Was Jesus the First Democrat ?

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

I personally feel if Jesus were alive today he would approve of the almost %50 of the population (Democrats) and wonder why his people the Moral Majority would stand against his principles .

If you would add the percentage points of the Moral Majority to that of the Democrats you would surely break the majority
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Yeah Jesus seems like he would be a big fan of abortion.
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I agree, but I believe the Moral Majority could influence the Democrats the same way they influenced the Republicans [/quote]

Wasn’t Jesus and God all about choice? Like, we have a right to abort babies, it is just an abdication of our duty to the life. I mean, it seems obvious that the health of the baby supercedes the mother, however the mother has the right to choose to end it since she carries the thing.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]koffea wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Jesus didn’t do it on someone else’s dime.[/quote]

i cant believe this thread continued past this post.

jesus never advocated stealing from the rich to give to the poor. this is essentially what democrats advocate.
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So this is the Republicans justification of un Christ like policies , because they are protecting the wealthy from the poor ?

I think taxes were mentioned in the Bible "Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s "[/quote]

Shithead, jesus told the rich son, who asked jesus what was required for a wealthy man to accend to heaven. Jesus told him to give away all he owned.

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[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
If he lived to today, I dont think he would be a democrat or a republican. He fits the pacifist-anarchist-socialist group in my wiew. I dont think he would vote for anybody invading and bombing other countries.
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I do not think Christ would be Republican , the Republicans are anti poor Christ was a Champion of the poor and sick
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agree that he would not be republican, but I would not say they are anti-poor people, they are just pro-rich people LOL.

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:slight_smile:

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[quote]storey420 wrote:
Jesus also didn’t think tax collectors were humanity’s best either right? So that rules out the Dems too, leaving us with only one logical conclusion that he would be an independent or a green, probably green because he is also a sandal wearing hippie[/quote]

Believe me the Republicans will throw you in Jail just as quick or quicker for not paying your tax. I am not sure which party has sponsored the most tax amnesty ?

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[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
If Jesus came back today, I’m pretty sure some nut job Christian would shoot him for blasphemy.[/quote]

If Jesus were to be born today, I’m sure some of Mary’s liberal friends would try to talk her into getting an abortion. [/quote]

Both are probably very true.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Sources please.

Because I seem to remember quite clearly that he warned the Israelites repeteadly when they developed the idea that they simply must have a king.

I remember that he quite a lot to say about kings, and none were to positive.

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No doubt, that’s part of the problem with the Israelites in the Bible. They had a King! But they wanted a king to take them to war (crazy idea, but whatever).

And, sources: Daniel 2:21. And, of course there is the infamous Romans 13:1-6 (I know not OT, but Paul is talking about G-d, but Paul says there is ‘no power’ which would sound like a universal statement.

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[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
If he lived to today, I dont think he would be a democrat or a republican. He fits the pacifist-anarchist-socialist group in my wiew. I dont think he would vote for anybody invading and bombing other countries.
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I do not think Christ would be Republican , the Republicans are anti poor Christ was a Champion of the poor and sick
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agree that he would not be republican, but I would not say they are anti-poor people, they are just pro-rich people LOL.

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Eh, I think it came out a few years ago that statistically Republicans pull a few scores more basis points out of the old wallet than Democrats.

I’m neither, I give a straight 1000 basis points out of each paycheck.

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[quote]storey420 wrote:
Jesus also didn’t think tax collectors were humanity’s best either right? So that rules out the Dems too, leaving us with only one logical conclusion that he would be an independent or a green, probably green because he is also a sandal wearing hippie[/quote]

Yes, because they had three-piece suits and leather shoes back in the day. Jesus was poor, what do you think the man would have worn?

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[quote]Kanada wrote:
Wasn’t Jesus and God all about choice? Like, we have a right to abort babies, it is just an abdication of our duty to the life. I mean, it seems obvious that the health of the baby supercedes the mother, however the mother has the right to choose to end it since she carries the thing.[/quote]

Weed must be really good up in Canada, eh?

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[quote]Kanada wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]koffea wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Jesus didn’t do it on someone else’s dime.[/quote]

i cant believe this thread continued past this post.

jesus never advocated stealing from the rich to give to the poor. this is essentially what democrats advocate.
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So this is the Republicans justification of un Christ like policies , because they are protecting the wealthy from the poor ?

I think taxes were mentioned in the Bible "Give unto Ceasar what is Ceasar’s "[/quote]

Shithead, jesus told the rich son, who asked jesus what was required for a wealthy man to accend to heaven. Jesus told him to give away all he owned.[/quote]

Yeah…it’s called following G-d’s will. Some people are called to the priesthood, some people are called to own businesses.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Also, you do not get the story of the needle and the camel.

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I don’t get it either. Can you explain it for me? Please. [/quote]

Well, if we assume that eye of the needle is actually a correct translation, the eye of the needle was a small city door in Jerusalem.

If you were a wealthy merchant and came to Jerusalem too late, you could no longer go through the main gates but have to use one of the smaller ones, one being the eye of the needle.

Now your camel could not pass through it with all your merchandise on it, so you had to unload it, get your camel through the door and then pack it again, at the risk of losing some or all of your merchandise.

Not impossible, just takes some planning.

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Thanks. Sorry, but I’m not sure I understand the implications of what you’re saying. Are you’re saying that Jesus was teaching that the rich man should plan more in order to get into heaven? [/quote]

Who am I to interpret what Jesus was saying?

