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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
snipeout wrote:
Does it really matter who is in power in the middle east? Whoever it is will play the same game. They use the religion to control and opress the masses, they will still condone acts of terror to accomplish their goals. With this in mind don’t you think the western world is going to support the leaders that reign the leash in a little tighter?

It seems the reasonable people are intimidated/outnumbered by the crazies.

More and more it seems the only solution is to let them murder each other. They are very good at it.

My sentiments exactly when I hear about yet another shooting in the US.

You shouldn’t flaunt your stupidity.

On second thought, it becomes you. [/quote]

Now you see how stupid your comment was?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
lixy wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
When did they ever have a new country? Don’t call the gaza strip “their new country”. It was an open prison from day 1. With the Israeli blocking the borders, no access to the sea (fisherboats were being blown out of the water by the Israeli navy), with their airport shut down.

Ah! Gaza…I’m sure every American will be more than content to live under those conditions. It’s only those ungrateful greedy Palestinians that keep complaining about details such as arbitrary Mossad kidnappings, tanks blowing their homes and living in the most dense area on the planet.

They are scrambling to get into Israel. They must not be too afraid of the Mossad.

Face it, they did it to themselves.[/quote]

Once again I agree.

They did it to themselves. Just like the US did 9/11 to themselves. With no help from anybody else whatsoever.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
lixy wrote:
…Arafat renounced violence and where did it get him?

LOL!! Whatever.
[/quote]

Aren’t you the guy telling others to support their opinions with facts and stats?

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
John S. wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
John S. wrote:
I say carpet bomb.

You shouldn’t flaunt your stupidity.

On second thought, it becomes you.

Wow wreckless just wow. Why not go hide for a while and come back later when you have something to say.

Something smart you mean? Something smart like “I say carpet bomb”.

I just did.

Carpet bombing wins wars. ‘Nice’ wars, where you care more about the civilian population than the enemy does, just plain suck.

Imagine if we had treated the Nazis with kid gloves — Sprechen Sie Deutsch, Wreckless?

[/quote]

I remember when you were in love with invading Iraq to liberate the people and pread democracy in the ME.
Did you change your mind HH?

Also, name me one war that was won through carpet bombing?
Vietnam was won alright, but not by the ones doing the carpet bombing. But perhaps that’s the way recent history is taught in your neck of the woods.

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[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
But, come on, Arafat renounced violence and where did it get him? The Israeli ruling class has no interest in peace.

The whole Arafat situation still baffles me. The Israelis kept calling on him to stop the violence and car bombings Hamas was using against them. Arafat would reply that he had no control over them, then the Israelis would attack him and his government.

From what is going on there now, I came to the conclusion that Arafat was telling the truth, but didn’t want to go to war against Hamas and thus be seen as an Israeli agent.

Therefore, his govt. was the Israeli whipping boy.

They were also corrupt as hell which didn’t help matters.

Didn’t Arafat have $2 billion in Swiss banks, that his widow got? All while his people lived in misery? And he got a Peace Prize!!!

I say: Carpet Bombing.

[/quote]

I say: cough cough

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
What have we all learned? The Palestinians are incapable of governing themselves peacefully alongside Israel.
Far too many have been raised with the ideology of Islamic supremacy over the Jew.
They will always fight to destroy Israel, when not busy killing each other.

They’ve raised generations of children paraded around in mock suicide vests.
We’re talking about kids raised to believe Jews are descended from monkeys and pigs. Children taught that Jews steal children at night to drink their blood.

[/quote]

Think before you post man.

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Palestinian media teaches children to be suicide martyrs. Transcripts and videos provided.
http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part1.html

Hamas’ goals and views in their own words. Again, transcripts and videos provided.
http://www.pmw.org.il/tv-hamas.htm

All of Israel is Palestine.
http://www.pmw.org.il/tv%20part7.html

Holcaust denial.
http://www.pmw.org.il/
http://www.pmw.org.il/

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
…No one asked -on our side-which particular Israel Hamas was supposed to recognize…

  1. This is an exercise in futility. Take your pick. Is there ANY Israel that Hamas would recognize?

  2. Is the suggestion that Hamas is this Rock of Honor and Purity…immune from corruption and outside influence? Whose agenda is always in the best interest of the Palestinian People?

Please…

Mufasa

Exactly, Hamas has said time and again it will never recognize Israel. Ever. For them, it’s a religious/political stance. Because of the religious component, they can never give up on the destruction of Israel.[/quote]

I remember when Hamas agreed on a truce with Israel. I remember when there was a couple of months of relative peace, with no more suicide attacks and no more rockets fired on Israel.
Do you remember that?
Do you also remember how the Israeli took this window of opportunity to start negotiations? I don’t. Because that never happened.

