What is Intensity?

[quote]desolator wrote:

[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
People saying that intensity is a % of a 1RM are just making up rules/defintions just for the sake of it, and it is pointless.

Intensity is just a primal urge that you can pull out, it makes you feel truly strong and that nothing can stop you from getting to where you want to be…

Intensity is when you just finish a set of DB presses/Squats/Deadlifts or whatever that makes your body shake all over, your eyes bloodshot and it takes you 5 minutes to catch your breath.

Intensity is a meaning that is only understood by people who have been successful at something, and is completely fucking lost on everyone else.

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No, no, no, no. “Intensity” is a TERM in training theory that has a VERY strict DEFINITION. Training theory is studied in many universities. I just said we have to agree beforehand which one meaning we are going to use.
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“Intensity” is a TERM in training theory that has a VERY strict DEFINITION (% 1RM).
Amen!! There is nothing intense about a marathon, although the effort required to complete one is immense.

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]desolator wrote:

[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
People saying that intensity is a % of a 1RM are just making up rules/defintions just for the sake of it, and it is pointless.

Intensity is just a primal urge that you can pull out, it makes you feel truly strong and that nothing can stop you from getting to where you want to be…

Intensity is when you just finish a set of DB presses/Squats/Deadlifts or whatever that makes your body shake all over, your eyes bloodshot and it takes you 5 minutes to catch your breath.

Intensity is a meaning that is only understood by people who have been successful at something, and is completely fucking lost on everyone else.

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No, no, no, no. “Intensity” is a TERM in training theory that has a VERY strict DEFINITION. Training theory is studied in many universities. I just said we have to agree beforehand which one meaning we are going to use.
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“Intensity” is a TERM in training theory that has a VERY strict DEFINITION (% 1RM).
Amen!! There is nothing intense about a marathon, although the effort required to complete one is immense.
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Although I hate getting anal about exactly what words mean, I think that the word intensity can become confusing if taken the wrong way.

Moreso in a book fashion; if the, shall I say layman or bodybuilder reads in a book that they are to do an intense phase, rather than a “volume phase”…they may think that the volume phase is lesser effort phase (no “intensity”)…and they may not associate the low reps with the real meaning of intensity.

[quote]desolator wrote:

[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
People saying that intensity is a % of a 1RM are just making up rules/defintions just for the sake of it, and it is pointless.

Intensity is just a primal urge that you can pull out, it makes you feel truly strong and that nothing can stop you from getting to where you want to be…

Intensity is when you just finish a set of DB presses/Squats/Deadlifts or whatever that makes your body shake all over, your eyes bloodshot and it takes you 5 minutes to catch your breath.

Intensity is a meaning that is only understood by people who have been successful at something, and is completely fucking lost on everyone else.

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No, no, no, no. “Intensity” is a TERM in training theory that has a VERY strict DEFINITION. Training theory is studied in many universities. I just said we have to agree beforehand which one meaning we are going to use.
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Well, I can tell that you have 18"+ arms.

If you want to be anal: Intensity - definition of intensity by The Free Dictionary

Guys- do you guys sacrifice good form for “not leaving anything in the tank”? And I’m not talking about body language on your Kroc Rows. I’m talking about sitting back in a squat, and making sure your shoulders are the first thing to come up out of the hole. or keeping your butt down for a DL PR.

I think Intesity is not leaving anything in the tank, but the above concerns me…

[quote]skaterhernandez4 wrote:
Guys- do you guys sacrifice good form for “not leaving anything in the tank”? And I’m not talking about body language on your Kroc Rows. I’m talking about sitting back in a squat, and making sure your shoulders are the first thing to come up out of the hole. or keeping your butt down for a DL PR.

I think Intesity is not leaving anything in the tank, but the above concerns me…[/quote]

Well this is what seperates beginning lifters from more experienced ones:

A beginning lifter might not have the form of that exercise ‘ingrained’ into him, and his form will get sloppier on the later reps.

If you are experienced you can keep the same form/concentration and your last rep won’t be that sloppy at all, it’ll just be a slower speed due to grinding it out.

