What if Christians are Wrong?

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[quote]pat wrote:

In reality your wrong. Besides you just made an argument for atheism to be a religion. If atheism isn’t a religion then how can you convert?[/quote]

Where in my post did I write convert?

If you deconvert from a religion and do not adopt a new one, then you are an atheist.

[quote]pat wrote:

I wasn’t touting her, per se I was touting her reasoning.
Like I said, YOU only look for reasons not to believe, you never investigate reasons to believe. [/quote]

Do you mind not assuming things about me? I was once upon a time a Hindu, not a deeply religious one, but I certainly was a theist.

I actually investigated what I believed, looked for evidence for god, never came up with something that justified belief.

[quote]pat wrote:

Her reasoning stands pat though, the basis for metaphysical objects such as morality doesn’t exist in atheism, therefore the attempt is to make it relativism in order to preserve a false belief. Atheism is simply a silly fiction. It reasons that everything ultimately happens for nothing. That’s plainly illogical. It will ultimately die because it is false.

Atheists refuse to follow logic to it’s necessary end because they know where it will lead them and their ego prevents them from admitting they are wrong. In the end that’s all it’s about, ego. [/quote]

We’ve discussed this at length before and not really interested in going down this again.

I do find it funny you called “atheism a silly fiction” and “plainly illogical” though.

Yet, somehow a virgin birth story and the conversion of a cracker into a 1st century Jew are completely logical right?

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
I’m baffled at how her metaphysical and moral philosophy concerns make her think there is something to Catholic philosophy at all andjustifies the leap to the numerous wild beliefs of Catholic theology. [/quote]

She investigated it and you haven’t. You think there is nothing to Catholic philosophy? What do you really know about it? My guess is absolutely nothing.[/quote]

You’re wrong, I have investigated it. Now STOP with your assumptions of me.

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
She also mentions that she doesn’t understand the CC’s stance on gays. How strange is it that she is drawn to Catholicism for it’s “moral truths” when the CC’s beliefs on LGBT is rotten to the core.[/quote]

What is it’s stance?[/quote]

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:<<< No he just listens to a lot of black preachers. ;)[/quote]Very cute Christopher. =] Like this little guy again. You are correct though.
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Like a boss…I have many friends who are the stereotypical black preacher when it comes to vocabulary, tone, cadence, &c. People pick up their way of talking/vocabulary after listening to them for awhile.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
Another question:

What if Christians are right?

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Are you baptized?

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[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Another question:

What if Christians are right?

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This lady figured it out…

Yeah, I posted 3 different versions of this story, for three different reasons, but read what she says… She was after all a total atheist, so she should have some cred as an atheist.

No, she is just imbalanced. Going from one extreme to the other.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
She also mentions that she doesn’t understand the CC’s stance on gays. How strange is it that she is drawn to Catholicism for it’s “moral truths” when the CC’s beliefs on LGBT is rotten to the core.[/quote]

I would like to know what you believe the CC says on LGBT.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]pat wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
She also mentions that she doesn’t understand the CC’s stance on gays. How strange is it that she is drawn to Catholicism for it’s “moral truths” when the CC’s beliefs on LGBT is rotten to the core.[/quote]

What is it’s stance?[/quote]

http://www.catholic.com/tracts/homosexuality[/quote]

What do you think it says?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
She also mentions that she doesn’t understand the CC’s stance on gays. How strange is it that she is drawn to Catholicism for it’s “moral truths” when the CC’s beliefs on LGBT is rotten to the core.[/quote]

I would like to know what you believe the CC says on LGBT. [/quote]

It’s sinful and against natural law? Same-sex attraction however is not sinful.

Now tell me what you think the CC says on LGBT

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Another question:

What if Christians are right?

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Are you baptized?[/quote]

Baptism? Don’t you mean exorcism?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:<<< It’s sinful and against natural law? Same-sex attraction however is not sinful. Now tell me what you think the CC says on LGBT[/quote]Incidentally, on the off chance that you might care, I essentially agree with the Catholics(big C) here. Homosexuality is an unequivocal violation of the law of God as clearly stated in both testaments. A perversion of His created order and a defilement of His covenant of marriage which illustrates Christ’s marriage to His church bride.
However, as with any sin, the temptation and propensity toward it is not itself sin. The willful entertaining of or acting upon that temptation IS sin. Everything I’ve just said also applies to heterosexual sin as well. This was the prevailing view in this country before she decided to kill herself btw.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:
…the CC’s beliefs on LGBT is rotten to the core.[/quote]

Raj I’ve told you before, it’s the L.G.B.T.Q.I. community. That stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual, Transgender, Questioning and Interested. If you leave out the “Q” and the “I” people will think you are discriminating against them. People will think you are against the conferring of “rights” upon the “interested” and “questioning” community. You have to call them the L.G.B.T.Q.I. community okay?

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

Now tell me what you think the CC says on LGBT[/quote]

I think Mark Levin has some valid questions about L.G.B.T. “rights.”

Mark Levin: Let’s look at the “B” of the LGBT rights shall we? What are bi-sexual rights? Honest to God I have no idea. Is there a bi-sexual rights movement out there? What is that? What are the rights that they want and why do I need to know? What the hell does it have to do with me? Bi-sexual rights? What does that mean? They want to be able to marry a man and a woman at the same time? I don’t even know what that means!

Now, trans-whatchacallit? Transgender? What are those rights? I’m transgender and I have a right to what? What? Mr Producer, we’re discriminating and we don’t even know what the hell we’re discriminating against!

All good questions. Any answers?

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

Now tell me what you think the CC says on LGBT[/quote]

I think Mark Levin has some valid questions about L.G.B.T. “rights.”

