Westside Makes You Sexy

[quote]giterdone wrote:
In case you weren’t aware, Andy Bolton has a thread over in Powerlifting. I get his free newsletter which is well worth the read.

This quote re: DL is interesting, “I dont train too close to max off season i will go to 900/950 from low boards and 800 max floor,i will change around as i feel is needed and i never test my max thats for competition day”.

Reinforces that sub-maximal for reps gets you stronger. [/quote]

Thats pretty much what Wnedler says but then what do non-cpetitive lifters do, never test their maxes?

[quote]JoeGood wrote:

[quote]giterdone wrote:
In case you weren’t aware, Andy Bolton has a thread over in Powerlifting. I get his free newsletter which is well worth the read.

This quote re: DL is interesting, “I dont train too close to max off season i will go to 900/950 from low boards and 800 max floor,i will change around as i feel is needed and i never test my max thats for competition day”.

Reinforces that sub-maximal for reps gets you stronger. [/quote]

Thats pretty much what Wnedler says but then what do non-cpetitive lifters do, never test their maxes?[/quote]

I guess you could make the argument that if you don’t compete then does it even matter if you know what your 1 RM is? Or, more likely, set “competition” dates with yourself so you do a true 1RM every 12-16 weeks.

When Bolton was cycling up for his 1003lb pull, the most he pulled in training was 750lb x 3.

I like testing 1RM but it doesn’t help me progress…at all. I constantly have to resist the urge.

those are some big RDLs and nice push presses too.
I like the sled.

I think if your not competing you do need to test once in a while

I did a 16 week program from Eric Cressey and then had a little mini meet of my own
to get some maxes it was fun.

with out doing a true all out eyes fall out of head max- Its good to get some baseline number.
and work programming percentages there.

the whole sub maximal stuff- I imagine works better if you already have a good amount of strength
in the beginning you need to pull, press, and squat at a higher percentage

[quote]giterdone wrote:

[quote]JoeGood wrote:

[quote]giterdone wrote:
In case you weren’t aware, Andy Bolton has a thread over in Powerlifting. I get his free newsletter which is well worth the read.

This quote re: DL is interesting, “I dont train too close to max off season i will go to 900/950 from low boards and 800 max floor,i will change around as i feel is needed and i never test my max thats for competition day”.

Reinforces that sub-maximal for reps gets you stronger. [/quote]

Thats pretty much what Wnedler says but then what do non-cpetitive lifters do, never test their maxes?[/quote]

I guess you could make the argument that if you don’t compete then does it even matter if you know what your 1 RM is? Or, more likely, set “competition” dates with yourself so you do a true 1RM every 12-16 weeks.

When Bolton was cycling up for his 1003lb pull, the most he pulled in training was 750lb x 3.

I like testing 1RM but it doesn’t help me progress…at all. I constantly have to resist the urge.
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While I’m not suggesting he’s lying how the hell do you get strong enough to pull 1003 by pulling 750 for triples? I guess if you did a shit ton of them…

[quote]kmcnyc wrote:
those are some big RDLs and nice push presses too.
I like the sled.

I think if your not competing you do need to test once in a while

I did a 16 week program from Eric Cressey and then had a little mini meet of my own
to get some maxes it was fun.

with out doing a true all out eyes fall out of head max- Its good to get some baseline number.
and work programming percentages there.

the whole sub maximal stuff- I imagine works better if you already have a good amount of strength
in the beginning you need to pull, press, and squat at a higher percentage[/quote]

Okay I can see this, at some point if you’re lucky you get to numbers you just can’t pull all the time or you’ll be beaten up 24/7.

This is what I love about the of 35 club good, mature conversation. To build on what Joe said, did he mention how many sets of 3?

I went and read the thread in the powerlifting forum and now I’m thinking about getting the ebook.

This is what he did in the 8 weeks prior to pulling 1003. 1003lbs is 455kg. Also, keep in mind that he trains squats on the same day as deads so he is getting a lot of lower body work on this day. Also keep in mind he is a freak.

This may look like a jumbled mess when I post it. We’ll see. I copied this from a site but it what he has published before on his routine.

"Week 1. 70 x 5, 100 x 5, 140 x 5, 180 x 5, 200 x 5, 220 x 5, 180x3x3. No suit.

