Was the Cop Right?

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
Agree with batman. If a suspect is brandishing a knife, the officer is authorized to use deadly force. I believe here and there are some stipulations… a knife is considered a deadly weapon within a 20 foot range, but not outside of it.

But that being said, I believe in this case it would have been better to shoot to disable, rather than kill.[/quote]

A knife isnt a deadly weapon to a person with any type of fighting skill.

I can think of so many ways to avoid being stabbed or getting the weapon away from the situation completely.
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Sorry Man, a Knife is deadly as fuck a d it never needs to reload. This isn’t training in a Dojo. A knife in a willing persons hands regardless of size will end you.

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[quote]paulwhite959 wrote:

Bullshit.

I’ve been attacked with a knife while I was unarmed. I got cut. Didn’t wind up needing stitches but it hurt like hell and could easily have been a lot worse if I hadn’t spun and thrown him.

IF (big if) there’s a next time and I’m carrying a gun? You bet your ass I’m going to shoot someone with a knife rather than let them close on me. I don 't feel like risking my life to protect my attacker, thanks.

And you don’t fucking shoot to disable. Take a target the size of a fist. Set it moving on a drag line or something, moving unpredictably and erratically. Try to shoot it. Good fucking luck. You aim center of mass for a reason–it’s the biggest target. You don’t want to shoot someone else by accident or miss entirely.

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Exactly. The idea that a knife isn’t a deadly weapon to someone with training is ignorant. A knife IS a deadly weapon period. Just as a gun is a deadly weapon. It doesn’t matter who is on the wrong end of the weapon it can still kill. In fact, someone trained in unarmed combat treats a knife as a deadly weapon…because it still is. If you were to talk to people who are trained in unarmed knife defense, which obviously a few of you “experts” have not, you would know that even they would shoot a knife wielding subject rather than use their bare hands or a knife, if they had the option. If they had the option to fight or get away they would get away (an option than a cop doesn’t usually have as it’s his job to confront violence).

And the type of skill level it takes to have a better than average chance of overcoming a knifer takes years to develop and it is a perishable skill. If you want all cops to be Chuck Norris then be prepared to spend a lot of money training them and waiting a few years for them to be ready to actually to their job as well as allowing them the time to maintain that skill which means instead of a cop working an 8 hour shift, with most of that spent doing police work, he will spend half the shift working and the other half in the gym.

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Kindly google or wikipedia the phrase, “Tueller drill.”

The idea that a knife is ‘no problem’ for someone with skills is inaccurate, and in many situations and ranges the knife can be deployed more readily than the gun.

Knife disarms are great if you have no choice, but if you rely on that as your go-to position, a stabbing is in your eventual future.

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[quote]Elegua360 wrote:
Kindly google or wikipedia the phrase, “Tueller drill.”

The idea that a knife is ‘no problem’ for someone with skills is inaccurate, and in many situations and ranges the knife can be deployed more readily than the gun.

Knife disarms are great if you have no choice, but if you rely on that as your go-to position, a stabbing is in your eventual future.[/quote]

But I think to be perfectly realistic, the average assailant with a knife is not going to be any better using it than the average cop is going to be stopping him. So it just comes back to gun > knife.

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So why the fuck shouldn’t the cops get an advantage? I’m not a cop-just a person who was in the wrong place, wrong time and too dumb to get out of it quickly enough before violence happened. But I wouldn’t expect a cop to take those risk just to preserve the life of someone trying to kill them.

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[quote]paulwhite959 wrote:
So why the fuck shouldn’t the cops get an advantage?[/quote]

Because this is 'merica, damn it! Everyone needs a fair chance.

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No one can see a knife in this video, and it is very unlikely the guy would show a knife to a cop whatever intentions he have had… if you are so brave and want to kill a fucking cop you would hide your knife and wait until the cop comes close, while if you don’t have this intention you just leave a knife alone so not to be seen by a cop.

Anyway, the distance was safe and there was plenty stuff the cop could have done before start shooting… But looking at the scene you can clearly see the cop just got so stressed out for no apparent reason, he got stressed out by his own shouting… maybe this was his first chase of a car in his professional career? maybe just his nerves are not up to a standard for this profession?.. he wasn’t really aware what he was doing… Any innocent peaceful person one day could possibly get into such a situation and get shot to death…

The cop was way too quick to start shooting… Following the logic of this cop, he should have also shot the wife of this R.I.P man because she looked aggressive, she was insulting the cop and looked like just before to attack… and after the cop put handcuffs on a dead body he should also have shot one more control shot in the corp’s head…

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I am glad I don’t live in America anymore…

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[quote]Antonio. B wrote:
I am glad I don’t live in America anymore…[/quote]
Me too…

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Dude had a knife. Dont police have some hand to hand combat skills? Fuck
[/quote]

If the dude has a knife, it’s not hand to hand is it?[/quote]

Of course it is. If your skills are up to par (which as a cop i hope they are) they disarming a person with a knife shouldnt be hard at all.

