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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
…No one asked -on our side-which particular Israel Hamas was supposed to recognize…

  1. This is an exercise in futility. Take your pick. Is there ANY Israel that Hamas would recognize? [/quote]

Nonsense. It’s simply a myth relayed by the American media. The fact of the matter is that Hamas showed good faith times and again.

That’s not to say they’re angels, but they’re absolutely not the ideological zealots you portray. A great deal of Hamas’ constituency are very pragmatic when it comes to Israel.

No genius. The suggestion is that they’re less corrupt than Fatah. Palestinians have been waiting for far too long. I can’t blame them for voting Hamas in.

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From Hamas’ own Charter.

“Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.”

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "

“There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.”

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More from Hamas’ Covenant.

[i]"Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah’s promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem)."

"This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.

It happened like this: When the leaders of the Islamic armies conquered Syria and Iraq, they sent to the Caliph of the Moslems, Umar bin-el-Khatab, asking for his advice concerning the conquered land - whether they should divide it among the soldiers, or leave it for its owners, or what? After consultations and discussions between the Caliph of the Moslems, Omar bin-el-Khatab and companions of the Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, it was decided that the land should be left with its owners who could benefit by its fruit. As for the real ownership of the land and the land itself, it should be consecrated for Moslem generations till Judgement Day. Those who are on the land, are there only to benefit from its fruit. This Waqf remains as long as earth and heaven remain. Any procedure in contradiction to Islamic Sharia, where Palestine is concerned, is null and void."[/i]

Funny, they bitch about occupation and others conquering land, yet read the passage directly above. They practically brag about Islam’s conquered lands.

By the way, this is a group that uses the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as a factual reference.

“The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion”, and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying.”

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C’mon, Lixy…

You are a “genius” too, and know that there can often be a HUGE difference between what Governments say publicly…and what they actually do (and yes…the U.S. included…)

That Hamas Charter is not only chilling…it says it all…

Mufasa

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Laughable. Until his dying day Arafat stole from the Palestinians and funded violence.

We all know he was benefiting from the status quo and how uninterested in peace he was. [/quote]

He stole millions of dollars and was certainly not interested in peace.

If you believe he was you really are off the deep end.

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
…No one asked -on our side-which particular Israel Hamas was supposed to recognize…

  1. This is an exercise in futility. Take your pick. Is there ANY Israel that Hamas would recognize?

Nonsense. It’s simply a myth relayed by the American media. The fact of the matter is that Hamas showed good faith times and again.

That’s not to say they’re angels, but they’re absolutely not the ideological zealots you portray. A great deal of Hamas’ constituency are very pragmatic when it comes to Israel.

  1. Is the suggestion that Hamas is this Rock of Honor and Purity…immune from corruption and outside influence? Whose agenda is always in the best interest of the Palestinian People?

No genius. The suggestion is that they’re less corrupt than Fatah. Palestinians have been waiting for far too long. I can’t blame them for voting Hamas in.

[/quote]

You are so hopelessly indoctinated it makes no sense. You are no better that Arafat, you talk peace and defend violence. Giving Arafart a peace prize is like giving a child rapist a “Teacher of the Year” award.

All of us, whom you berate, are interested in peace, you are not, apparently. I say be a man and join the fight. At least have some balls like your bretheren whom actions you defend.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
…All of us, whom you berate, are interested in peace, you are not, apparently. I say be a man and join the fight. At least have some balls like your bretheren whom actions you defend.[/quote]

Lixy believes he is fighting the good fight with his cyber jihad. I am glad that there are others that recognize him for what he is.

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[quote]Mufasa wrote:
C’mon, Lixy…

You are a “genius” too, and know that there can often be a HUGE difference between what Governments say publicly…and what they actually do (and yes…the U.S. included…) [/quote]

My point exactly.

Just because their position is intransigent on paper, doesn’t mean they are not interested in talks. They know very well that they don’t stand a chance in a military confrontation (even with the hypothetical help of ALL Arab states). Their charter is to distance themselves from the crooked Fatah.

Originally, the PLO charter stressed Israel’s annihilation. Think about that for a while…

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
He stole millions of dollars and was certainly not interested in peace.

If you believe he was you really are off the deep end.[/quote]

We must really live in different worlds, Zap.

I seem to recall a time where peace was around the corner. The men behind it were Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.

Hope died with one of them.

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
Giving Arafart a peace prize is like giving a child rapist a “Teacher of the Year” award. [/quote]

I believe that analogy better applies to Kissinger.

