I suppose that you get tyranny points deducted from your score for getting your butts soundly handed to you by the Afghans, but the fact remains that you invaded first.

And what about India, the jewel in the Victorian crown? Britain certainly brought the blessings of Western civilization to the natives, but they brought plenty of suffering and death as well.

When an El Nino drought destituted the farmers of the Deccan plateau in 1876 there was a net surplus of rice and wheat in India. But the viceroy, Lord Lytton, insisted that nothing should prevent its export to England. In 1877 and 1878, at the height of the famine, grain merchants exported a record 6.4 million hundredweight of wheat. As the peasants began to starve, officials were ordered “to discourage relief works in every possible way”.

The Anti-Charitable Contributions Act of 1877 prohibited “at the pain of imprisonment private relief donations that potentially interfered with the market fixing of grain prices”. The only relief permitted in most districts was hard labour, from which anyone in an advanced state of starvation was turned away. In the labour camps, the workers were given less food than inmates of Buchenwald. In 1877, monthly mortality in the camps equated to an annual death rate of 94%.

As millions died, the imperial government launched “a militarized campaign to collect the tax arrears accumulated during the drought”. The money, which ruined those who might otherwise have survived the famine, was used by Lytton to fund his war in Afghanistan.

Even in places that had produced a crop surplus, the government’s export policies, like Stalin’s in Ukraine, manufactured hunger. In the north-western provinces, Oud and the Punjab, which had brought in record harvests in the preceeding three years, at least 1.25 million died.

Oh, and let’s not forget the Mau Mau revolt in Kenya in the 1950s.

Thrown off their best land and deprived of political rights, the Kikuyu started to organise - some of them violently - against colonial rule. The British responded by driving up to 320,000 of them into concentration camps. Most of the remainder - more than a million - were held in “enclosed villages”. Prisoners were questioned with the help of “slicing off ears, boring holes in eardrums, flogging until death, pouring paraffin over suspects who were then set alight, and burning eardrums with lit cigarettes”.

British soldiers used a “metal castrating instrument” to cut off testicles and fingers. “By the time I cut his balls off,” one settler boasted, “he had no ears, and his eyeball, the right one was hanging out of its socket.” The soldiers were told they could shoot anyone they liked “provided they were black”.

Evidence suggests that more than 100,000 Kikuyu were either killed or died of disease and starvation in the camps. 1,090 suspected rebels were hanged: far more than the French executed in Algeria. Thousands more were summarily executed by soldiers, who claimed they had “failed to halt” when challenged.

And as for Israel (which exists primarily thanks to the UK, by the way), while the United States is is clearly the largest exporter, Germany, France, and yes the United Kingdom also contribute to the “annihilation of a defenseless people,” as you so breathlessly put it. Britain’s contribution is somewhere in the neighborhood of 25 million pounds sterling per annum.

In addition to mortars, rocket launchers, anti-tank weapons, military explosives, and infrared and radar sensors, in 2003 Jack Straw authorized the export to Israel of leg-irons, electric shock belts and chemical and biological agents such as tear gas.

Most tyrannical? It’s a subjective term, to be sure, but in terms of actual area of real estate stolen, and number of subjects ruled, the United States can never hold a candle to the British Empire.

Sources:
Late Victorian Holocausts by Mike Davis
Britain’s Gulag by Caroline Elkins
Histories of the Hanged by David Anderson
Web of Deceit by Mark Curtis
http://www.caat.org.uk/publications/countries/israel-1002.php

Good bitch slapping,Varq.

There is not one empire in history that can escape the harshest of critiques.The only way to maintain Empire,has always been by draconian methods.

But some were more heartless than others.

The nostalgic view of the British Empire that many people seem to hold is totally ridiculous.It was one of the,if not the most, ruthless Empire to have graced the planet.

Ok perhaps I was a bit hasty in saying “the worst in human history” and I won’t deny the british empire has done some fucked up shit in it’s time. I’ll take back that comment but to say that america is the greatest country ever is a crock of shit, and headhunter your still a twat for even making that statement. our wrong doings were over a hundred years ago, Americas are on going and getting worse and you have the cheek to say that your the greatest thing since sliced bread. get a clue

[quote]TheG wrote:
Ok perhaps I was a bit hasty in saying “the worst in human history” and I won’t deny the british empire has done some fucked up shit in it’s time. I’ll take back that comment but to say that america is the greatest country ever is a crock of shit, and headhunter your still a twat for even making that statement. our wrong doings were over a hundred years ago, Americas are on going and getting worse and you have the cheek to say that your the greatest thing since sliced bread. get a clue [/quote]

You have the gall to apologize after the ass-rape you just received from Varq?

A bit hasty? Hell no - you were being fucking stupid.

You still are.

If Britain was still a real power, you would still be trying to colonize the world.

The fact that we can still pretty much impose our will whenever, and where ever we want is the root of your jealousy.

And don’t pretend it is anything other than the green headed monster fueling your titty fit here.

[quote]TheG wrote:
Ok perhaps I was a bit hasty in saying “the worst in human history” and I won’t deny the british empire has done some fucked up shit in it’s time. I’ll take back that comment but to say that america is the greatest country ever is a crock of shit, and headhunter your still a twat for even making that statement. our wrong doings were over a hundred years ago, Americas are on going and getting worse and you have the cheek to say that your the greatest thing since sliced bread. get a clue [/quote]

Well, if you bother to read my initial post, you may realize what I said: America was created on purpose to protect individuals from the government. This was a unique moment in history, wherein a government was created with a moral goal in mind. Being the only government created for such a purpose, this makes it the only moral government. All other governments are either amoral or evil, created by accident, by force of arms, by language circumstance, and so forth.

