Nate Miyaki has also said many times he is the guy to come to for advice on getting lean, but he’s not the ‘get huge’ guy. He says he’s not huge (by most BB’er standards at least) so he’s not the authority to go to on that, which I respect him for saying. So take that into consideration when discussing the ‘results’ he gets with clients and such.
Many things “didn’t work” for me last year…
related to the gym biggest lesson learned was not
to lift heavy while restricting calories
[quote]thefreshmanverve wrote:
Many things “didn’t work” for me last year…
related to the gym biggest lesson learned was not
to lift heavy while restricting calories
[/quote]
So what do you suggest, lifting the pinky dumbell maybe?
[quote]GTFOmyPowerRack wrote:
So what do you suggest, lifting the pinky dumbell maybe?[/quote]
http://www.viddy.com/video/610425df-d9f6-409d-a9f7-2cb1f778a7e9
Not training biceps and expecting to have my arms grow. I bought into the “strength training” Kool-Aid and never trained biceps. I mean, chins and squats were enough stimulation, right? After a while all I had done was purposely created a weak point on my body and my biceps hadn’t grown.
I still train mostly for strength but wouldn’t you know it, I do a few bicep exercises a week and the damn things started to grow. Crazy, right?
[quote]giograves wrote:
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
On the other hand, the “gurus” like that Miyaki fellow who advocate low carb, “warrior” diets, etc produce no impressive clients and have no such track record. [/quote]
For the record, Miyaki only really advocates low-carb for sedentary individuals. Anaerobic strength/BBers have “earned” their carbs for growth and recovery. And to tactically fight elevated cortisol levels.
Yes, he takes a “paleo” approach to carbs and advises pure glucose polymer sources (like potatoes) and avoid the fructose carbs sources outside of fruits.[/quote]
Which is an approach I actually agree with very much! Lol. On both ends. Earn your carbs, if you sit around and don’t then the easiest thing to do and most effective is to not eat dietary carb sources much. Tactical carbs make a lot of sense, scientifically and otherwise supported as I pointed out above.
[quote]ElevenMag wrote:
Guys, the point I was trying to make is that protein and fat are way more important to looking good and being healthy. Especially the types you get and most importantly the ratios of omega 3, 6, and 9 fats consumed. I’m not demonizing carbs here. I’m saying almost everyone abuses them. Experiment to see just how much you need. The problem is hardly anyone does.
You probably don’t need as much as you think and your body is built to operate this way. And don’t just do it for a week and then throw it out. If you addicted to sugar (you probably are) this is a death sentence and you will throw out the diea without even giving it a shot. Give it a few months and you’ll be amazed at the same performance with little carbs. You have a lifetime of lifting to experiment
When I run an actual keto diet, while doing physical labor, i only need carbs every 3-4 days and my gym preformance never suffers until I hit that wall
For the record, for a base diet I advocate high organ, meat, poultry; moderate eggs, raw milk, nuts, vegetables; low fruit and junk. Along with supplementing seed oils to balance omega 3, 6, 9 ratios, and sea salt for minerals
I run a diet to get the results I’m after, and in my experimentation I’ve found that carbs aren’t as necessary as most make them out to be.[/quote]
You know, if you had just said THIS in your first post we would never have had any problems. That’s fine man, if it works for you then fantastic. Unfortunately you tried to tell people bad facts and blanket statements. That I can’t handle, as a guy who spent most of his life in the lab, in the textbooks, and in the research, and has the advanced letters after his name to prove it.
For the record, I have personally tried the very low carb diet thing about 7-8 times, and a keto thing about 4. For more than a couple weeks each time. The results? Weakness, depression, crappy workouts, no endurance, no focus on school or conceptual patterns, and low libido. Yeah, fuck that.
So I completely accept your “in my experimentation I’ve found that carbs aren’t as necessary” and “most people overeat them” statements. But please do not make those first blanket statements again or tell me that my science is wrong or that carbs will kill me. Fair?