Mark Levin: Let’s look at the “B” of the LGBT rights shall we? What are bi-sexual rights? Honest to God I have no idea. Is there a bi-sexual rights movement out there? What is that? What are the rights that they want and why do I need to know? What the hell does it have to do with me? Bi-sexual rights? What does that mean? They want to be able to marry a man and a woman at the same time? I don’t even know what that means!

Now, trans-whatchacallit? Transgender? What are those rights? I’m transgender and I have a right to what? What? Mr Producer, we’re discriminating and we don’t even know what the hell we’re discriminating against!

All good questions. Any answers?[/quote]

Thanks for sharing that you’re confused. Perhaps you should email an LGBT organization. Not sure why you’re posting that in this thread.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

Now tell me what you think the CC says on LGBT[/quote]

I think Mark Levin has some valid questions about L.G.B.T. “rights.”

Mark Levin: Let’s look at the “B” of the LGBT rights shall we? What are bi-sexual rights? Honest to God I have no idea. Is there a bi-sexual rights movement out there? What is that? What are the rights that they want and why do I need to know? What the hell does it have to do with me? Bi-sexual rights? What does that mean? They want to be able to marry a man and a woman at the same time? I don’t even know what that means!

Now, trans-whatchacallit? Transgender? What are those rights? I’m transgender and I have a right to what? What? Mr Producer, we’re discriminating and we don’t even know what the hell we’re discriminating against!

All good questions. Any answers?[/quote]

Thanks for sharing that you’re confused. Perhaps you should email an LGBT organization. Not sure why you’re posting that in this thread.

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Right, so no answers as to what “bi-sexual rights” actually are or anything? Okay. And I was posting in response to your posts RE LGBT. So LGBT can only be raised in the context of attacking the Catholic Church and people of faith in this thread. Okay, gotcha. Thanks.

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[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]SexMachine wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:

Now tell me what you think the CC says on LGBT[/quote]

I think Mark Levin has some valid questions about L.G.B.T. “rights.”

Mark Levin: Let’s look at the “B” of the LGBT rights shall we? What are bi-sexual rights? Honest to God I have no idea. Is there a bi-sexual rights movement out there? What is that? What are the rights that they want and why do I need to know? What the hell does it have to do with me? Bi-sexual rights? What does that mean? They want to be able to marry a man and a woman at the same time? I don’t even know what that means!

Now, trans-whatchacallit? Transgender? What are those rights? I’m transgender and I have a right to what? What? Mr Producer, we’re discriminating and we don’t even know what the hell we’re discriminating against!

All good questions. Any answers?[/quote]

Thanks for sharing that you’re confused. Perhaps you should email an LGBT organization. Not sure why you’re posting that in this thread.

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Right, so no answers as to what “bi-sexual rights” actually are or anything? Okay. And I was posting in response to your posts RE LGBT. So LGBT can only be raised in the context of attacking the Catholic Church and people of faith in this thread. Okay, gotcha. Thanks.[/quote]

Bring up whatever the hell you want, I’m just unsure why you’re asking me about it.

I’m not an LGBT spokesperson.

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You brought it up…again. This time it was an accusation that the Catholic Church holds “beliefs on LGBT” that are “rotten to the core” - either that or you were quoting someone else who said that. In response I questioned what LGBT actually is and so on. Anyway, as always it’s been swell.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
She also mentions that she doesn’t understand the CC’s stance on gays. How strange is it that she is drawn to Catholicism for it’s “moral truths” when the CC’s beliefs on LGBT is rotten to the core.[/quote]

I would like to know what you believe the CC says on LGBT. [/quote]

It’s sinful and against natural law? Same-sex attraction however is not sinful.

Now tell me what you think the CC says on LGBT[/quote]

Well, to put it into its proper frame…sexual morality is all about developing a capacity for self-giving/self-sacrificial love so that we do not use each other. When in the proper context sex is a lifelong commitment between husband and wife.

The Church welcomes and embraces gay people. And, many committed Catholics are gay, living faithful and chaste lives. You’ll find homosexual people at Mass and working for the Church.

The Church, however, does reject discrimination and prejudice against homosexual people. Church teaching does not say homosexual people are disordered, but that sex is ordered to marriage and children and that is why homosexual people, like all of us who are unmarried, are called to chastity as the best way of learning self-giving love.

Of course marriage may be closed to homosexual people, as it is to many people. But like everyone else who is not married or cannot marry, homosexual people are called to develop intimate, trusting, and loving (but chaste) relationships.

To reiterate a couple points further, we favor laws which outlaw discrimination against homosexual people, but not laws which undermine the special place of marriage or which are against the best interest of a child. Cohabiting couples may need protection and support in law with regard to inheritance, tax, and other financial issues, but marriage, which can be only between a man and a woman, is a unique institution which deserves special protection, and is the proper place for a child.

The second point, is that the Church does not oppose same-sex marriage and adoption because it is against equality or gay rights, but rather because other interests and rights (especially those of the child) should weigh more heavily in the balance.

I can speak more on the issue if you wish.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Another question:

What if Christians are right?

[/quote]

Are you baptized?[/quote]

Baptism? Don’t you mean exorcism?[/quote]

Well, as a baby you should have been exorcised, as well. But, no I was specifically asking if you were baptized.

P.S. I can pray a deliverance prayer right now with you, as well. Most people usually benefit from deliverance prayer for sure. But, anyway.

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[quote]therajraj wrote:

[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]therajraj wrote:
Another question:

What if Christians are right?

[/quote]

Are you baptized?[/quote]

Baptism? Don’t you mean exorcism?[/quote]

Well, as a baby you should have been exorcised, as well. But, no I was specifically asking if you were baptized.

P.S. I can pray a deliverance prayer right now with you, as well. Most people usually benefit from deliverance prayer for sure. But, anyway.