[quote]pumped340 wrote:
[quote]gremlin1267 wrote:
I think a lot of people are trying to point out that if you quit training your legs you miss out on all the endocrine responses that you get from training legs. Not training your legs would be like committing suicide in a bodybuilding sense, because even if you are cutting you need to resistance traini IOT keep size on. Lifting helps spare protein from being degraded while lifting, preventing it from being used for fuel. If you were to stop all leg training you’re left with very few options as far as big calorie burning / endocrine response exercises. What kind of exercises elicit the best hormone responses within the body…squats, deadlifts, etc. Throwing those exercises away is counter productive. My 0.02…
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Legs was just an example, it could be for anything.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Well this is all hypothetical but let’s say Person A begins their diet squatting 155x10 for a top set and was able to do 225x10 at the end there. Maybe handling the heavier load when the calories/carbs are reintroduced would cause MORE growth than Person B who is starting at that original 155x10. Who knows really?
You could look at someone like Matt Kroc of an example of a guy who didn’t do much direct arm work(outside of pressing and pulling and the occasional curl) before his diet prep with Shelby. He has said that he’s experienced great growth even with the restricted calories.
Would he have been better off “waiting” till his contest was over? Absolutely not for the short term, and I HIGHLY doubt he’s going to be missing out on growth because he was in a deficit when he started focusing on his “show” muscles. This isn’t the exact same as what you are looking for but I think it’ll illustrate a basic point in terms of progress while dieting.
A guy who ends squats 455x20 deep is going to have monster legs most likely(don’t post about Dr. Ken or his equivalent, I don’t care lol) whether he was dieting while he made any of those strength gains or not. That’s how I see it. [/quote]
Well yea I would agree that anyone who can legit squat 455x20 is going to be big legs, but anyone who can do that sure as hell spent a lot of the time gaining weight or at least eating a lot. I guess my “question” can’t really be answered, just thought others might have some ideas. One reason I was wondering (not actually why I started the thread, but it came to mind later) is that I recently decided to start training my neck. Imo a bigger neck just makes you look more powerful. There’s some limit to the amount of weight I could use on a neck flexion so if that first 30lb or whatever I gain on the lift could be during a surplus it would result in more gains that if I added that much weight during a cut. Whether or not the gains would just “catch up” later I guess is the real question.
I remember an article by kelly bagget on IA’s site awhile ago that said bodybuilders will want to put on the most size for a given strength increase (compared to powerlifters for example that might not want to). That’s obvious, but related to this.
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The limit is a LOT higher on neck flexion than you thought. Presuming you do it with a dumbbells it is 100 lbs at most gyms or 150 lbs at more hardcore gyms.
Of course you can chain more weights onto the 100 lbs.
For reference I am attempting 90 lbs for 12 reps tommorrow after I dropped the weight when I increased the reps from 10 to 12…went from 95 for 10 to 75 for 12 and worked my way back up over about a month