Week 2. 70 x 5, 120 x 5, 160 x 5, 200 x 5, 240 x 5, 190 x 3 x3. No suit.

Week 3. 70 x 5, 100,x 5, 140 x 5, 180 x 5, 220 x 5, 260 x 5, 200 x 3 x3. No suit.

Week 4. 70 x 5, 120 x 5, 160 x 5, 200 x 5, 240 x 3, 280 x 3, 210 x 3 x3. No suit.

Week 5. 70 x 5, 100 x 5, 140 x 5, 180 x 5, 220 x 5, 260 x 3, 300 x 3, 220 x 3 x 3. No suit.

Week 6. 70 x 5, 100 x 5, 140 x 5, 180 x 5, 220 x 3, 260 x 3, 290 x 3, 320 x 3. Suit down.

Week 7. 70 x 3, 120 x 3, 160 x 3, 200 x 3, 240 x 3, 270 x 3, 300 x 3, 340 x 3. Suit on, straps up.

Week 8. Competition. Bear in mind, Andy pulls on a Wednesday, but usually competes on a Saturday or Sunday. Thus, this equates to 10-11 days rest.

In his build up to this meet, he would follow up his squat/deadlift training with heavy leg presses (600kg x 10’s) and leg curls.

His Friday upper back workout this time round comprised of the following:

Hammer Strength single arm rows, 5 sets, working up to 200kg each arm x 10. Low cable rows, 4-5 sets, 300lb x 10. Pulldowns, 4-5 sets of 10, 140kg (weight stack). Shrugs, 5-6 sets of 10, done very strict up to 380kg. Finally, ab work, including very heavy side bends, crunches and leg raises would be done."

Joe, I have the ebook. There is no programming information in it. Just technique stuff. It’s good but it may not be what you are lookig for.

Hi Git! Just found your log. First a big wolf whistle at you. Looking strong!

And I’m envying your home workout shed, and that’s a beautiful place to be pulling a sled around. Nova Scotia in the summer looks gorgeous. Nice about your kids training with their pop. My youngest (8, girl) loves to train with me, too. I can’t wait till she’s old enough to really workout with me.

Enjoy the weekend!

Hey PP! Thanks for dropping in. If anyone should be whistling, it should be me. Looking good miss.

I`m not sure why but my girl (also 8) has recently become really enthusiastic about training. I got home from work yesterday and noticed the tire sled was out and she had put some weight on it.

Its nice to hang out with her in the shed and lift and listen to music. Im a bit of an emotional lifter though so she kinda messes with my get angry approach, lol.

I had a great trip to California a few years ago. San Francisco and then down the Pacific Coast highway to Carmel, Monterey and so on. Beautiful. I`d like to go North into wine country next time.

Thanks Git. And oh, I bet our girls would be a good match. Mine’s a little blond as well, and super active/ athletic. Read a little bit ADHD here. She’s been playing soccer, but just started gymnastics. Hopefully it will help build some mind muscle connection and coordination. Wish I had a gymnastics background.

The California coast is gorgeous, but I don’t think we have anything on you. Nova Scotia just looks pristine. Beautiful. I’m in the southern part of the state, about an hour south of LA, and about 3 miles from the coast.

juts catching up and I agree with repping your submax approach. For the longest time I was deadlifting singles to my max and whining about my lack of progress. I started seeing results again when adding triples and doubles to my 90-95% efforts.

I hope the shed isn’t warming up too much in the summer heat…

[quote]nlmain wrote:
juts catching up and I agree with repping your submax approach. For the longest time I was deadlifting singles to my max and whining about my lack of progress. I started seeing results again when adding triples and doubles to my 90-95% efforts.

I hope the shed isn’t warming up too much in the summer heat… [/quote]

Nlmain no we do hope that shed gets really hot…

SO cute on the little girl, enjoy this time before you know it they are driving and dating and wont be around as much :frowning:

[quote]UpScale wrote:

[quote]nlmain wrote:
juts catching up and I agree with repping your submax approach. For the longest time I was deadlifting singles to my max and whining about my lack of progress. I started seeing results again when adding triples and doubles to my 90-95% efforts.