Israel doesn’t negotiate with terrorist, and they simply ignore you when you’re not a terrorist. Seems to work for them.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
…

Nonsense. It’s simply a myth relayed by the American media. The fact of the matter is that Hamas showed good faith times and again.

That’s not to say they’re angels, but they’re absolutely not the ideological zealots you portray. A great deal of Hamas’ constituency are very pragmatic when it comes to Israel.

  1. Is the suggestion that Hamas is this Rock of Honor and Purity…immune from corruption and outside influence? Whose agenda is always in the best interest of the Palestinian People?

No genius. The suggestion is that they’re less corrupt than Fatah. Palestinians have been waiting for far too long. I can’t blame them for voting Hamas in.

[/quote]

Great post lixy. How many “brave and free” will have the balls to comment on the link?

My guess: it will go ignored?

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
C’mon, Lixy…

You are a “genius” too, and know that there can often be a HUGE difference between what Governments say publicly…and what they actually do (and yes…the U.S. included…)

That Hamas Charter is not only chilling…it says it all…

Mufasa[/quote]

Luckily we have people like you who see through all that and know what they say for propaganda purposes and what they really mean.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Sloth wrote:
What have we all learned? The Palestinians are incapable of governing themselves peacefully alongside Israel.
Far too many have been raised with the ideology of Islamic supremacy over the Jew.
They will always fight to destroy Israel, when not busy killing each other.

They’ve raised generations of children paraded around in mock suicide vests.
We’re talking about kids raised to believe Jews are descended from monkeys and pigs. Children taught that Jews steal children at night to drink their blood.

Think before you post man.[/quote]

Sorry man, but Palestinian media (and the children’s education) is well documented. I’ve posted links to videos and transcripts. Don’t ask me to ‘think’ while you yourself are obviously ignorant of what passes as media and education amongst Palestinians.

Now, let’s try to make YOU think for once. Deny a specific claim in my post which you’ve quoted. Let’s compare material for each of our arguments.

For example, are Palestinian children taught to be martyrs? Are Palestinian children taught that Israel, in any form, should not be allowed to exist? Do you deny the pigs, dogs and monkey claims about the “cursed” Jews? Do you deny the rampant Holocaust denial? Do you deny that Palestinian media runs films about age old anti-semitic myths (jews kidnapping christian children for their blood)?

What exactly have I missed? What exactly did I get wrong. Again, scour the links I’ve provided. This is Palestinian media. This is education for Palestinian children. Deny it, I’m waiting.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
lixy wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
…No one asked -on our side-which particular Israel Hamas was supposed to recognize…

  1. This is an exercise in futility. Take your pick. Is there ANY Israel that Hamas would recognize?

Nonsense. It’s simply a myth relayed by the American media. The fact of the matter is that Hamas showed good faith times and again.

That’s not to say they’re angels, but they’re absolutely not the ideological zealots you portray. A great deal of Hamas’ constituency are very pragmatic when it comes to Israel.

  1. Is the suggestion that Hamas is this Rock of Honor and Purity…immune from corruption and outside influence? Whose agenda is always in the best interest of the Palestinian People?

No genius. The suggestion is that they’re less corrupt than Fatah. Palestinians have been waiting for far too long. I can’t blame them for voting Hamas in.

You are so hopelessly indoctinated it makes no sense. You are no better that Arafat, you talk peace and defend violence. Giving Arafart a peace prize is like giving a child rapist a “Teacher of the Year” award.

All of us, whom you berate, are interested in peace, you are not, apparently. I say be a man and join the fight. At least have some balls like your bretheren whom actions you defend.[/quote]

I’ve told you before. Think before you post. Otherwise people will think you’re a stupid fuck.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
pat36 wrote:
…All of us, whom you berate, are interested in peace, you are not, apparently. I say be a man and join the fight. At least have some balls like your bretheren whom actions you defend.

Lixy believes he is fighting the good fight with his cyber jihad. I am glad that there are others that recognize him for what he is.[/quote]

In the mean time, Zap believes he’s fghting the good fight…

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You gotta love when people point out what Hamas has said, and then look no deeper. Look at the links to videos and transcripts. That is Hamas. Hamas’ core ideology, the central principle upon which their entire existence rests, is that Islam demands the destruction of Israel in it’s entirety, in the name of Allah.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:

Great post lixy. How many “brave and free” will have the balls to comment on the link?

My guess: it will go ignored?[/quote]

Of course it will go ignored: why would anyone take Hamas at its word that it wants to live with Israel with Hamas’ history of devotion to murder, imperialism, and its mission statement of wanting to push Israel into the sea?

Wait - I should clarify: why would anyone outside of lobotomized Europeans and mindless pawns take Hamas at its word?