[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
People saying that intensity is a % of a 1RM are just making up rules
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Well, I can tell that you have 18"+ arms.

If you want to be anal: Intensity - definition of intensity by The Free Dictionary
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Excellent examples…note that the definitions are always contrasted against the extreme or maximum.

[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
People saying that intensity is a % of a 1RM are just making up rules/defintions just for the sake of it, and it is pointless.

Intensity is just a primal urge that you can pull out, it makes you feel truly strong and that nothing can stop you from getting to where you want to be…

Intensity is when you just finish a set of DB presses/Squats/Deadlifts or whatever that makes your body shake all over, your eyes bloodshot and it takes you 5 minutes to catch your breath.

Intensity is a meaning that is only understood by people who have been successful at something, and is completely fucking lost on everyone else.[/quote]

People can define and use words however they want.

Some ways are useful for communication.

Some are fairly useless.

Some even impede communication.

Some ways convey precise information and can be exactly understood.

Others do not.

Some ways lead to readily giving accurate advice including even for small needed changes; others do not.

Anyone who likes a “RRRAAAAAAAAHHHH!!! MAN THAT WAS FRAKKING INTENSE DUDE!!” meaning can of course feel it is the best meaning, or even the one true meaning that the great ones know and all others do not. And he can use the word that way as much as he wants, of course.

But each can evaluate for himself how that meaning fits in with regard to the above considerations.

True intensity means ‘unleashing Franklinstein’:

[quote]Goodfellow wrote:

[quote]skaterhernandez4 wrote:
Guys- do you guys sacrifice good form for “not leaving anything in the tank”? And I’m not talking about body language on your Kroc Rows. I’m talking about sitting back in a squat, and making sure your shoulders are the first thing to come up out of the hole. or keeping your butt down for a DL PR.

I think Intesity is not leaving anything in the tank, but the above concerns me…[/quote]

Well this is what seperates beginning lifters from more experienced ones:

A beginning lifter might not have the form of that exercise ‘ingrained’ into him, and his form will get sloppier on the later reps.

If you are experienced you can keep the same form/concentration and your last rep won’t be that sloppy at all, it’ll just be a slower speed due to grinding it out.[/quote]

Yeah and I also add, avoid using sloppy sloppy form to grind out a last rep, not worth the injury, I’ve done some stupid shit and am fortunate some minor injuries have gone away, no reason to risk your lifting career to perform a lift you shouldn’t bother attempting…

BE SMART

[quote]Goodfellow wrote:

[quote]desolator wrote:

[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
People saying that intensity is a % of a 1RM are just making up rules/defintions just for the sake of it, and it is pointless.

Intensity is just a primal urge that you can pull out, it makes you feel truly strong and that nothing can stop you from getting to where you want to be…

Intensity is when you just finish a set of DB presses/Squats/Deadlifts or whatever that makes your body shake all over, your eyes bloodshot and it takes you 5 minutes to catch your breath.

Intensity is a meaning that is only understood by people who have been successful at something, and is completely fucking lost on everyone else.

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No, no, no, no. “Intensity” is a TERM in training theory that has a VERY strict DEFINITION. Training theory is studied in many universities. I just said we have to agree beforehand which one meaning we are going to use.
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Well, I can tell that you have 18"+ arms.

If you want to be anal: Intensity - definition of intensity by The Free Dictionary
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What does my arm measurement has to do with this? This link you provided isn’t valid. Open a college book about training theory and search the defition of the term INTENSITY. It’s like trying to explain the mathematical term “Group” with the classic dictionary definition.

You tell me how many inches is my arms.

[quote]desolator wrote:

You tell me how many inches is my arms.[/quote]

16.7254!

[quote]skaterhernandez4 wrote:
Guys- do you guys sacrifice good form for “not leaving anything in the tank”? And I’m not talking about body language on your Kroc Rows. I’m talking about sitting back in a squat, and making sure your shoulders are the first thing to come up out of the hole. or keeping your butt down for a DL PR.

