Weird Case: Something to Mix for Fat Loss

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(and yes I looked…reaseached,but here are people who live it…do it…did it…so thank you guys…

Hello guys…needing some help…so I came to the best place…after trying to find the answer myself…but so many diffent things…heres my story…(pro athlete)

Im on TEST ENANTHATE from dr. (yes I need it)
I take 100mg’s a week ,he wanted 200 every other week…
my prob is I need FAT LOSS ,but can not mix just anything with this…must be out of system in about 2-8 weeks tops…but 3-5 would be better…which limits what I can take…here are some ideas from reading…

winstrol ?
test prop
primobolan depot
proviron
anavar
parabolan
ANADIOL

any ideas ?? or something I missed… bulk is not my main goal at all…yes I know…ENANTHATE the say is for bulking…
fat loss ,a lil energy,training recovery…speed is better for me…

and yes I have CLEN & T3 ,but looking to mix something with the TEST …if someone could suggest something…and tell me the best way to use it…would be great…
(TEST must stay at 100 a week,doc wont budge)

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diet, cardio

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100mgs/week. Wow, I’d rather eat red meat everyday. Cardio, carb manipulation, and OTC and grey area stimulants will help you lean out.

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Winstrol. 50mg eod, up your cardio and keep your diet tight.

-M

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You’re a drug tested professional athlete, am I reading that right? Can you tell us what sport? I can assume from your name and avatar, but I don’t like to assume too much.

I am confused on when the compound(s) need to be clear from your system. Two to eight weeks from when exactly? How long can you run a cycle? What are your current stats? What is your specific goal for the end of this cycle?

I’m not sure where you are getting your information from but…I would definitely not run the Primobolan Depot, Parabolan, or Methandriol (Andriol) if you want the stuff out of your system quickly. Also, the Proviron will not do much for you on its own. It might help to make more fee testosterone available for your body to use and have some anti-estrogenic effects, but nothing much in the grand scheme of things.

I cannot, however, give a blind recommendation of compounds and dosages with out knowing the answers to the questions above.

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[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
100mgs/week. Wow, I’d rather eat red meat everyday. Cardio, carb manipulation, and OTC and grey area stimulants will help you lean out. [/quote]

I disagree young pup.

When it is medically necessary, 100mg every week is a life changing dose - giving a great libido, level of confidence, and composition enhancement that has been missing for sometimes years… dont be so quick to judge, you are young still.

OP… i personally do not think you are in need of more AAS to lose fat, that isnt their real use TBH - even with the cutting drugs it isnt… It is a Bodybuilder thang - not a everyman thing.

Do you exercise and how is your nutrition? Both can and should be improved, you wont find a single geezer here that gets results without hard ass work - steds or not.

Also how long you been on the Enanth? That will help you to change your body composition over time enough for your needs i suspect, but not in 2 weeks, more like 6 months with relevant exercise, weight-training is absolutely imperitive for fat control, and cardio is an after thought that is used mostly for removing small amounts excess calories, or fat loss for the lean.

Joe

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supplementing sea kelp must not be over looked, its legal, safe/ish and effective in extremely high doses.

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Joe, when I look at it from that context, I agree, if someone had severly low test levels those 100mg/week would work wonders. My main concern would be experiencing endogenous (sp) test production shutdown by a mere 100mg/week. Yet again, I don’t know the duration of the OPs treatment. My bad for posting a one sided point of view.

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[quote]Growing_Boy wrote:
Joe, when I look at it from that context, I agree, if someone had severly low test levels those 100mg/week would work wonders. My main concern would be experiencing endogenous (sp) test production shutdown by a mere 100mg/week. Yet again, I don’t know the duration of the OPs treatment. My bad for posting a one sided point of view. [/quote]

But for TRT purposes there isnt much test to shut down and is virtually useless anyway… they dont care, shut it down! We got injections to replace that junk - pharm grade at that!!

You are seeing it from a bodybuilder/steroid users perspective - more, more, MORE! If ya gonna shut down - stick a gram in there bro!! ;D

When (not if sadly) i go on full time, i will be cycling too… shit! I am looking forward to it! LMARO!

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[quote] JJ wrote:
Growing_Boy wrote:
100mgs/week. Wow, I’d rather eat red meat everyday. Cardio, carb manipulation, and OTC and grey area stimulants will help you lean out.

I disagree young pup.

When it is medically necessary, 100mg every week is a life changing dose - giving a great libido, level of confidence, and composition enhancement that has been missing for sometimes years… dont be so quick to judge, you are young still.

OP… i personally do not think you are in need of more AAS to lose fat, that isnt their real use TBH - even with the cutting drugs it isnt… It is a Bodybuilder thang - not a everyman thing.

Do you exercise and how is your nutrition? Both can and should be improved, you wont find a single geezer here that gets results without hard ass work - steds or not.

Also how long you been on the Enanth? That will help you to change your body composition over time enough for your needs i suspect, but not in 2 weeks, more like 6 months with relevant exercise, weight-training is absolutely imperitive for fat control, and cardio is an after thought that is used mostly for removing small amounts excess calories, or fat loss for the lean.

