[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
If you guys are going to muck up my thread with football, at least has the curtesy to pay some proper respect to the current Superbowl Champion Seattle Seahawks. [/quote]
You should know DB and I have a hard time keeping football out of every conversation.
You lucky bastard.
Thatās better.
I think I should be working with NASA on this project.
My qualifications:
Have read two Stephen Hawking books
Dropped some LSD back in the 90ās.
515lb deadlift
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
I think I should be working with NASA on this project.
My qualifications:
Have read two Stephen Hawking books
Dropped some LSD back in the 90ās.
515lb deadlift[/quote]
Can you live until youāre 467? Because thatās about the time when this will become remotely feasible.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
I think I should be working with NASA on this project.
My qualifications:
Have read two Stephen Hawking books
Dropped some LSD back in the 90ās.
515lb deadlift[/quote]
Can you live until youāre 467? Because thatās about the time when this will become remotely feasible.[/quote]
Iām quite certain that our present technology is sufficiently advanced to speculate about future technology.
Big ideas sometimes take multi-generational commitment.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Big ideas sometimes take multi-generational commitment. [/quote]
Case in point:
http://www.thewhiskybarrel.com/blog/post/glenlivet-70-year-old-generations-release-2
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Big ideas sometimes take multi-generational commitment. [/quote]
Case in point:
http://www.thewhiskybarrel.com/blog/post/glenlivet-70-year-old-generations-release-2
[/quote]
Exactly
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Big ideas sometimes take multi-generational commitment. [/quote]
I guess that I just canāt get behind the cut-and-run philosophy behind massive human migration to another planet.
I mean, is the Earth so totally fucked beyond repair that we need to start looking into moving to other planets?
I donāt think itās even remotely there, yet. Itās my contention that humans are responsible for most of the damage done to the planet, and if it is that damage that necessitates a massive migration, why canāt we just learn to take care of this planet better? Would you give a brand-new toy to your kid to replace the one that he smashed to pieces on the kitchen floor in a fit of hysterics over the Ninersā loss in the NFC Championship Game? Of course not. He doesnāt deserve the privilege.
Do we deserve the privilege of another planet on which to live? If the damage weāve done to this planet, or will inevitably continue to do, is so great that we simply cannot live here anymore, why the fuck should we let a destructive species like that go on living? If we are so fucked that we literally ruin what is the greatest gift ever given to us, then whatās the point of prolonging our existence?
That shit reminds me of the mineshaft shit from Dr. Strangelove. We cannot allow a warpspeed gap!
You know what we do to animals that completely destroy their environment? You know, like rats and wild boars? We fucking kill every. single. one. of those fuckers.
Itās like giving a habitual drunk driver the keys to a 2014 Z06 and telling him to have at it on the Autobahn.
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Big ideas sometimes take multi-generational commitment. [/quote]
Case in point:
http://www.thewhiskybarrel.com/blog/post/glenlivet-70-year-old-generations-release-2
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Yeah. And hereās my case in point.
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Big ideas sometimes take multi-generational commitment. [/quote]
Case in point:
http://www.thewhiskybarrel.com/blog/post/glenlivet-70-year-old-generations-release-2
[/quote]
Exactly[/quote]
From the link:
We waited 70 years to bottle some shit that smelled like candle wax and old leather boots. Totally worth it.
[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
[quote]twojarslave wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Big ideas sometimes take multi-generational commitment. [/quote]
Case in point:
http://www.thewhiskybarrel.com/blog/post/glenlivet-70-year-old-generations-release-2
[/quote]
Exactly[/quote]
From the link:
We waited 70 years to bottle some shit that smelled like candle wax and old leather boots. Totally worth it. [/quote]
Yeah, but I betcha its really SMOOTH!
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Big ideas sometimes take multi-generational commitment. [/quote]
I guess that I just canāt get behind the cut-and-run philosophy behind massive human migration to another planet.
I mean, is the Earth so totally fucked beyond repair that we need to start looking into moving to other planets?
I donāt think itās even remotely there, yet. Itās my contention that humans are responsible for most of the damage done to the planet, and if it is that damage that necessitates a massive migration, why canāt we just learn to take care of this planet better? Would you give a brand-new toy to your kid to replace the one that he smashed to pieces on the kitchen floor in a fit of hysterics over the Ninersā loss in the NFC Championship Game? Of course not. He doesnāt deserve the privilege.
Do we deserve the privilege of another planet on which to live? If the damage weāve done to this planet, or will inevitably continue to do, is so great that we simply cannot live here anymore, why the fuck should we let a destructive species like that go on living? If we are so fucked that we literally ruin what is the greatest gift ever given to us, then whatās the point of prolonging our existence?
That shit reminds me of the mineshaft shit from Dr. Strangelove. We cannot allow a warpspeed gap!