What’s hard to understand about that? The USA was created from a Philosophy of Enlightenment. Were other governments created on purpose to that end?

Now, some countries, using the USA as a model, have begun creating democracies with the purpose of limiting the gov’t. We however were first and remain the ‘Shining City on the Hill’.

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
Good bitch slapping,Varq.

There is not one empire in history that can escape the harshest of critiques.The only way to maintain Empire,has always been by draconian methods.

But some were more heartless than others.

The nostalgic view of the British Empire that many people seem to hold is totally ridiculous.It was one of the,if not the most, ruthless Empire to have graced the planet.[/quote]

Congrats on missing the main point:

Since when is America supposed to be an empire? When did you start to compare yourselves to empires?

Especially when “There is not one empire in history that can escape the harshest of critiques” ?

[quote]Headhunter wrote:
TheG wrote:
Ok perhaps I was a bit hasty in saying “the worst in human history” and I won’t deny the british empire has done some fucked up shit in it’s time. I’ll take back that comment but to say that america is the greatest country ever is a crock of shit, and headhunter your still a twat for even making that statement. our wrong doings were over a hundred years ago, Americas are on going and getting worse and you have the cheek to say that your the greatest thing since sliced bread. get a clue

Well, if you bother to read my initial post, you may realize what I said: America was created on purpose to protect individuals from the government. This was a unique moment in history, wherein a government was created with a moral goal in mind. Being the only government created for such a purpose, this makes it the only moral government. All other governments are either amoral or evil, created by accident, by force of arms, by language circumstance, and so forth.

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How did that work out?

The protection from government thing and stuff?

What true conservative would not want King George back?

Not the one you have now, the one where you could fit all his agents into a town hall, no income tax and a state quota of less than 3%?

What did you make out of an “America was created on purpose to protect individuals from the government” ?

[quote]orion wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Good bitch slapping,Varq.

There is not one empire in history that can escape the harshest of critiques.The only way to maintain Empire,has always been by draconian methods.

But some were more heartless than others.

The nostalgic view of the British Empire that many people seem to hold is totally ridiculous.It was one of the,if not the most, ruthless Empire to have graced the planet.

Congrats on missing the main point:

Since when is America supposed to be an empire? When did you start to compare yourselves to empires?

Especially when “There is not one empire in history that can escape the harshest of critiques” ?

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America is a Bizarro Empire. We send money overseas instead of demanding tribute.

Comparisons with all other previous empires should include this.

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
orion wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Good bitch slapping,Varq.

There is not one empire in history that can escape the harshest of critiques.The only way to maintain Empire,has always been by draconian methods.

But some were more heartless than others.

The nostalgic view of the British Empire that many people seem to hold is totally ridiculous.It was one of the,if not the most, ruthless Empire to have graced the planet.

Congrats on missing the main point:

Since when is America supposed to be an empire? When did you start to compare yourselves to empires?

Especially when “There is not one empire in history that can escape the harshest of critiques” ?

America is a Bizarro Empire. We send money overseas instead of demanding tribute.

Comparisons with all other previous empires should include this.[/quote]

I am not entirely sure that that makes you unique, the Romans did quite a lot to develop their occupied territories, so who knows if the net balance was always positive for Rome as a whole.

Also, their were lucrative trade relations with Gaul, so when Caesar crushed her it made him a rich man but destroyed a market for Roman products.

Anyway, even if you were right, is it really a positive to have the worst of both worlds?

Actually paying people to hate you?

[quote]orion wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Good bitch slapping,Varq.

There is not one empire in history that can escape the harshest of critiques.The only way to maintain Empire,has always been by draconian methods.

But some were more heartless than others.

The nostalgic view of the British Empire that many people seem to hold is totally ridiculous.It was one of the,if not the most, ruthless Empire to have graced the planet.

Congrats on missing the main point:

Since when is America supposed to be an empire? When did you start to compare yourselves to empires?

Especially when “There is not one empire in history that can escape the harshest of critiques” ?

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Congrats on jumping to conclusions.

I believe the U.S. is an empire.

I am not American.

Anything else?

[quote]Neuromancer wrote:
orion wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Good bitch slapping,Varq.

There is not one empire in history that can escape the harshest of critiques.The only way to maintain Empire,has always been by draconian methods.

But some were more heartless than others.

The nostalgic view of the British Empire that many people seem to hold is totally ridiculous.It was one of the,if not the most, ruthless Empire to have graced the planet.

Congrats on missing the main point:

Since when is America supposed to be an empire? When did you start to compare yourselves to empires?

Especially when “There is not one empire in history that can escape the harshest of critiques” ?

Congrats on jumping to conclusions.

I believe the U.S. is an empire.

I am not American.

Anything else?

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Yes.

I also believe you are a 13 year old girl, half-Mongolian, half-Irish and you speak fluent Suaheli.

How am I doing?

[quote]orion wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
orion wrote:
Neuromancer wrote:
Good bitch slapping,Varq.

There is not one empire in history that can escape the harshest of critiques.The only way to maintain Empire,has always been by draconian methods.

But some were more heartless than others.

The nostalgic view of the British Empire that many people seem to hold is totally ridiculous.It was one of the,if not the most, ruthless Empire to have graced the planet.

Congrats on missing the main point:

Since when is America supposed to be an empire? When did you start to compare yourselves to empires?

Especially when “There is not one empire in history that can escape the harshest of critiques” ?

Congrats on jumping to conclusions.

I believe the U.S. is an empire.

I am not American.

Anything else?

Yes.

I also believe you are a 13 year old girl, half-Mongolian, half-Irish and you speak fluent Suaheli.

How am I doing?

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Just perfect.You must be psychic!