Front stomp kick from a distance then a crashing technique…move to elbow or hroat strike…rear throw…armbreaker series.

Anything. Its a knife. You should know how to handle someone with a knife .

He couldve pepper spray the guy even without needing any h2h at all.
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This is incredibly stupid.

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During Soviet times in 1980 in Soviet Union cops very often didn’t have pistols when patrolling the city, and instead of a gun they would keep there a sandwich for a night meal… but those where safe times and they will probably never come back… While in America there are so many drug addicts that are ready to attack you for no reason what so ever… I have been and I have lived in many places in the world form Colombia to China, France and Italy… but America and Canada, for me personally, looked the least safe countries… so probably why the police has been trained accordingly…

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[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Dude had a knife. Dont police have some hand to hand combat skills? Fuck
[/quote]

If the dude has a knife, it’s not hand to hand is it?[/quote]

Of course it is. If your skills are up to par (which as a cop i hope they are) they disarming a person with a knife shouldnt be hard at all.

Front stomp kick from a distance then a crashing technique…move to elbow or hroat strike…rear throw…armbreaker series.

Anything. Its a knife. You should know how to handle someone with a knife .

He couldve pepper spray the guy even without needing any h2h at all.
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This is incredibly stupid.
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Indeed.

You are still quite capable of stabbing someone if you’ve been sprayed. Hell, it doesn’t even work on some people.

A lot of idiots who have no idea what they are talking about come out of the woodwork with these threads.

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[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Dude had a knife. Dont police have some hand to hand combat skills? Fuck
[/quote]

If the dude has a knife, it’s not hand to hand is it?[/quote]

Of course it is. If your skills are up to par (which as a cop i hope they are) they disarming a person with a knife shouldnt be hard at all.

Front stomp kick from a distance then a crashing technique…move to elbow or hroat strike…rear throw…armbreaker series.

Anything. Its a knife. You should know how to handle someone with a knife .

He couldve pepper spray the guy even without needing any h2h at all.
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This is incredibly stupid.
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Spoken from my experience as a bouncer. Say what you want. I dont give a fuck really.

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[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Dude had a knife. Dont police have some hand to hand combat skills? Fuck
[/quote]

If the dude has a knife, it’s not hand to hand is it?[/quote]

Of course it is. If your skills are up to par (which as a cop i hope they are) they disarming a person with a knife shouldnt be hard at all.

Front stomp kick from a distance then a crashing technique…move to elbow or hroat strike…rear throw…armbreaker series.

Anything. Its a knife. You should know how to handle someone with a knife .

He couldve pepper spray the guy even without needing any h2h at all.
[/quote]

This is incredibly stupid.
[/quote]

Indeed.

You are still quite capable of stabbing someone if you’ve been sprayed. Hell, it doesn’t even work on some people.

A lot of idiots who have no idea what they are talking about come out of the woodwork with these threads. [/quote]

Club security

Many fights…

Lols

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
Agree with batman. If a suspect is brandishing a knife, the officer is authorized to use deadly force. I believe here and there are some stipulations… a knife is considered a deadly weapon within a 20 foot range, but not outside of it.

But that being said, I believe in this case it would have been better to shoot to disable, rather than kill.[/quote]

A knife isnt a deadly weapon to a person with any type of fighting skill.

I can think of so many ways to avoid being stabbed or getting the weapon away from the situation completely.
[/quote]

Living in Philly as an art student back in the 80s, a dude pulled a knife on me once. I was on a skateboard and he was pissing against a building and I yelled at him. He turned around and came at me with a knife. I jumped off the board, picked it up like a weapon, and yelled, “Come on, motherfucker!” He backed down.

Later that year, 5 young dudes threatened me with sharpened screwdrivers, in broad daylight. Once again, my skateboard came up as a weapon and all the fuckers backed down.

So it was either the board that they perceived as a viable weapon, or they weren’t sure what to make of an angry, raging, bonkers dwarf.

lol
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Do you think he would have backed down if you had to arrest him?

You both knew neither of you had an obligation to be in the situation you were in, so really it wasn’t worth it for you or the other guy. You both could have ran away.

If you were a cop and you found the guy pissing on the building and he pulled a knife on you, you have no choice but to arrest the person. I’m sure there would be a lot less police shootings if police just left when shit hit the fan.