Personally I think that he was saying that clinging to your possessions can get in your way and not only if you trying to get into Jerusalem.

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Wow, I had thought it meant something quite similar to that. But you were telling Pitbull that he didn’t understand it, I guess I didn’t see anything that he had written that was far off from your interpretation. Were you just being argumentative?

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]florelius wrote:
If he lived to today, I dont think he would be a democrat or a republican. He fits the pacifist-anarchist-socialist group in my wiew. I dont think he would vote for anybody invading and bombing other countries.
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I do not think Christ would be Republican , the Republicans are anti poor Christ was a Champion of the poor and sick
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agree that he would not be republican, but I would not say they are anti-poor people, they are just pro-rich people LOL.

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Eh, I think it came out a few years ago that statistically Republicans pull a few scores more basis points out of the old wallet than Democrats.

I’m neither, I give a straight 1000 basis points out of each paycheck.[/quote]

What do you mean Basis Points?

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[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Gambit_Lost wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

Also, you do not get the story of the needle and the camel.

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I don’t get it either. Can you explain it for me? Please. [/quote]

Well, if we assume that eye of the needle is actually a correct translation, the eye of the needle was a small city door in Jerusalem.

If you were a wealthy merchant and came to Jerusalem too late, you could no longer go through the main gates but have to use one of the smaller ones, one being the eye of the needle.

Now your camel could not pass through it with all your merchandise on it, so you had to unload it, get your camel through the door and then pack it again, at the risk of losing some or all of your merchandise.

Not impossible, just takes some planning.

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Thanks. Sorry, but I’m not sure I understand the implications of what you’re saying. Are you’re saying that Jesus was teaching that the rich man should plan more in order to get into heaven? [/quote]

Who am I to interpret what Jesus was saying?

Personally I think that he was saying that clinging to your possessions can get in your way and not only if you trying to get into Jerusalem.

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Wow, I had thought it meant something quite similar to that. But you were telling Pitbull that he didn’t understand it, I guess I didn’t see anything that he had written that was far off from your interpretation. Were you just being argumentative?

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I am sorry did I not understand a point ?

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[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
If Jesus came back today, I’m pretty sure some nut job Christian would shoot him for blasphemy.[/quote]

If Jesus were to be born today, I’m sure some of Mary’s liberal friends would try to talk her into getting an abortion. [/quote]

That could have happened back than as well:

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]Oleena wrote:
Actually, now that i think about if, if Jesus existed nowdays he’d most definitely be classified as a schitzophrenic hippy anarchist. [/quote]

Again, really. The King of kings, the guy that condemned people, the guy who used a bull-whip, the judge, would be a schizophrenic hippie anarchist? If you knew anything about biblical types, you’d know Jesus would have a Davidic kingdom.[/quote]

I’m saying that’s how he’d be perceived. I thought that’s what this thread was about? Not so much what he was actually saying, but how we’d classify him with our current pigeon holes?

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[quote]koffea wrote:
<<< Satan wanted to take away free will >>>[/quote]Actually it was Satan that introduced them to what we now call free will.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]koffea wrote:
<<< Satan wanted to take away free will >>>[/quote]Actually it was Satan that introduced them to what we now call free will.
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It’s hilarious that you’d have to point this out.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:

[quote]dk44 wrote:

[quote]Makavali wrote:
If Jesus came back today, I’m pretty sure some nut job Christian would shoot him for blasphemy.[/quote]

If Jesus were to be born today, I’m sure some of Mary’s liberal friends would try to talk her into getting an abortion. [/quote]

That could have happened back than as well:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion[/quote]

Thanks for pointing out that idiots having been killing their children since the dawn of time, not sure what your point is.

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[quote]Oleena wrote:
I’m saying that’s how he’d be perceived. I thought that’s what this thread was about? Not so much what he was actually saying, but how we’d classify him with our current pigeon holes?[/quote]

Well if that is what we’re discussing here. Since Jesus is The Priest (speaking if Jesus was here as he was here in 1st century), so I’m sure he’d be doing that if he was here. And, from what he and Paul say, I wouldn’t really be rolling the dice to say that the sensitive folks would request that Jesus and Paul take a ‘vacation’ to be sent to sensitivity training. Some people are just to dumb to listen.

Jesus was all about the hope and mercy, but he wasn’t scared to condemn when it was time to condemn, and flip a few tables while he was at it. He always came with the hop and mercy first, but he definitely didn’t hesitate on the latter.

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[quote]Brother Chris wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:
Sources please.

Because I seem to remember quite clearly that he warned the Israelites repeteadly when they developed the idea that they simply must have a king.

I remember that he quite a lot to say about kings, and none were to positive.

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No doubt, that’s part of the problem with the Israelites in the Bible. They had a King! But they wanted a king to take them to war (crazy idea, but whatever).

And, sources: Daniel 2:21. And, of course there is the infamous Romans 13:1-6 (I know not OT, but Paul is talking about G-d, but Paul says there is ‘no power’ which would sound like a universal statement.[/quote]

Well, he removeth and setteth dung beetles too, but that is not exactly a ringing endorsement.

Also, I like how whenever people look for the most preposterous claims in the bible they invariably fall back on Paul.

Not Jesus, not God, Paul.