Poor Wreckless - your plain attempts to show up to this board only to irritate Americans are getting thinner and thinner.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
You gotta love when people point out what Hamas has said, and then look no deeper. Look at the links to videos and transcripts. That is Hamas. Hamas’ core ideology, the central principle upon which their entire existence rests, is that Islam demands the destruction of Israel in it’s entirety, in the name of Allah.[/quote]

Yes, it has become tragically hilarious.

We aren’t supposed to believe a terrorist organization’s mission statement of ultimate destruction of Israel - apparently that is not really what they mean, despite the fact that Hamas’ conduct has been a mirror image of its murderous ideology.

Apparently Wreckless and Lixy - who between them couldn’t put a two-piece puzzle together - can “divine” via voodoo what Hamas actually believes.

And despite a history of treachery and murder, when Hamas says “we can work with Israel”, the moron twins buy it wholesale.

A testament to the European education system, no less. Sad to see.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Wreckless wrote:

Great post lixy. How many “brave and free” will have the balls to comment on the link?

My guess: it will go ignored?

Of course it will go ignored: why would anyone take Hamas at its word that it wants to live with Israel with Hamas’ history of devotion to murder, imperialism, and its mission statement of wanting to push Israel into the sea?

Wait - I should clarify: why would anyone outside of lobotomized Europeans and mindless pawns take Hamas at its word?

Poor Wreckless - your plain attempts to show up to this board only to irritate Americans are getting thinner and thinner.[/quote]

Did you click the link?
A simple yes or no please.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Sloth wrote:
You gotta love when people point out what Hamas has said, and then look no deeper. Look at the links to videos and transcripts. That is Hamas. Hamas’ core ideology, the central principle upon which their entire existence rests, is that Islam demands the destruction of Israel in it’s entirety, in the name of Allah.

Yes, it has become tragically hilarious.

We aren’t supposed to believe a terrorist organization’s mission statement of ultimate destruction of Israel - apparently that is not really what they mean, despite the fact that Hamas’ conduct has been a mirror image of its murderous ideology.

Apparently Wreckless and Lixy - who between them couldn’t put a two-piece puzzle together - can “divine” via voodoo what Hamas actually believes.

And despite a history of treachery and murder, when Hamas says “we can work with Israel”, the moron twins buy it wholesale.

A testament to the European education system, no less. Sad to see.[/quote]

Israel was founded through terrorism.

The US was founded through terrorism and genocide.

The only difference with them and the Palestinians is that they were more succesfull.

A history of treachery and murder? Are you sure you’re not talking about Israel?

I’m not divining what Hamas actually believes. I’ll leave that up to you.

I look at their actions. There were free elections. There were several months of relative peace.
Just because you didn’t like the outcome, doesn’t mean you can ignore the facts.

Did the West (US and Europe) and Israel take advantage of this opportunity? They were lamenting for years that, if only there was some sort of peace, that they would do this, and that, and the peace talks would be kick started.

And then they had what they wanted.
And they ignored it and scratched their balls.

Did you click lixy’s link?
A simple yes or no please.

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
lixy wrote:

Just because their position is intransigent on paper, doesn’t mean they are not interested in talks. They know very well that they don’t stand a chance in a military confrontation (even with the hypothetical help of ALL Arab states). Their charter is to distance themselves from the crooked Fatah.

What a painfully transparent and wickedly stupid attempt to put a shine on a terrorist organization’s motives to slaughter its enemies.

My God, Lixy - the mission statement is right there and you try and tell us it doesn’t mean what it says? That Hamas’ butchering intentions for the “apes and pigs” is merely to distinguish it from a rival “corrupt” group?

Couldn’t Hamas just distinguish itself by saying “we want a two part state and we aren’t corrupt like Fatah”?

What a fraud you are.[/quote]

He’s just following orders from his cell leader. Cut him some slack.

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[quote]Wreckless wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
But, come on, Arafat renounced violence and where did it get him? The Israeli ruling class has no interest in peace.

The whole Arafat situation still baffles me. The Israelis kept calling on him to stop the violence and car bombings Hamas was using against them. Arafat would reply that he had no control over them, then the Israelis would attack him and his government.

From what is going on there now, I came to the conclusion that Arafat was telling the truth, but didn’t want to go to war against Hamas and thus be seen as an Israeli agent.

Therefore, his govt. was the Israeli whipping boy.

They were also corrupt as hell which didn’t help matters.

Didn’t Arafat have $2 billion in Swiss banks, that his widow got? All while his people lived in misery? And he got a Peace Prize!!!

I say: Carpet Bombing.

I say: cough cough[/quote]

Wouldn’t you rather be saying: Seig Heil!!