There are a couple of narrators that I really love. I’ll listen to a shitty book if it has narrators that I like. Lol
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I would listen to Morgan Freeman reading the phone book.
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Oh yes. And Benedict Cumberbatch.
I definitely have my favorites. I would love to find one right now. I am 3 hrs into this one and something better happen soon. 
I have already shit canned 3 books this week because I really didn’t care if the characters lived or died…lol
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I’ve been on a romantic comedy kick for a while now. Maybe I need to move to some murder mysteries? I used to love Dean Koontz. But mostly they just creep me out now and make it hard for me to sleep. 
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I used to listen to Koontz quite a bit. I loved Dragon Tears and Watchers. Then he and King started to make word salad. I will occasionally still grab a Koontz or King. Maybe I need to go look because I am not feeling this one.
@QuadQueen is the psychological Thriller guru.
I liked A Rip Through Time. Not a hard core mystery but more than a cozy.
If you want your skin to crawl The Highway by CJ Box
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The Door to December was the first Koontz I ever read. It remains my favorite to this day.
Never got into King. Too much backstory.
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I seem to recall liking a book called “A Painted House” maybe John Grisham? I can’t remember much about it, but I remember liking it.
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If its the octopus you’re after, then “Children of Ruin” by Adrian Tchaikovsky is very thought-provoking - but I’m not sure if you like sci-fi?
There’s also a brilliant book called “The Octopus and other minds” by Peter Godfrey-Smith which absolutely blew my mind. Its quite academic and pretty heavy going, but fascinating. His thesis is that intelligent life has evolved twice on Earth, with the octopus and other cephalopods representing an entirely different intelligence.
The Tchaikovsky book actually makes more sense if you read the scientific theory first!
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Two books I’ve really enjoyed recently:
Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow (Garbielle Zevin)
All The Colours of the Dark (Chris Whitaker)
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Hey I just started this last night!
What exact theory is this?
Oh God, I’m way out of my depth here, but I’ll try:
The starting premise is that the our last common ancestor with cephalopods is prior to the evolution of intelligence. I think its even pre sea sponges and jellies. So humans have a common ancestor with every form of intelligent life other than cephalopods. This means that in theory we can sort of figure out how something like a dog approaches reasoning, and we can somewhat understand and predict their behaviours. Same goes for birds, insects etc.
But the octopus is basically an alien to us - its brain is dispersed throughout its body rather than in one CPU.
Without spoilers, you’ll come to this in Children of Ruin where an octopus fleet follows a completely different decision-making process to a human fleet.
Tchaikovsky loves riffing on this, if you read the earlier “Children Of” books he does it with spiders too.
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This sounds like something I could get into.
I wasn’t particularly after the octopus but read it because it kept getting recommended so much as an uplifting, humorous book.
Yes, there are parts where Marcellus is somewhat funny but the storyline … not so much.
I looked up the books you suggested and only found the Other Minds book. I will check it out.
I like sci-fi. The only genre won’t listen to is spicy/ smutty romance bullshit. Yeah, yeah, yeah his big muscled chest is awesome:yawning_face: yeah, yeah, yeah, he done things noone ever had before:sleeping_face: yeah, yeah, he has a big D 
… get on with the story.
One of my 90yo recommended a book once and said it was the best book she had read all year. If they would have said his big, hard muscles one more time I was going to puke!
I don’t mine people falling in love through the story but I don’t want it to be the main plot.
All the colors of the Dark is on my holds list.
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Oh buddy. You might not want suggestions from me! 
Edit: I do need a change of genre. Been on romcom for way too long.
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Actually, the Mistborn series is pretty good. No smut or talk of huge… muscles…
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That’s why they make all kinds, so we can all be happy. My Aunt positively loved them! Just not my thang. Now, I do like a good kitty cat cozy mystery so… 
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I’ll check it out! Thanks.
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This is really cool! I’ll have to do some googling to see if I can find anymore on it
Ah so that’s generally where that came from lol
The question of non human mind’s ways to process reality and the sense of otherness seems to be really what centers many of the Adrians books. And he does it really well.
One book which approaches the same themes with quite, er, unique way is Peter Watt’s Blindsight. Not going to spoil anything else about it.
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