[quote]scj119 wrote:
High protein intake leads directly to high Creatinine. Having high creatinine (and creatinine:BUN ratio) while eating high protein does not mean you have a kidney problem.
High protein can make an existing kidney problem worse (that is my understanding) but it does not make healthy kidneys become unhealthy[/quote]
i second this!
[quote]ironcross wrote:
[quote]corstijeir wrote:
I was diagnosed with leukemia before I even went to my official doctor for diagnosis, she had me admitted to the hospital, then the hospital asked me if I took any protein powder because “it can lead to increased white blood count”.
I wanted to check myself the fuck out right then, but I needed their testing for insurance confirmation. Ignorant. You don’t have a WBC of 250,000 because of protein powder…[/quote]
Whoa whoa wait. It can increase white blood cell count? I just started a thread to the effect that I get sick less when I’m drinking a lot of whey and the one response said there was either something wrong with me or I was crazy. Why wouldn’t increased white blood cell count be a good thing? Wouldn’t that boost the immune system?[/quote]
Increased white blood count is usually the sign of infection - or depending on how high some type of leukemia/cancer, so an elevated WBC is good when you’ve got a cold, means your immune system is working properly. When you have excessive WBC they start to attack other blood cells causing a decrease in them, which is bad.
[quote]SuperFast wrote:
[quote]ironcross wrote:
[quote]corstijeir wrote:
I was diagnosed with leukemia before I even went to my official doctor for diagnosis, she had me admitted to the hospital, then the hospital asked me if I took any protein powder because “it can lead to increased white blood count”.
I wanted to check myself the fuck out right then, but I needed their testing for insurance confirmation. Ignorant. You don’t have a WBC of 250,000 because of protein powder…[/quote]
Whoa whoa wait. It can increase white blood cell count? I just started a thread to the effect that I get sick less when I’m drinking a lot of whey and the one response said there was either something wrong with me or I was crazy. Why wouldn’t increased white blood cell count be a good thing? Wouldn’t that boost the immune system?[/quote]
1.) I think his comment was to the effect that doctors are woefully unprepared to help the small percentage of the population who weight-train consistently.
2.) Yes, whey protein does absolutely boost the immune system, a fact which has been well-established for many years now.
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Yeah - most physicians nurses just assume you’re messed up because of teh proteins or that creatine, it makes you rage you know!?
Most physicians would simple write off what ever you went in for due to supplements, protein powder, etc.
Thats why being informed and you running the show is better than taking their blind word for it.
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Superfast- I can’t tell if your number 2 is sarcastic or not. Where’d you find information about that?[/quote]
What BBB said. Also, http://www.wellnessresources.com/health/articles/whey_protein_directly_boosts_immunity/
which I found in a few seconds of searching. Not trying to be a jerk, the interwebz are your friend. Been reading that whey boosts immunity for years now, didn’t keep documentation.
To the OP: you say you are 17 yrs old and 180 lbs., and consuming 225-250 grams of protein per day. I don’t see how your body can make use of any more than 200 grams per day, if you are natural (which you should be). Even 180 might be good enough, (or even less, esp. if also using BCAA and creatine mono).
Consider that conventional medicine and bodybuilding bro-science may be the two extremes of a continuum.
[quote]SuperFast wrote:
[quote]ironcross wrote:
Superfast- I can’t tell if your number 2 is sarcastic or not. Where’d you find information about that?[/quote]
What BBB said. Also, http://www.wellnessresources.com/health/articles/whey_protein_directly_boosts_immunity/
which I found in a few seconds of searching. Not trying to be a jerk, the interwebz are your friend. Been reading that whey boosts immunity for years now, didn’t keep documentation.[/quote]
I’ll admit I’m lazy sometimes and like having others do my work for me. Thanks 
I love finding out that my hunches based on personal anecdote are correct.
[quote]SuperFast wrote:
To the OP: you say you are 17 yrs old and 180 lbs., and consuming 225-250 grams of protein per day. I don’t see how your body can make use of any more than 200 grams per day, if you are natural (which you should be). Even 180 might be good enough, (or even less, esp. if also using BCAA and creatine mono).
Consider that conventional medicine and bodybuilding bro-science may be the two extremes of a continuum. [/quote]
REALLY?
Youre going with 200. Right on the nose at 200? What about 201g of protein?
Jesus christ.
Explain what you mean by ‘make use of’. Before I ridicule you further. Maybe youre just confused.
[quote]SuperFast wrote:
To the OP: you say you are 17 yrs old and 180 lbs., and consuming 225-250 grams of protein per day. I don’t see how your body can make use of any more than 200 grams per day, if you are natural (which you should be). Even 180 might be good enough, (or even less, esp. if also using BCAA and creatine mono).
Consider that conventional medicine and bodybuilding bro-science may be the two extremes of a continuum. [/quote]
I… don’t agree.
Most physicians would simple write off what ever you went in for due to supplements, protein powder, etc.
Thats why being informed and you running the show is better than taking their blind word for it.[/quote]
You do realize that if someone really does have something wrong with their kidneys and thinks that it’s best for them to be “running the show” instead of listening to their physician that it could be very detrimental, right? The kidney is overwhelmingly complex and the majority of the nephrologists with whom Ive worked are brilliant and understand it well. You have to be well-informed to pass their Boards.
It really amazes me how much blind cynicism is directed toward MDs on this site. I’m inclined to think that most of this is probably due to a bad experience with a family practice doc (who typically aim to know a modest amount concerning many different topics). The very nature of that job is difficult and one of the most important parts of it is knowing when to “punt” things to a specialist.
But more to the point, is every single mechanic youve ever been to perfect? Does every lawyer deserve your business? No. Having a few bad experiences with western medicine is no reason to feel that you can just write it off. These same doctors and these same methods have played a central role in a 30 year increase in life expectancy in the US during the last century. You would be hard pressed to find a single US citizen who has not, at the least, had their quality of life improved by a physician at some point. There are exceptions to any rule, but it seems obvious that it is simply en vogue for many here to act like the majority of physicians are negligent, stupid or misinformed. If you really believe that, you are kidding yourself.