I hope the shed isn’t warming up too much in the summer heat… [/quote]

Nlmain no we do hope that shed gets really hot…

SO cute on the little girl, enjoy this time before you know it they are driving and dating and wont be around as much :frowning:
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No risk of overheating today. 10C (50F), drizzle and windy. Perfect weather to watch two soccer games…ugh. Warmer tomorrow.
I’m drinking coffee trying to get my head and my body into doing deads.

[quote]UpScale wrote:

[quote]nlmain wrote:
juts catching up and I agree with repping your submax approach. For the longest time I was deadlifting singles to my max and whining about my lack of progress. I started seeing results again when adding triples and doubles to my 90-95% efforts.

I hope the shed isn’t warming up too much in the summer heat… [/quote]

Nlmain no we do hope that shed gets really hot…

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hmmm viewed that way I can totally admit I was wrong…lol

Well, I have to disagree. At least for my own training. Training submaximally for reps is fine as long as I add in heavy singles. My CNS just will not squat/bench/DL if the numbers are not in the ballpark of what I’ve been using during training.

For example, experience has shown me that increasing how many reps I can get at a certain weight does not necessarily translate into an increase in my 1 RM. And crazy as it sounds, increasing the weight I can rep (going from 150 to 175, say, for five reps) will not necessarily mean that my 1 RM has increased.

I must be weird or something.

But that’s the beauty of gaining experience. You learn what type of programming will work with your body type and personality.

Deads 5/3/1 day

w/u with leg curls

135 x 5
185 x 5
225 x 3
275 x 1

330 x 5
375 x 3
420 x 3 (vid)…happy with how these went. felt better than with 405 last week.

405 x 3 (vid)

leg curl alternated with wide grip pullups
Leg curl (ramped)
4 x 12

Pullups
4 x 5

Both kids were in the shed. A bit distracting but they are starting to understand when to talk and when to be quiet. Son ran the camera which he enjoyed.

quote]kpsnap wrote:
Well, I have to disagree. At least for my own training. Training submaximally for reps is fine as long as I add in heavy singles. My CNS just will not squat/bench/DL if the numbers are not in the ballpark of what I’ve been using during training.

For example, experience has shown me that increasing how many reps I can get at a certain weight does not necessarily translate into an increase in my 1 RM. And crazy as it sounds, increasing the weight I can rep (going from 150 to 175, say, for five reps) will not necessarily mean that my 1 RM has increased.

I must be weird or something.

But that’s the beauty of gaining experience. You learn what type of programming will work with your body type and personality.[/quote]

5 rep max does seem too big a differential from a 1RM. I like singles too. But I haven’t found that doing them at a true 1RM helps me. If my dead is at 475 (I wish) I think I would be better off doing a couple of singles at 450 (95%) and being as explosive as possible, than I would be if went for a grinding 480.

[quote]giterdone wrote:
quote]kpsnap wrote:
Well, I have to disagree. At least for my own training. Training submaximally for reps is fine as long as I add in heavy singles. My CNS just will not squat/bench/DL if the numbers are not in the ballpark of what I’ve been using during training.

For example, experience has shown me that increasing how many reps I can get at a certain weight does not necessarily translate into an increase in my 1 RM. And crazy as it sounds, increasing the weight I can rep (going from 150 to 175, say, for five reps) will not necessarily mean that my 1 RM has increased.

I must be weird or something.

But that’s the beauty of gaining experience. You learn what type of programming will work with your body type and personality.[/quote]

5 rep max does seem too big a differential from a 1RM. I like singles too. But I haven’t found that doing them at a true 1RM helps me. If my dead is at 475 (I wish) I think I would be better off doing a couple of singles at 450 (95%) and being as explosive as possible, than I would be if went for a grinding 480.

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Rep talk interesting to see you discuss, and more so that no increase in weight happens with less weight higher reps. i guess this whole thing IS what works for one doesnt work for another. Now that Im paying attention will be good to see what works for me, so far the rep thing is but its early lol

Im thinking kids are really missing daddy. Enjoy this window of time with them.

Also how you DL and you straighten your legs before the pull, i do that before my Tbar rows.

Nice pulls buddy. 420 looks pretty easy. You’re on your way to getting that 500 soon.