[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
[quote]Alpha F wrote:
The government is imposing obligations on others who don’t share their values in the name of Freedom/Equality for all as an end. [/quote]
Ok, so - the government isn’t permitting moral relativism in the name of liberty? Agreed. Said that.[/quote]
Agreed. The government is not operating from the basis of moral relativism they are operating on a amoral basis self-validated by the laws they write:
By not having an external moral standard they take upon themselves to decide what is legal and illegal.
That to me is the very same as doing away with right and wrong by substituting legality for morality.
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[quote]Institutions are a means to an end.
Government is an institution.
Freedom/Liberty relative to the other person is an end that is Good.[/quote]
Ok, so - libertarians view liberty as an End that is Good in and of itself, and if government gets in the way of that, government is bad and we need to get rid of the obstacle. Agreed. Said that.
Thanks.[/quote]
You make an authoritative claim that government is intrinsically “Good”.
So according to you, government is a Good in and of itself.
You say libertarians think liberty is a Good in and of itself.
Why are you placing your values as better than their value?