What fight? It’s a charade of a fight. We all know who’s got the upper hand, and that’s not about to change no matter how many stones are thrown at IDF armoured vehicles, how many teenagers get shot, or how many criminals blow up innocents.

It’s not a fight. It’s a slow but relentless genocide.

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According to Robert Wistrich,

"Like other Islamists, the Hamas uses antisemitic language, full of hatred towards Jews, ever since its foundation in 1987. In its Sacred Covenant [18 August 1988], there are frequent references to the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which would have gladdened the hearts of Hitler and Goebbels. It is difficult to see what any of this has to do with spirituality, works of charity, dialogue or the search for peace."[67]
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In April 2007, Palestinian Media Watch released a video in which “Dr. Ahmad Bahar, acting speaker of the Palestinian Legislative Council,” refers to Israel’s Jewish citizens as a “cancerous lump” and prays to Allah to “count them and kill them to the last one, and don’t leave even one.”[74]

In an article published on April 23, 2007 in the Hamas paper Al-Risalah, its author Kan’an Ubayd stated: "… the extermination of Jews is good for the inhabitants of the worlds on a land, to which Allah gave his blessing for the sake of the inhabitants of the worlds.?[75]

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[quote]lixy wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
He stole millions of dollars and was certainly not interested in peace.

If you believe he was you really are off the deep end.

We must really live in different worlds, Zap.

I seem to recall a time where peace was around the corner. The men behind it were Yitzhak Rabin and Yasser Arafat.

Hope died with one of them.[/quote]

Give me a break. That had no chance to succeed and most people knew it. I cannot help that you did not.

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[quote]lixy wrote:

Just because their position is intransigent on paper, doesn’t mean they are not interested in talks. They know very well that they don’t stand a chance in a military confrontation (even with the hypothetical help of ALL Arab states). Their charter is to distance themselves from the crooked Fatah.[/quote]

What a painfully transparent and wickedly stupid attempt to put a shine on a terrorist organization’s motives to slaughter its enemies.

My God, Lixy - the mission statement is right there and you try and tell us it doesn’t mean what it says? That Hamas’ butchering intentions for the “apes and pigs” is merely to distinguish it from a rival “corrupt” group?

Couldn’t Hamas just distinguish itself by saying “we want a two part state and we aren’t corrupt like Fatah”?

What a fraud you are.

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Some quality Palestinian TV programming. The following is based upon an old anti-semitic belief that Jews would kidnap children for their blood. Text below. Hope the video shows up in this post.

[i]A drama, presented as historical fact, in which Jews slit the throat of a Christian child to get blood for Passover Matzah.

The blood of Christian child for Passover Matzah
Scene I:
Two men talking.
Rabbi (speaking to a young man seated next to him): We have a task from the leadership. We need the blood of a Christian child before Passover for matza.
Scene II:
Dimly lit hallway. Rabbi with young man behind him. A third man enters dragging a child.
Christian child: Nathan save me!
Nathan: Don't be afraid.
Rabbi nods to the young man who nods to Nathan. Nathan forces the child down onto the floor and cuts his throat. Someone catches the blood in a bowl.
Scene III:
Rabbi and young man standing eating matzo. While chewing they nod to one another as if to say, We have done what we need to do.[/i]
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[quote]lixy wrote:
pat36 wrote:
Giving Arafart a peace prize is like giving a child rapist a “Teacher of the Year” award.

I believe that analogy better applies to Kissinger.

All of us, whom you berate, are interested in peace, you are not, apparently. I say be a man and join the fight. At least have some balls like your bretheren whom actions you defend.

What fight? It’s a charade of a fight. We all know who’s got the upper hand, and that’s not about to change no matter how many stones are thrown at IDF armoured vehicles, how many teenagers get shot, or how many criminals blow up innocents.

It’s not a fight. It’s a slow but relentless genocide.[/quote]

I wish they would hurry the damn genocide up and just turn the whole place into a glass parking lot, because i’m tired of hearing about it.

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Welcome to Palestine, indeed. The claim is that Hamas/PLA merely wish for a two state solution. Basically, a reclaiming of West bank/Gaza.

Now let’s look at evidence from 12th grade Palestinian text books. I’ll only list some headers, but will provide the link to the full report. There you’ll be able to read in detail what Palestinian youth are taught.

1. Fighting Israel until liberation - a religious battle of Islam
A. Conflict with Israel defined as Islamic Ribat

2. The “state” of “Palestine” exists in a world without Israel

[i]A. The “state” of “Palestine” is said to have water access to the Red Sea – a situation possible only if Israel does not exist.