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[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Dude had a knife. Dont police have some hand to hand combat skills? Fuck
[/quote]

If the dude has a knife, it’s not hand to hand is it?[/quote]

Of course it is. If your skills are up to par (which as a cop i hope they are) they disarming a person with a knife shouldnt be hard at all.

Front stomp kick from a distance then a crashing technique…move to elbow or hroat strike…rear throw…armbreaker series.

Anything. Its a knife. You should know how to handle someone with a knife .

He couldve pepper spray the guy even without needing any h2h at all.
[/quote]

This is incredibly stupid.
[/quote]

Indeed.

You are still quite capable of stabbing someone if you’ve been sprayed. Hell, it doesn’t even work on some people.

A lot of idiots who have no idea what they are talking about come out of the woodwork with these threads. [/quote]

Club security

Many fights…

Lols[/quote]

Yep. You think pepper spray would stop someone from stabbing you, yet I’m fully capable handcuffing someone 3 minutes after being sprayed.

Lols

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[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]cwill1973 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]batman730 wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:
Dude had a knife. Dont police have some hand to hand combat skills? Fuck
[/quote]

If the dude has a knife, it’s not hand to hand is it?[/quote]

Of course it is. If your skills are up to par (which as a cop i hope they are) they disarming a person with a knife shouldnt be hard at all.

Front stomp kick from a distance then a crashing technique…move to elbow or hroat strike…rear throw…armbreaker series.

Anything. Its a knife. You should know how to handle someone with a knife .

He couldve pepper spray the guy even without needing any h2h at all.
[/quote]

This is incredibly stupid.
[/quote]

Indeed.

You are still quite capable of stabbing someone if you’ve been sprayed. Hell, it doesn’t even work on some people.

A lot of idiots who have no idea what they are talking about come out of the woodwork with these threads. [/quote]

Club security

Many fights…

Lols[/quote]

Yep. You think pepper spray would stop someone from stabbing you, yet I’m fully capable handcuffing someone 3 minutes after being sprayed.

Lols
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Why does it take you 3 minutes if it doesnt work at all? I never intended to make spray an end all. It may work well or it may get someone. To only blink for a few seconds. A few seconds is an opening for a takedown or putdown strike…right?

I can spray you eyes with water and your first reaction is wiping your eyes…

But yea dude keep acting like i said “pepper spray will KO a dude on PCP”

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So many “experts” in this thread.

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[quote]WN76 wrote:

[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:

[quote]Ct. Rockula wrote:

[quote]LoRez wrote:
Agree with batman. If a suspect is brandishing a knife, the officer is authorized to use deadly force. I believe here and there are some stipulations… a knife is considered a deadly weapon within a 20 foot range, but not outside of it.

But that being said, I believe in this case it would have been better to shoot to disable, rather than kill.[/quote]

A knife isnt a deadly weapon to a person with any type of fighting skill.

I can think of so many ways to avoid being stabbed or getting the weapon away from the situation completely.
[/quote]

Living in Philly as an art student back in the 80s, a dude pulled a knife on me once. I was on a skateboard and he was pissing against a building and I yelled at him. He turned around and came at me with a knife. I jumped off the board, picked it up like a weapon, and yelled, “Come on, motherfucker!” He backed down.

Later that year, 5 young dudes threatened me with sharpened screwdrivers, in broad daylight. Once again, my skateboard came up as a weapon and all the fuckers backed down.

So it was either the board that they perceived as a viable weapon, or they weren’t sure what to make of an angry, raging, bonkers dwarf.

lol
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Do you think he would have backed down if you had to arrest him?

You both knew neither of you had an obligation to be in the situation you were in, so really it wasn’t worth it for you or the other guy. You both could have ran away.

If you were a cop and you found the guy pissing on the building and he pulled a knife on you, you have no choice but to arrest the person. I’m sure there would be a lot less police shootings if police just left when shit hit the fan. [/quote]

Logic tells in such situations without the court final decision you have to take someones life out only when he actually attacks you with a lethal weapon, not when it just looks like he could have, or he might have had a knife and so on… Otherwise anyone and I could easily get shot walking at night with a gym bag from 24hours fitness - cop stops me because I look suspicious (shaved head, black color bag), then I just want to show him my passport that I am from Soviet Union and he obviously decides that I am taking out my gun and at the same time he shouts “hands up!” also starts shooting in my chest…

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[quote]strungoutboy21 wrote:
So many “experts” in this thread.[/quote]

Yes, some very few really are… I am not American, but in former Soviet republic I have been trained and worked as a cop for five years… these things isn’t a medical science… although information on the video is limited, there are no doubts that for such a behavior in another country this cop would spend a decade in jail…