[quote]pushharder wrote:
And I will smack you upside your “government is a good thing” lil noggin when you gush too much about about how fabulous it is without the aforementioned caveats about how dangerous it can be.[/quote]
You mean like how in basically every post I note that government has to be limited and can be bad?
Oh, and you aren’t smacking anything. Anyone reading has figured out you need water wings in the deep end here.
Oh yeah? Where? I don’t necessarily disagree, but point me to it. Also, why were these laws only passed in the beginning of the 20th century? Why didn’t the first Congress pass them or something like them?
Might? Look, here is where the rubber meets the road. Waxing broadly about the overreach of the federal government is one thing, but actually deciding what is within the federal purview and what is not takes some work. So, yes or no?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
You keep telling yourself that. If you say it enough times even you will eventually believe it.[/quote]
Heh. I do believe it. “T-bolt wants the fed’rul gummint to fix err-thang!”. Made up.
[quote]Maybe. But I’m also confident enough to make the assertion I did and feel very comfortable in doing so.
Someday, if you ever reach the point where you want to share that bourbon and compare travels maybe we’ll litigate it to an accurate conclusion.[/quote]
Not maybe. But when we gather and discuss, bring a map - you’ll need it.
Never been to the space needle, and no real desire to go. As for the Pacific Northwest, the separatists morons aren’t the “Pacific Northwest” - that’s just where a bunch of them have decided to hole up.
Well, uh, no, not a straw man - the statement I made about them was my opinion. A straw man is when I assign a position to someone they don’t actually have and then argue against it.
[quote]JayPierce wrote:
State nullification is legitimate as a response to the federal government defrauding people’s rights, and federal veto is a legitimate response to a state defrauding rights. That’s why you can find examples of each in his writings.[/quote]
Incorrect - because if “nullification” exists as a legitimate exercise, and the “federal veto” exists as a legitimate exercise, then states would simply “nulllify” the “federal veto” of their laws, making the “federal veto” a nullity.
Meaning, you can’t have one with the other. Why in the world would you provide a mechanism for a “federal veto” of state law if a state can simply “nullify” the federal decision?
Libertarian (il)logic at its finest.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
But all along you have implicitly lumped me, Joe Very Limited Govt Guy, as a PacNW Bozo Separatist. When you do that YOU are creating a straw man. [/quote]
No, I don’t think you’re one of them, you’ve never indicated you are. You definitely share some of the sympathies and fantasies, but I don’t think you’re one of them.
No, there is a bunch of them here and there in the Pacific Northwest. That isn’t the only place where you find them, but the fact that they are there isn’t terribly novel or controversial.
And though I hunt/fish/camp in the Pacific Northwest (primarily Idaho), I don’t spend any time with separatist bozos or the Aryan Nation or similar. Heh, that isn’t exactly a “smudge” on my travel experience.
Frankly, that is just stupid. I don’t want to go to the space needle ergo I “overreached” in suggesting my travel experience? Give me a break.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Hey, I live a few miles from the north Idaho border; your hunting and fishing expeditions every now and then don’t compare to my experience of actually living here. [/quote]
Who said they did? “Knowledge of the world and your American countrymen” doesn’t come from specializing in the Pacific Northwest. Give it a rest.
Ok, so some are still there - that is my point. So are other anti-government types who may not be affiliated with the Aryans. Others live elsewhere.
Do you have a point, other than to agree with me?
[quote]pushharder wrote:
Interesting. Which sympathies and fantasies do I share? Please elaborate.[/quote]
You recommended (and keep recommending) the hokum that is Unintended Consequences, a book based on the revenge fantasy against ATFers, etc. and done in “response” to the federal government in situations like Bonus Army march, Ruby Ridge, Waco actions, etc.
Same ideas you cast your lot in.