I think Intesity is not leaving anything in the tank, but the above concerns me…[/quote]

I think that every once in a while it’s good to work on form. But that’s as far as it goes. A person who needs to work on form may get some growth from working on it, but only up to a certain point.

A person who does perfect form but rubbish intensity (as in effort) isn’t going to progress as much as someone with excellent intensity/effort with poor form (provided recovery is in order).

Then you have to consider “optimum target muscle range of motion” (I just made that up btw). Take for example pullups; most people find it better to limit the ROM on them because it activates the target muscles more (e.g. just do the middle range mainly)…so long as 100% effort is applied.

[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
Well this is what seperates beginning lifters from more experienced ones:

A beginning lifter might not have the form of that exercise ‘ingrained’ into him, and his form will get sloppier on the later reps.

If you are experienced you can keep the same form/concentration and your last rep won’t be that sloppy at all, it’ll just be a slower speed due to grinding it out.[/quote]

I agree with all that. Form is very important, ESPECIALLY on exercises it’s easy to cheat. For example, it’s very easy for me to get 3-4 more reps on squat using my lower back, but that’s going to jack the lower back bad. That will be “bad intensity” and won’t being achieving anything. The same goes for example, for rounded back deadlifts, and to a lesser degree bouncing bench press.

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]desolator wrote:

[quote]Goodfellow wrote:
People saying that intensity is a % of a 1RM are just making up rules/defintions just for the sake of it, and it is pointless.

Intensity is just a primal urge that you can pull out, it makes you feel truly strong and that nothing can stop you from getting to where you want to be…

Intensity is when you just finish a set of DB presses/Squats/Deadlifts or whatever that makes your body shake all over, your eyes bloodshot and it takes you 5 minutes to catch your breath.

Intensity is a meaning that is only understood by people who have been successful at something, and is completely fucking lost on everyone else.

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No, no, no, no. “Intensity” is a TERM in training theory that has a VERY strict DEFINITION. Training theory is studied in many universities. I just said we have to agree beforehand which one meaning we are going to use.
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“Intensity” is a TERM in training theory that has a VERY strict DEFINITION (% 1RM).
Amen!! There is nothing intense about a marathon, although the effort required to complete one is immense.
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I agree.

[quote]desolator wrote:
I just said we have to agree beforehand which one meaning we are going to use.[/quote]

The problem is, this will not happen.

Some will continue to use it in the “rah rah” sense, and others in a precise sense.

It would be a hopeless endeavour to try to standardize this situation.

The best that can be done is to improve one’s own communication and keep in mind that when using this word – if using it at all – what you say or write may well be read with different meaning than you ever intended. And so at the least some care ought to be taken with the overall context to reduce the frequency of that.

The general problem of ambiguity here is one that unfortunately is either a weakness of the human race or at least of the English language.

For example, I have never seen anyone criticize the ambiguity of the commonly-used phrase “if not such-and-such.”

Some use it meaning BUT NOT.

Others use it meaning OR EVEN.

Now sometimes the context makes it obvious which is the pet style involved, because the other way wouldn’t make sense.

But all too often one will run into a statement such as, “The Lewiston Mark 5 is the fastest 50 foot production boat we’ve tested, if not the fastest made today.”

Does that mean it’s the fastest they’ve tested but not the fastest such boat made today?

Or does it mean that it’s the fastest they’ve tested and the author thinks it may even be the fastest such boat in the world today?

You can’t tell.

But good luck stamping out this inconsisent usage. It would take even more luck to stamp out the inconsistency with use of the word “intensity” with regard to resistance training.

As to how to communicate clearly oneself, what has seemed best to me is, rather than use a vague word such as “high” and then talk about “intensity,” if what one means is percent 1RM then be a little clearer on how high, and say %1RM rather than intensity. It’s one extra syllable if speaking it, but several fewer letters if writing it.

E.g., “85-90% 1RM” not “near-maximal intensity.”

Or if one wants to talk about how much blood and guts is being put into it, then surely there are better ways of talking about it than repeating the word “intensity,” anyway.

