[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
I’m sorry to disappoint you Fletch. I flunked 8th grade and dropped out in 10th which should have been 11th. Actually it’s a miracle I lived to see my 20th birthday.[/quote]
I’m not disappointed. I’m impressed! I’m sure my vocabulary would’ve gone to the crapper without formal education. Sounds like you had a crazy life at one point. [/quote]I studied alot on my own and yes my teen years were entirely outta control. I was born again when I was 20. I had some years of horrible backsliding after that too. Another whole long story. God was faithful when I was not. Just like with Israel. Another another whole long story.
[quote]He is quite unimpressed with your opinion. (or mine)
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Oh, did God tell you that? So now God speaks to you and to disagree with Tribulus is to disagree with God? Well, meet the prophet of T-Nation!!
Let us open up the Platitudes and tuck you neatly in between Deuteronomy and Numbers!!
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!
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For a supposed scholar, you seem incredibly careless. You mean between Numbers and Deuteronomy? Cause that’s their order in the Pentateuch/Torah; not vice versa. Kamui never makes mistakes like that, and he is an ACTUAL philosopher, not someone just trolling for attention.[/quote]
I’ll listen! I’m always up for free education.[/quote]
I know you’re just trolling but here actually is a worthwhile question: why WOULD Spinoza, one of the most gifted of men, reject the Christian version of God and in his ‘Ethics’ describe quite a different version of God?
Spinoza tried to resolve these differences but his matchless integrity wouldn’t allow it.
The pain he must have felt would be beyond description…(srsly)
Yeah, I posted 3 different versions of this story, for three different reasons, but read what she says… She was after all a total atheist, so she should have some cred as an atheist.
Yeah, I posted 3 different versions of this story, for three different reasons, but read what she says… She was after all a total atheist, so she should have some cred as an atheist.
You know, this is one person right? That in reality most people who switch become atheists and not visa versa.
I’m baffled at how her metaphysical and moral philosophy concerns make her think there is something to Catholic philosophy at all andjustifies the leap to the numerous wild beliefs of Catholic theology.
She also mentions that she doesn’t understand the CC’s stance on gays. How strange is it that she is drawn to Catholicism for it’s “moral truths” when the CC’s beliefs on LGBT is rotten to the core.
I’ll listen! I’m always up for free education.[/quote]
I know you’re just trolling but here actually is a worthwhile question: why WOULD Spinoza, one of the most gifted of men, reject the Christian version of God and in his ‘Ethics’ describe quite a different version of God?
Spinoza tried to resolve these differences but his matchless integrity wouldn’t allow it.
The pain he must have felt would be beyond description…(srsly)
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Spinoza never was a christian. So he never had to reject the “Christian version of God”.
The jewish one, maybe.
Actually, he started by rejecting the idea that the Bible is the inherent word of God. Was one of the first to systematically use historical and philological criticism.
But the Ethics is not a theology. Spinoza’s problem is not “what can we learn about God, using Reason alone ?”. It’s “what is a Substance ?”.
It simply happens that there is only one, infinite substance, and that’s this substance is God.
[quote]Headhunter wrote: why WOULD Spinoza, one of the most gifted of men, reject the Christian version of God and in his ‘Ethics’ describe quite a different version of God? >>>[/quote]Not only do you not know a thing about Christianity dude? You DO NOT listen. Intelligence and giftedness are literally worse than useless in the pursuit of God apart from His grace. EVERYBODY will reject the true and living God if left to themselves. The more gifted they are, the generally further sway they get. Maybe I’ll take a vacation for a while. You are doing a fine job of demonstrating the Christian faith without me.
[quote]pat wrote:<<< She was after all a total atheist, so she should have some cred as an atheist. >>>[/quote]Conversions to and or from anything to anything else mean nothing by themselves except as possibly authoritative sources of information on what they left and even that is very VERY far from a given. Somebody could probably find conversion stories of people leaving "The Spiritual Siblings of the Sanctified Sandbox " for “The Bountiful Brethren of Barney the Exalted Purple Dinosaur” if they looked around.
If ‘intelligence and giftedness are literally worse than useless’, then what should I use to believe what you or the Bible or whatever says?
If to be a Catholic/Christian means to shut off my mind in order to do so, then I reject that completely. God gave me a brain – if he wants to damn me for using it, then HE is the guilty one. Like giving a gun to a child and then the child kills someone, the giver of the gun is the guilty party.