B. The size of the State of “Palestine” is said to be more than 10,000 square kilometers, which is not possible as long as Israel exists. This teaches youth to picture a world without Israel.

C. The educators go to great lengths to insure that the youth picture the world without Israel. They teach that their state is rectangular, again instructing the youth to see Israel?s land as part of the State of “Palestine”.

D. Israel’s Jewish history and connection to the land are hidden. The following section defines the Israeli cities of Jerusalem and Nazareth as “Palestinian cities,” with "holy sites to Islam and Christianity.? There is no mention of Jewish holy sites. Acknowledging Jewish holy sites in Jerusalem would draw attention to the Jewish people’s history in the Land of Israel.[/]

3. A visual world without Israel: on all maps “Palestine” exists, Israel does not
A. A map describing the Nile flow from Victoria Lake to the Mediterranean Sea. The map indicates all the names of the states except for Israel, which is marked ?Palestine?.

http://www.pmw.org.il/BookReport_Eng.pdf

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From the same report on Palestinian 12th grade textbooks.

  1. Holocaust Denial: World War II without a Holocaust

The textbook History of the Arabs and the World in the 20th Century teaches the military and the political events of World War II in significant detail, including sections on Nazi racist ideology, yet neither persecution of Jews nor the Holocaust is mentioned.

It is apparent that the PA educators made an active decision to exclude the Holocaust from history. The new book writes selectively about the issues of the Holocaust, citing Nazi racist ideology and restrictions the Nazis placed on “inferior” non-Aryan nations, yet it makes no reference to the Holocaust or to Jews. The schoolbook even teaches about the post-war trials of "senior Nazi leaders as war criminals? [p. 46] but make no mention of the crimes for which the “war criminals” were on trial.

[i]Lesson 3 ? Racial Discrimination

Race Theory evolved during the thirties of the previous century, when the Nazi movement appeared in Germany in 1933 and divided the nations into superior and others who were inferior. It espoused the superiority of the Aryan race, from which the Germans originated, passed racist laws and limited the work positions to Germans alone, under the inference that [only] they are equal in their rights and obligations, while others are subject to special laws, which were imposed on them under the inference that they were foreigners in its? [German] land.
[The History of the Arabs and the World in the 20th Century, grade 12, p. 123]

The Peace Accords (1945-1947): Potsdam Conference in 1945

The Allied states established an international court to bring to trial the senior Nazi leaders as war criminals.
[The History of the Arabs and the World in the 20th Century, grade 12, p. 46][/i]

Separate sections of the history book are devoted to the events leading to World War II, the battles of the war on the Baltic Front, the Western Front, the African Front, the Russian Front, the Far East Front, the El Alamein battle, the defeat of the Axis forces, and Japan?s defeat and the dropping of the atomic bomb. But in the PA educators? version of world war history, there is no Holocaust.

http://www.pmw.org.il/BookReport_Eng.pdf

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Tokoya wrote:
It only took less than
two years for them to turn their new country into a failed state.

Now, hundreds of Palestinians wait at borders into Israel as international aid officials tried to determine how to care for them. Pathetic parasites that they are.

Who ever coined the phrase that “Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity” was a genius.

When did they ever have a new country? Don’t call the gaza strip “their new country”. It was an open prison from day 1. With the Israeli blocking the borders, no access to the sea (fisherboats were being blown out of the water by the Israeli navy), with their airport shut down.

Think before you post man.

Hey wreckless, I heard hamas is look for recruits. Do us a favor and join them. That’s the only place where more stupidity couldn’t possibly hurt.[/quote]

What? Telling the truth makes me a supporter of Hamas?

Then your lies must mean you support Bush right?

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[quote]pat36 wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
Tokoya wrote:
It only took less than
two years for them to turn their new country into a failed state.

Now, hundreds of Palestinians wait at borders into Israel as international aid officials tried to determine how to care for them. Pathetic parasites that they are.

Who ever coined the phrase that “Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity” was a genius.

When did they ever have a new country? Don’t call the gaza strip “their new country”. It was an open prison from day 1. With the Israeli blocking the borders, no access to the sea (fisherboats were being blown out of the water by the Israeli navy), with their airport shut down.

Think before you post man.

You are right, they are way to fucking stupid to have their own country. AND, look who is getting to take care of the refugees, Israel! Lucky them.[/quote]

That’s just as stupid as saying the Israeli are to stupid to have peace.
Or the US was to stupid to keep both towers upright.