Joe[/quote]

JJ great reply…let me give you some mor info…my test levels where very low…like 198,tested about 6 x’s the highest was 204…Im very good at diet…and weight loss…in my sport you have to be…I once lost 30 lbs in 28 days…lol not smart…but takes balls…lol and no drugs…I never used them…I do not think I made it clear…its not that I want a short cut…or quick(seems to be the replys I get) my prob is being on ENANTHATE (AND DOC WONT BUDGE) my ? I quess it…what can I take to maybe not just get big from it…its been 9 weeks…Im def stronger…and pump in my biceps 24/7 but thats it…

my last want is ‘big muscle or bulk’ some training recovery would be good.and somethnig to aid in ENANTHATE just adding weight(although I read this test can also lead to fat loss) some much info around trust me I ‘tried’ to do my homework ! and also have heard…read…and been told if my EST. is out of whack I def wont lose fat…and for who asked…Im a pro boxer…and very strict testing…so Im looking for about 8 weeks before I fight…I read this about test prop

“An eye-catching difference, however, is that the athlete “draws” distinctly less water with propionate and visibly lower water retention occurs. Since propionate is quickly effective, often after only one or two days, the athlete experience an increase of his training energy, a better pump, an increased appetite, and a slight strength gain”

water gain I CAN NOT have…so thats my story…I hope I made it clear…and I truly thank you for your reply…and a foot note…I do not feel any change in mood…libido…but then again…my doc said about 8-9 weeks…and strenght has changed…viens are showing …which normaly dont…and also my blood tests will be back prob wednesday…for E2…TOTAL TEST…ETC…and forgive me for being ‘new’ at this…we all have to start somewhere…I have acess to T3 & clen…but reading things like I did about test prop thats big help…well once again thank you all for replys…

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[quote]W.H.B. wrote:
You’re a drug tested professional athlete, am I reading that right? Can you tell us what sport? I can assume from your name and avatar, but I don’t like to assume too much.

I am confused on when the compound(s) need to be clear from your system. Two to eight weeks from when exactly? How long can you run a cycle? What are your current stats? What is your specific goal for the end of this cycle?

I’m not sure where you are getting your information from but…I would definitely not run the Primobolan Depot, Parabolan, or Methandriol (Andriol) if you want the stuff out of your system quickly. Also, the Proviron will not do much for you on its own. It might help to make more fee testosterone available for your body to use and have some anti-estrogenic effects, but nothing much in the grand scheme of things.

I cannot, however, give a blind recommendation of compounds and dosages with out knowing the answers to the questions above.[/quote]

thank you for your reply…Im a Pro boxer…some have said anavar might help…the mistake I made is saying I want fat loss help which I do…but more in a sense…fat loss help being on TEST which is getting me bigger…lol and test is by doc…up to that point I never used a drug In my life…and have always lsot weight with hard work…but time is differnt…and life has changed…thank you again

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Definitely post your blood test results. I’ll try and respond to your answers tomorrow. For now, I’m gonna look at some porn and get to bed…long day tomorrow.

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So to re-cap you desire a steroid that is short acting… in and out fast.
One that is not going to increase estrogen and most importantly water retention.
One that will increase strength over size.
If you get fat loss, energy, and stamina then that is a bonus.

The options available in that bracket are:

Winstrol: Stanazol; oral only, 3 weeks detection.

Andriol: Testosterone undecanoate; Oral. Detection 1 week.

Anavar: Oxandrolone; Oral. 3 weeks detection.

Tren Acetate: Trenbolone Acetate; Inj. 4-5 weeks detection.

Primobolan: Depot; Oral. 4-5 weeks detection.

MAYBE Testosterone: Suspension; Inj. Detection time matter of days.

Winstrol is more common in Boxing, and out of them all i would recommend Winstrol, primobolan, and maybe tren at a high ass dose for 3-4 weeks, then off. then maybe use suspension upto a few days from the weigh in.
Tesp prop will make you hold water, just not as much as the others, this is out of your body in 2-3 weeks - nothing you use can be used right upto the event, but when is your doping test? Before the event or random? If its random, you could use through the event as it is still a massive risk. Wont your TRT show up as a positive though? If that is why you can use steroids, then go with winstrol, anavar, and primobolan throughout. Maybe use trenbolone too if you want - none will cause bloat, and the winstrol, anavar and mostly the tren - you’ll be stronger than ever thought possible.

If you have to use a testosterone to be safe in the doping screen, maybe prop until before the weigh in so as not to be up a class, then continue with the susp. it APPARENTLY makes you hold little water. You will need an aromatase inhibitor with the testosterones.

I am no expert on sports doping though. Just some info for you to chew over.