You know what we do to animals that completely destroy their environment? You know, like rats and wild boars? We fucking kill every. single. one. of those fuckers.[/quote]
I think this just gets back to how some people have an inner drive to explore. If we did not then we would all be living in Africa.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
Big ideas sometimes take multi-generational commitment. [/quote]
I mean, is the Earth so totally fucked beyond repair that we need to start looking into moving to other planets?
I donāt think itās even remotely there, yet.[/quote]
In short, yes. We are fucked if we stay on this rock. How much time do we have left? Nobody knows. An asteroid could slam into us later this afternoon and end our ride in an instant. Yellowstone could erupt. We could get caught in a gamma ray burst. Hipsters may start to breed. We just donāt know.
We are in a better position to ponder solutions to this problem than any point in history. That statement will still be true tomorrow and the day after that and so on. No better time to start than now.
Good stuff all around. Had the feel of sitting in a bar listening to the old dudes ponder life out loud.
We are fucked, but not dead planet fucked. We are right in line for a major downsizing, like black plague level down size our ass right into place. With any luck the knowledge wonāt be lost as it was when Rome fell.
[quote]DBCooper wrote:
I donāt think itās even remotely there, yet. Itās my contention that humans are responsible for most of the damage done to the planet, and if it is that damage that necessitates a massive migration, why canāt we just learn to take care of this planet better? Would you give a brand-new toy to your kid to replace the one that he smashed to pieces on the kitchen floor in a fit of hysterics over the Ninersā loss in the NFC Championship Game? Of course not. He doesnāt deserve the privilege.
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Humans are not a parent/child relationship. If I break something I like for whatever reason I will go out and get a replacement.
Hereās another interesting way we can colonize the stars and live forever that is quite feasible today.
Send small drones out towards thousands and thousands of star systems. On these drones will be our DNA sequence, coded in a way that an intelligent lifeforms will be able to deduce and then clone us.
Going to another planet is the most important thing our human race could ever hope to achieve.
Even just dreaming about it is nobler and more productive than >99% of what usually occurs during terrastrian days.
Claiming space as our playground, our property, our shit is what can and will redefine us.
First of all, fertilizer, guns and husbandry have had a much slower impact than Smartphones. The rectangular fuckers already made commuting over 9000 times more annyoing.
Plus, you need to see the bigger picture. There will be a functioning man machine interface in 50-100 years and we are now ~1/16th [boring Google] cyborgs.
[quote]I guess that I just canāt get behind the cut-and-run philosophy behind massive human migration to another planet.
I mean, is the Earth so totally fucked beyond repair that we need to start looking into moving to other planets?[/quote]
For starters, most of Earth is uninhabitable or unusable anway. Most of it consists of oceans, deserts, iceplains and mountains.
If we take american household consumption standards for everyone, even the most conservative models comes up with multiple Earths weād need [b]right now [/b].
And weāre talking only rescouces, not the massive pollution weāre doing to this incredibly filligrane strip of gas and organic soil.
Most of the damage we do (drilling for oil, metals, gas; nuclear waste; fucking up our atmosphere; raping the ecosystems etcetc) is for all practical purposes permanent.
But even if we all vote green tomorrow and smoke the good oregano peace-pipe - all we need is a meteor, another religious wave, some systemic crash, or ā¦just a few more decades of good olā fornication.
With a two-digit billion world population, you can expect big wars coming in like clockwork thatāll make the 20th Century look like a āthe Teletubbies hang out at Woodstockā special.
And even if we vote all green, smoke the peace-pipe, build the best damn orbital anti-meteor laser batteries this side of Orionās Belt, ban the ridiculously idiotic religions, have Einsteinās Brain rule us AND stabilize population -also reduce it beforehand- ā¦ even then our time is short.
Just a few more centuries and genetic selection + drift alone will make us dumber and less ambitious.
I mean, maybe you have a vision of a meticulously balanced population of communist cyborg hunter-philosophers, who initiate wars and eugenic programs when their calculations tell them to?
Warpspace travel sounds more realistic to me.
And there doesnāt has to be a āmassive human migrationā, maybe just a few waves of a thousand colonists.
Plus, most [read:all known] rocky planets are just wastelands. Most of them are very unpleasant in terms of gravity, radiation, breathable air supply and so on. What the worst that can happen?
āOh no, weāve accidentally sent the Aids in a petri dish to Mars- the gay astronaut community will be furious!ā
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Going to another planet is the most important thing our human race could ever hope to achieve.
Even just dreaming about it is nobler and more productive than >99% of what usually occurs during terrastrian days.
Claiming space as our playground, our property, our shit is what can and will redefine us.
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100% this. Warp speed may create a stack of unintended/unforeseen problems, but the problems warp speed solves and the possibilities it opens is mind boggling.