What I Like About Chris Shugart, Agreements

I’ve lost 60 lbs 3 times in my life (haven’t kept it off more than a few years then had to lose it again) so these observations are purely about me and about the losing fat portion:

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
He says that consuming a protein-sparing modified fast consisting of all or nearly all solid food only looks good on paper and that this approach results in failure for most who’ve tried it.

Well, it doesn’t look good only on paper. I think I look pretty good after 4.5 weeks on a PSMF having dropped 15 pounds of flab. In a recent conversation with my fellow RDs, quite a few discussed the success they had with their clients using PSMFs that consisted of nearly all solid food. When I did the Rapid Fat Loss Diet recently, I consumed TWO protein-shake meal replacements in 4.5 weeks, excluding mid-workout nutrition!
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I tried the v-diet after eating low (like 10-20%) carb for several months.

I agree, in the end I found it easier to eat appropriately while eating regular food than I did on the v-diet. One big reason I think is that the shakes have lots of artificial sweetners, this alone affects my sweet tooth and cravings. when I eat real food, i eat meat and vegetables and the only sweets I get are fruit, which are often less sweet than a flavored shake, which is not what you’d expect. While eating food I had no cravings and could easily resist the doughnuts in the break room. While on the V-Diet, my cravings came back.

Also there may be other reasons eating food takes longer, maybe it feels more like “work” and leaves me feeling more sated, maybe because the dairy has a higher glycemic load, I don’t know I don’t like speculating too much in those areas.

Obviously counting macros and calories is easier with a processed food like a shake, it can still be done if you prepare most of your meals yourself.

The one good thing the V-diet taught me was I was not getting enough protein, it was the first time I really got enough, my lbm was 140-150 when I started (I weighed 250) so I was eating only about 140 g, when I bumped it up to 210 or so grams I really saw a difference. Of course that’s not the vdiet itself.

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Another idea that SEEMS to have been promoted in his writings is that cheat meals have no place in a diet. Of course writings can sometimes be misinterpreted, but that seems to be his general flavor when discussing cheat meals. [/quote]

For me this is true, if I eat crap then mentally I really have to work at getting back in the game. But it’s not really the cheat meal itself, it’s me. But telling myself it’s no big deal helps. Making a big deal out of it is just crying over spilled milk.

But I find a lot of mental things I have to do anyway like visualization. Having goals is what’s most important, because then I can focus on my goal when making decisions.

[quote]PatMac wrote: I can relate to you CL. I need to stay away for sweet foods because once I have a little, I eat until everything is gone. I have never understood those individuals who can have a small piece of cake, a single chocolate bar or not eat the entire box of cookies.

People told me that my will power was bad but I don’t think it has anything to do with will power, I think it’s instinctual. I can definitely see a time in our evolutionary history were gourging on high calorie food was the appropriate thing to do - we needed to get the food in while it was there because once it was gone, it was gone.[/quote]

There are two components. Once, continuing to eat is COMPULSION. When I talk to drug addicts, I feel their pain. I am a food addict. So once I start eating that stuff, it’s like something else takes over. I feel obsessed about the next bite. I even feel something like an adrenaline rush. It’s like being in another body. It’s crazy.

Plus, there is the hormonal issue. If I eat a “normal” meal, no hormone kicks in to tell me I’ve eaten - even if I wait 20 minutes. So I go through life hungry.

If I waited until I was full, it would mean I was physically feel, and could’t breath because my stomach is pushing out against my lungs.

So there are several components to the issue.

I certainly do envy people who can eat a bowl of ice cream and not start getting cracked out about the next serving.

He makes it okay to be 160lb V-Dieter because you’ll be ripped and look bigger anyways. I’m not down with da Shuga.

100% agree with everything you said. Bricknyce that is in the first post.

[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
He makes it okay to be 160lb V-Dieter because you’ll be ripped and look bigger anyways. I’m not down with da Shuga. [/quote]

I don’t mind, because it IS OK to be 160 pounds.

Hi all,

Not really sure why we need a post about this, but just like anything else on this site (or in life) for that matter, I take what I think applies to me or what will benefit me and run with it. The rest I leave. End of story as far as my life is concerned.

As a writer and a lifter, I love his articles. Inspirational, no bullshit and entertaining. Check out “Ghosts” under his Hammer…his writing makes me think and I appreciate that. Great writer and teacher to some extent. What exactly is the problem?

[quote]CaliforniaLaw wrote:
I even feel something like an adrenaline rush. It’s like being in another body.
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That’s a great way to describe it. I find each cookie is like a small hit and I chew my way through the bag until I run out of hits. I’m sure I have control over it, but it sure has hell feels like a runaway train.

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[quote]shady659 wrote:
Hi all,

Not really sure why we need a post about this, but just like anything else on this site (or in life) for that matter, I take what I think applies to me or what will benefit me and run with it. The rest I leave. End of story as far as my life is concerned.