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
Nate Miyaki has also said many times he is the guy to come to for advice on getting lean, but he’s not the ‘get huge’ guy. He says he’s not huge (by most BB’er standards at least) so he’s not the authority to go to on that, which I respect him for saying. So take that into consideration when discussing the ‘results’ he gets with clients and such. [/quote]
Totally agree. I respect a man who tells me what his target and expertise is and doesn’t try to be an expert on things he doesn’t typically go for. I respect that a lot. In fact, one of the most respectable guys I’ve ever known and talked with is Greg Justice. he’s a trainer that is about as far away from our community as friggin possible. But he knows his niche, his business, and he’ll tell you “this is what I do, what I decided to do, and who I decided to go for and this is why” and within those spheres he is a bloody genius. He took time out to meet me and talk for about 90 minutes straight on business and planning and everything associated with it. I have absolute mad respect for him, I could care less that he trains old farts and rich folk instead of athletes.
[quote]Sancho2812 wrote:
Not training biceps and expecting to have my arms grow. I bought into the “strength training” Kool-Aid and never trained biceps. I mean, chins and squats were enough stimulation, right? After a while all I had done was purposely created a weak point on my body and my biceps hadn’t grown.
I still train mostly for strength but wouldn’t you know it, I do a few bicep exercises a week and the damn things started to grow. Crazy, right?[/quote]
Kind of related is following the idea that you don’t need to train biceps for PL. All that did is lead to elbow and shoulder issues.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]Sancho2812 wrote:
Not training biceps and expecting to have my arms grow. I bought into the “strength training” Kool-Aid and never trained biceps. I mean, chins and squats were enough stimulation, right? After a while all I had done was purposely created a weak point on my body and my biceps hadn’t grown.
I still train mostly for strength but wouldn’t you know it, I do a few bicep exercises a week and the damn things started to grow. Crazy, right?[/quote]
Kind of related is following the idea that you don’t need to train biceps for PL. All that did is lead to elbow and shoulder issues. [/quote]
Yeah, I kind of agree. I hate training biceps soooo much though, so I only do bicep work if I feel some inflammation or something coming on usually. I just feel like there is more useful and effective stuff I could do (but then I am less BB focused)
Why not just keep some light dbs at home and do some curls for high reps? I can’t speak for everyone, but doing some high rep curls every now and then takes almost nothing out of recovery once I’m used to doing them regularly.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
Why not just keep some light dbs at home and do some curls for high reps? I can’t speak for everyone, but doing some high rep curls every now and then takes almost nothing out of recovery once I’m used to doing them regularly. [/quote]
Mostly because I really don’t care that much lol. Every once in a while I’ll go through a phase where I want to train arms a bunch to bring them up…but mostly I really don’t care at all. My tri’s get plenty of work with all the pressing I do.
Also, i already have all the EFS bands, so I don’t need dumbbells 
If I do get elbow pain, I just do a bunch of band curls or db curls along between sets for a few days, then drop them. Mostly works unless the problem is nerve impingement, then it’s PNF stretching and lax ball rolling.
30 grams of protein (max) per meal
Big Beyond Belief (got in great “shape”, though. Lean as hell. But smaller) I could just as easily blame way too much ephedrine for that one, though.
Following any set program to the “T”.
Not actually finding someone who was a lot bigger than me and becoming his training partner a lot sooner (at least 15 years worth of reading compressed into 18 months worth of “aha!” into that one).
Squats & Deads multiple times a week. Got really good at each with nice strength progress, but little or no muscle growth. Plus doing this put some serious mileage on my lower back, hips and knees…still can’t squat without pain today (maybe I am just plain old). The high frequency seemed to work with push presses and shoulders though!
Tons of carbs peri-workout. Could lift for days but got a gut in the process. Cut them in half and I am good now.
[quote]GTFOmyPowerRack wrote:
[quote]thefreshmanverve wrote:
Many things “didn’t work” for me last year…
related to the gym biggest lesson learned was not
to lift heavy while restricting calories
[/quote]
So what do you suggest, lifting the pinky dumbell maybe?[/quote]
When I start restricting calories in mid to late February I plan on
doing it different by decreasing volume, decreasing frequency, decreasing intensity>>>>
while doing everything else I learned last time nutrition related.
I don’t suggest anything see what works for you. I would blindly assume however based on
your screenname that you’re too hardcore to ever consider decreasing intensity or ever attempted to restrict calories.