It is not Man who should seek forgiveness from any Christian god, but rather the Christian god who should seek forgiveness from Man.
The God of Spinoza, of Vishnu, of the Spirit…fine. Those are cool. They don’t ask me to become a mindless robot seeking salvation through self-immolation. The god who punishes just for being alive and being a man…nope. Just…nope.
“And now I see the face of God, this God that man has sought since Man became Man…this God, this one word — I.” Ayn Rand, Anthem (paraphrase from memory)
[quote]therajraj wrote:
She also mentions that she doesn’t understand the CC’s stance on gays. How strange is it that she is drawn to Catholicism for it’s “moral truths” when the CC’s beliefs on LGBT is rotten to the core.[/quote]Actually they’re pretty close there.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< If to be a <<<>>>Christian means to shut off my mind in order to do so, then I reject that completely. >>>[/quote]AU CONTRAIRE!!! Your mind will not be turned on UNTIL surrendered to the God who designed it. [quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< God gave me a brain – if he wants to damn me for using it, then HE is the guilty one. >>>[/quote]NO NO NO Skippy!!! He does not want to damn you for using it. You are already damned for not using it to His glory. That’s what it’s for. [quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< Like giving a gun to a child and then the child kills someone, the giver of the gun is the guilty party. >>>[/quote] There you go again. It is NOT like that. It is more like giving a grown man a gun, spending ample time teaching him to use it, wallpapering his whole house(and the whole rest of the universe) with pictures of yourself with messages confirming that you are the one who gave it him and that he should use it like you showed him and he shoots at you anyway. [quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< It is not Man who should seek forgiveness from any Christian god, but rather the Christian god who should seek forgiveness from Man. >>>[/quote]I’m gonna just go ahead and assure you that this will never occur. [quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< The God of Spinoza, of Vishnu, of the Spirit…fine. Those are cool. >>>[/quote] They’re cool??? That’s like really groovalicious man. All they have to do now is exist and their coolness might actually be… well… cool. [quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< They don’t ask me to become a mindless robot seeking salvation through self-immolation. >>>[/quote] And the living God will bring your mind to life and show you that self-anything will buy you a one way ticket to the lake of fire. At His hand. Not yours. [quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< The god who punishes just for being alive and being a man…nope. Just…nope. >>>[/quote]Boy you have a whole pantheon of imaginary gods goin in this post dude. [quote]Headhunter wrote:<<< “And now I see the face of God, this God that man has sought since Man became Man…this God, this one word — I.” Ayn Rand, Anthem (paraphrase from memory)[/quote]“I wish I were an Oscar Meyer Weeener — then everyone would be in love be with me” . Old hot dog commercial (verbatim from memory)
[quote]therajraj wrote:
She also mentions that she doesn’t understand the CC’s stance on gays. How strange is it that she is drawn to Catholicism for it’s “moral truths” when the CC’s beliefs on LGBT is rotten to the core.[/quote]
Yeah, I posted 3 different versions of this story, for three different reasons, but read what she says… She was after all a total atheist, so she should have some cred as an atheist.
You know, this is one person right? That in reality most people who switch become atheists and not visa versa.
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In reality your wrong. Besides you just made an argument for atheism to be a religion. If atheism isn’t a religion then how can you convert?
I wasn’t touting her, per se I was touting her reasoning.
Like I said, YOU only look for reasons not to believe, you never investigate reasons to believe. Her reasoning stands pat though, the basis for metaphysical objects such as morality doesn’t exist in atheism, therefore the attempt is to make it relativism in order to preserve a false belief. Atheism is simply a silly fiction. It reasons that everything ultimately happens for nothing. That’s plainly illogical. It will ultimately die because it is false.
Atheists refuse to follow logic to it’s necessary end because they know where it will lead them and their ego prevents them from admitting they are wrong. In the end that’s all it’s about, ego.
[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m baffled at how her metaphysical and moral philosophy concerns make her think there is something to Catholic philosophy at all andjustifies the leap to the numerous wild beliefs of Catholic theology. [/quote]
She investigated it and you haven’t. You think there is nothing to Catholic philosophy? What do you really know about it? My guess is absolutely nothing.