As a writer and a lifter, I love his articles. Inspirational, no bullshit and entertaining. Check out “Ghosts” under his Hammer…his writing makes me think and I appreciate that. Great writer and teacher to some extent. What exactly is the problem?[/quote]

This thread wasn’t started out of NEED. As a matter of fact, I think 99% of the threads on this board weren’t started out of NEED and display new heights of brazenness, mendacity, stupidity, inefficiency, immorality, and misinformation.

As you can see, in all 1,000+ words of my original post, I say where I disagree and agree with CS and apologize for my rather juvenile criticism of and joking about him in the past.

By the way, folks, do you think we NEED threads on how to convince women to swallow semen?

Thanks Gillium.

Yes, as I said, they will have to get a hold of their food intake. But I don’t think most people will be or even want to be successful with the counting method, calculating calories and macronutrient percentages and grams. I think they will do far better with the portion control method. Maybe they can start out with the counting method to kind of get an idea of what their portions should look like.

“What exactly is the problem?”

I missed this one and it’s yet another example of the absolutely atrocious reading skills that have become so common amongst people, especially on this board. AGAIN, in all 1,000+ words of my original post, did I ever present a problem? NO!

[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
He makes it okay to be 160lb V-Dieter because you’ll be ripped and look bigger anyways. I’m not down with da Shuga.

I don’t mind, because it IS OK to be 160 pounds. [/quote]

???

If your 5ft tall maybe, but on A BODYBUILDING FORUM its HELL not ok to be 160lbs soaking wet.

Really do wonder sometimes WHY people post here with NO intention of or even liking bodybuilding.

There is LOTS of subforums so why come to the BODYBUILDING bit and claim to want to diet down to starving african level of weight and say thats ok !

Chris is great! Do you have to agree with everything he says? No, of course not.

This thread is pointless & the OP has no life.

I for one, am not 160 pounds, nor do I want to be. I weigh 220 right now, at a height of 5’10". As I said before, my highest bodyweight was 245# when I was following a powerlifting program. I must have been about 20% bodyfat at that weight, but I actually didn’t look so bad; I just appeared smooth and bulky. Not to brag like this is some accomplishment, but most men, as I said, look like lops of shit when they are bulked up.

Clinically speaking - that is, in terms of health indicators - the ideal body weight (IBW) for a 5’10" man is 150 to 189#. This does NOT apply to MUSCULARLY overweight or obese men. But this is why I say it’s “OK” to be 160# for many men who have no aspirations of looking like or competing as a bodybuilder.

By the way, as you can see, I didn’t start this thread in the bodybuilding forum. I don’t post much in the bodybuilding forum because my fitness and life goals drastically changed in the past 6 months.

BUT, I’m still TOLERANT of those that want to be big and successful bodybuilders AND those who simply want to have a nice fitness and healthy lifestyle and look like an athlete.

I still LIKE bodybuilding; I’ve followed it for the past 13 years and credit the bodybuilding world for ALWAYS being at the forefront of life science, health, and nutrition!

But, NONE of us here, on a fitness forum, have to scurry away because some “HUGE”, INTOLERANT people hint or blatantly tell us to do so. This goes for real life as well. Since when do I have to watch my words and behavior, while being well-mannered and decent, because someone in my vicinity happens to be “huge”?

I like being muscular currently and actually enjoyed being bigger at one time. I liked it FOR ME. And yeah, some women (some love it) liked me like that or some other dudes thought it was cool, but it was my own thing I liked. But the fact is that nearly all the world doesn’t GIVE… A… FUCK… about how big some dude is. I don’t either, which is why I stay posting on here on other fitness-oriented topics.

Anyway, I don’t think anyone on here, even the more general-fitness-oriented guys, WANT to be 160#; if they are 160#, I’m sure they want and are trying to gain more muscle, but just haven’t been successful in doing so or are still beginners.

By the way, I know quite a few guys that weigh a buck-seventy or -eighty that have OK lives; they get laid, maybe have a girlfriend or wife and a kid, and earn a decent living. That’s why I think it’s “OK” to be 160# in many cases. :slight_smile:

[quote]BRUCELEEWANNABE wrote:
Chris is great! Do you have to agree with everything he says? No, of course not.

This thread is pointless & the OP has no life.[/quote]

Bruce, you’re a genius.

By the way, when did you get a chance to analyze my life?

And if my writings were so pointless, why do I get private emails sent to me on a weekly basis saying how much some people like what I write?

By the way, look at your fucking name! It has the word wannabe in it!

Yep. I rotate the following:
Pre-sliced ham
Pre-sliced roast beef
Pre-sliced turkey
Pre-sliced sharp cheddar
Pre-sliced pepper jack cheese.

Eat a different type of meat and cheese each day.

I can eat the same things over and over again.

[quote]BRUCELEEWANNABE wrote:
Chris is great! Do you have to agree with everything he says? No, of course not.

This thread is pointless & the OP has no life.[/quote]

Right, because a pointless thread is an oxymoron? lol.