J

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ok…the only reason I suggested TEST PROP is because being on TEST from 1 of the area’s top docs…they wont bother me about it…the test is either at the weigh in…the day before…or the 2nd you get out of the ring…fernando vargas failed for winny…joey gilbert from the contender…and 2 other guys for decca…they are used yes…but very tough to use because most guys fight often…as they get older…guys like James tony (who failed 2x for decca) and varga…fight maybe 1-2 x a year…so they try to get away with it…of what you said…no TEST PROP ?

or was that because of what said about testing…from what you put…and what ive read…maybe winstrol or anavar.If im going to take anything…mine as well get more bang for buck no ? so in that case…wouldnt winstrol ‘do more’ then just anavar ? so based on me being a little clearer…what would you suggest…?? im going to post my newest tests after being on TEST ENANTHGATE this week…last tests was
TOTAL TEST=229
FREE TEST=5.63
% FREE TEST=2.46
thank you for taking the time to respond…I thank you…

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[quote]W.H.B. wrote:
Definitely post your blood test results. I’ll try and respond to your answers tomorrow. For now, I’m gonna look at some porn and get to bed…long day tomorrow.[/quote]

should have them this week…look above for my 1st results…and thank you !

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[quote]fightu35 wrote:
ok…the only reason I suggested TEST PROP is because being on TEST from 1 of the area’s top docs…they wont bother me about it…the test is either at the weigh in…the day before…or the 2nd you get out of the ring…fernando vargas failed for winny…joey gilbert from the contender…and 2 other guys for decca…they are used yes…but very tough to use because most guys fight often…as they get older…guys like James tony (who failed 2x for decca) and varga…fight maybe 1-2 x a year…so they try to get away with it…of what you said…no TEST PROP ? or was that because of what said about testing…from what you put…and what ive read…maybe winstrol or anavar.If im going to take anything…mine as well get more bang for buck no ? so in that case…wouldnt winstrol ‘do more’ then just anavar ? so based on me being a little clearer…what would you suggest…?? im going to post my newest tests after being on TEST ENANTHGATE this week…last tests was
TOTAL TEST=229
FREE TEST=5.63
% FREE TEST=2.46
thank you for taking the time to respond…I thank you…[/quote]

A little clearer, not much.

Winstrol isnt a great steroid. Anavar is better IMO, but i havent used anavar. I wouldnt use winstrol at much less than 75mg a day now.
Why wouldnt you do both?

But you mention many who have been caught on drugs like winstrol (deca is fucking stupid for a tested athlete) and you can get away with testosterone, so why bother with something that can get you banned or disqualified and fined at the least?

In that case test suspension and Prop are your best bets with a high dose AI to reduce water - if you use a mild diuretic too for the weigh in too maybe…

If you use any anabolic other than test you are likely to get caught doping, so stick with test. And yes, prop holds LESS than cyp/enan… you can use it throughout the fight… maybe some test susp. for the day of the fight too for that extra strength and aggression…

what do you think you will do?

J

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thanks for the reply…you said why wouldnt I use both…to be honest…I’D rather not use anything…my main goal/foucus was something I can do…or add that will not just have the ENANTHATE make me heavyer…strenght im not worried about I punch hard enough (muscle ‘strenght’ has zero to do with how hard you punch)

would adding a another form of test help that ?
I do have acess to CLEN & T3 so its not so much just to lose weight…just I do not want to be bulky and gain weight,this test got me so its hard to bend my arms(my biceps are bigger and fuller all of a sudden & hard)…lol a 1st for me with that kind of pump LOL,I barley lift…I normaly lift to keep LBM up from all the training I do and diet.its confusing so forgive me for being ‘new’ from some of what I read about TEST PROP (if its true)

IE " often after only one or two days, the athlete experience an increase of his training energy, a better pump, an increased appetite, and a slight strength gain,
Energy sounds good…recovery would be good…do not notice to much ‘energy’ from ENAN yet,should I ?..so combined with every I have read from you…and my own…what do you think about getting PROP (unless you think undecanoate,or suspension,would be better for me) ans using getting anavar…or just prop & CLEN & T3 if there is anything I can do to make anything more clear…please let me know ,I thank you for your help.

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Why do anything then? you dont have to… your TRT is prescribed… so be it. But adding more illegally and illicitly is different bruv.

What about more test? if you bumped the enanth up from your trt dose of 100mg a week to possibly 300mg a week, you wouldnt get TOO much water, and sides would be low. It would definitely give more than it took…

But your weight would go up. What is the burrer you have available between your current weight and the limit of your weight class?

That is what you have to play with…

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[quote] JJ wrote:
Why do anything then? you dont have to… your TRT is prescribed… so be it. But adding more illegally and illicitly is different bruv.

What about more test? if you bumped the enanth up from your trt dose of 100mg a week to possibly 300mg a week, you wouldnt get TOO much water, and sides would be low. It would definitely give more than it took…

But your weight would go up. What is the burrer you have available between your current weight and the limit of your weight class?

That is what you have to play with…[/quote]

my doc will not budge on the test…he wants 200mg’s every other week…I do 100 a week on my own…I jsut sent another message with mroe details…thank you

I can move to the 154 lb class up from 147lbs…My walk around weight is about 175 ish…right now Im about 185(after an injry) any ideas on what I was thinking about aDDING IN THE LAST REPLY TO YOUR MESSAFE ?