[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:

[quote]desolator wrote:
I just said we have to agree beforehand which one meaning we are going to use.[/quote]

The problem is, this will not happen.

Some will continue to use it in the “rah rah” sense, and others in a precise sense.

It would be a hopeless endeavour to try to standardize this situation.

The best that can be done is to improve one’s own communication and keep in mind that when using this word – if using it at all – what you say or write may well be read with different meaning than you ever intended. And so at the least some care ought to be taken with the overall context to reduce the frequency of that.

The general problem of ambiguity here is one that unfortunately is either a weakness of the human race or at least of the English language.

For example, I have never seen anyone criticize the ambiguity of the commonly-used phrase “if not such-and-such.”

Some use it meaning BUT NOT.

Others use it meaning OR EVEN.

Now sometimes the context makes it obvious which is the pet style involved, because the other way wouldn’t make sense.

But all too often one will run into a statement such as, “The Super Excalibur Mk 5 is the fastest 50 foot production boat we’ve tested, if not the fastest made today.”

Does that mean it’s the fastest they’ve tested but not the fastest such boat made today?

Or does it mean that it’s the fastest they’ve tested and the author thinks it may even be the fastest such boat in the world today?

You can’t tell.

But good luck stamping out this inconsisent usage. It would take even more luck to stamp out the inconsistency with use of the word “intensity” with regard to resistance training.

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The idea of trying to use a commonly known word and changing it’s meaning is a weakness of language in general.

What is the point of linking the word ‘intensity’ with a % of your 1RM?

Why not just say “The subject was using a high % of their 1RM?”

Using the phrase “The subject used a high intensity” instead, just seems to me, pedantic.

Does it make people feel academically superior when someone doesn’t understand a simple meaning and they do?

It’s utterly pointless and to me, shows a lack of common sense.

This subject just touches a nerve with me. For example, I’ve spent the last 3 months trying to teach myself a year’s worth of biotechnology; I often find myself skipping around re-constructed meanings of words (sometimes entire sentences). It just feels so unnecassery and it’s very time consuming!

It isn’t the case that just now people are coming up with the percent 1RM meaning in an effort to change the meanings of words. Not so.

Basically it seems you are assuming that how you take words is just naturally right and anyone who uses them differently is just naturally wrong.

Just as the writer who would mean a given boat is fast BUT NOT the fastest of its type and in that situation uses the phrase “if not,” is completely convinced he is right and that a writer who uses “if not” to mean “or even” is just wrong.

I’m not at all disagreeing that you can yourself think and mean the “rah rah” meaning.

What I find questionable is the assumption that you’re naturally right, that this is the one true meaning, and everyone who uses the word differently than you is wrong.

And I would point that quite little of communicative use, or practical instructive use – so far as advising how to adjust what someone does – is achieved with the “rah rah” meaning.

It’s a great way to feel superior to others or to express that, or to charge oneself up. For the latter one could say, “Light weight, baby!” instead, but that’s been used so I guess not.

The above is about its entire value as a usage, so far as I can tell.

It sure isn’t useful for giving at-all-accurate pictures either of what someone has done or how one is advising someone to make an adjustment in what they do.

Rah-rah.

That’s about all it can communicate.

And if that’s what one finds useful to communicate, then okay.

Or – and I don’t mean this in reference to you personally, but generally – if someone’s gotta talk about how “intense” they are, well, we’ve all heard it before a thousand times. Frankly it’s not that interesting and most certainly not useful in any practical sense to listen to.

If someone’s a goldbricker in the gym, it’s not going to make a difference to them to hear this: if someone has serious mental and physical drive, they don’t need to hear it either.

[dr_evil_voice] Really.

[quote]RMorrison wrote:
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It doesn’t count if you rest for 5-10 seconds between every rep.

It should happen. When you are in a conversation with a mathematician, you know the term “Group” has it’s meaning. The same when you say the word “Stress” to a civil engineering. You have agreed before-hand about it. Now the good part.

When you are discussing with a powerlifter, the term intensity ALWAYS refers to the %RM. I just hate when there are misunderstandings that are caused from lack of communication.