[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Nope, I if I run the stop sign I have broken the law. However the difference between me and drug users is I don’t turn immediately around and bitch and moan because its not fair. I know I was violating the law and if I get caught so be it. I deal with my punishment and accept it. I am not telling yall to not smoke, just stop complaining when you get caught and acting like potheads in prison are victims. They made a choice to do something illegal and are getting punished for it. It is that simple.
And you are so miserably wrong about the using a screen name bit is laughable. I am not really sure where you pulled it being illegal to use a screen name from but it doesn’t exist. [/quote]
If you haven’t harmed anybody but are thrown in jail, are you not a victim? If you aren’t, then surely the rest of society is a victim of nonsensical laws.
(as far as the above link goes, I can’t vouch for the validity of what it says, but I would assume at least the majority of it is true)[/quote]
Cant open it. Work filters.
No you aren’t a victim. If you know the consequences for your action, and it is an action that is totally unnecessary to your function as a human being, and yet you elect to do it anyway then you are not a victim because you actually have to deal with the consequences.
[quote]Karado wrote:
Brother Chris typed: “…I’m not sure what religion cocaine is used in?”
Oh why SURE you do, Pope Leo XXXIII endorsed and gave the Vatican Gold Medal to a Wine
that had Cocaine in it…“Vin Mariani”.
Must have made one feel…Heavenly.
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Not only do you suck at reading comprehension, you suck at chemistry.
Coca leaves =/= cocaine. And, cocaine is not a sacrament of Catholicism, where wine is a sacrament though.
I wouldn’t expect you to know that though, because even though you seem to be aware of minutia of the Catholic faith, you lack all understanding about every facet of the faith you hate so much.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Cant open it. Work filters.
No you aren’t a victim. If you know the consequences for your action, and it is an action that is totally unnecessary to your function as a human being, and yet you elect to do it anyway then you are not a victim because you actually have to deal with the consequences.
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So nobody can be victimized by a government? I doubt any government has ever made anything that is or was totally necessary for the survival of its most loyal followers a crime.
I agree that you actually have to deal with the consequences of your actions(invest in a bad business-lose money, jump off a building-die when you hit the ground, etc.), but do not think that government should create those consequences.
That was honestly the stupidest thing I have ever seen. As someone who has friends and family in law enforcement as well as someone who has been arrested, I can honestly say that if you “resist” the cop should beat the shit out of you until you stop fighting. If he tells you to lie on your stomach and lie on your stomach. Get arrested and sort it out later. Even if you didn’t do anything, getting arrested is not that big of a deal. There job is to dangerous to deal with your stupid shit so just suck it up and be a man and not a punk. Every one I know that talks about how bad the police treated them usually was acting a fool. Common pattern there that you would think people would figure out. When cops react passively this is what happens.
When citizens react passively, this is what happens:
Nobody has a right to anyone else’s life, liberty, or property. Neither a group called government nor another individual should be able to take your rights. The government has to obey laws, too. Any police officer(or other government official) who believes otherwise is wrong.
As far as the video you posted goes, I have seen it many times. Luckily that officer’s mistake only cost him his life and not a fellow officer’s. I hate to say something like that, but it appears that officer had no business in that line of work, and at least he didn’t get somebody else killed. He had many chances to prevent that from occurring, but did nothing instead.
As for, “be a man and not a punk,” in regards to an illegal arrest, I have to assume you didn’t think that through before typing it. It makes no sense otherwise.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Cant open it. Work filters.
No you aren’t a victim. If you know the consequences for your action, and it is an action that is totally unnecessary to your function as a human being, and yet you elect to do it anyway then you are not a victim because you actually have to deal with the consequences.
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So nobody can be victimized by a government? I doubt any government has ever made anything that is or was totally necessary for the survival of its most loyal followers a crime.
I agree that you actually have to deal with the consequences of your actions(invest in a bad business-lose money, jump off a building-die when you hit the ground, etc.), but do not think that government should create those consequences.[/quote]
Nick this is where I went with my Blacks have not always had the right to vote and Gays have not always had the right to marry post .
So by your own admission there are consequences to exercising some of your natural rights .
And at JBpick . The cops have a dog in this fight and it is not the same dog that would best suit the public. If they ended the war on drugs we would have %70 less cops and prisons would need not be built in Centuries
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Cant open it. Work filters.
No you aren’t a victim. If you know the consequences for your action, and it is an action that is totally unnecessary to your function as a human being, and yet you elect to do it anyway then you are not a victim because you actually have to deal with the consequences.
[/quote]
So nobody can be victimized by a government? I doubt any government has ever made anything that is or was totally necessary for the survival of its most loyal followers a crime.
I agree that you actually have to deal with the consequences of your actions(invest in a bad business-lose money, jump off a building-die when you hit the ground, etc.), but do not think that government should create those consequences.[/quote]
Yes I personally think drugs should be illegal. And I never said that people cant be the victim of “a” government. I do think that people that are the victims of the US government are not the people sitting in jail because the couldn’t “just say no”. Those are not victims. They committed a crime, they are criminals. And yes the government should create consequences for the breaking of laws, otherwise what would be the deterrent. If someone shoots me I want them to go to prison. If someone sells my kid drugs, I want them to got to prison. Possession of small amounts of drugs should be ticketed and punished, not with prison time, on the first and maybe second offence. The punishment for each progressive offense should escalate quickly.
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
So by your own admission there are consequences to exercising some of your natural rights .
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Absolutely. I have never stated otherwise. I just said that government can’t create or take away rights. I believe I even said that government doesn’t necessarily recognize rights.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Cant open it. Work filters.
No you aren’t a victim. If you know the consequences for your action, and it is an action that is totally unnecessary to your function as a human being, and yet you elect to do it anyway then you are not a victim because you actually have to deal with the consequences.
[/quote]
So nobody can be victimized by a government? I doubt any government has ever made anything that is or was totally necessary for the survival of its most loyal followers a crime.
I agree that you actually have to deal with the consequences of your actions(invest in a bad business-lose money, jump off a building-die when you hit the ground, etc.), but do not think that government should create those consequences.[/quote]
Yes I personally think drugs should be illegal. And I never said that people cant be the victim of “a” government. I do think that people that are the victims of the US government are not the people sitting in jail because the couldn’t “just say no”. Those are not victims. They committed a crime, they are criminals. And yes the government should create consequences for the breaking of laws, otherwise what would be the deterrent. If someone shoots me I want them to go to prison. If someone sells my kid drugs, I want them to got to prison. Possession of small amounts of drugs should be ticketed and punished, not with prison time, on the first and maybe second offence. The punishment for each progressive offense should escalate quickly.[/quote]
The war on drugs is 10x more destructive than the drugs them selves
That was honestly the stupidest thing I have ever seen. As someone who has friends and family in law enforcement as well as someone who has been arrested, I can honestly say that if you “resist” the cop should beat the shit out of you until you stop fighting. If he tells you to lie on your stomach and lie on your stomach. Get arrested and sort it out later. Even if you didn’t do anything, getting arrested is not that big of a deal. There job is to dangerous to deal with your stupid shit so just suck it up and be a man and not a punk. Every one I know that talks about how bad the police treated them usually was acting a fool. Common pattern there that you would think people would figure out. When cops react passively this is what happens.
When citizens react passively, this is what happens:
Nobody has a right to anyone else’s life, liberty, or property. Neither a group called government nor another individual should be able to take your rights. The government has to obey laws, too. Any police officer(or other government official) who believes otherwise is wrong.
As far as the video you posted goes, I have seen it many times. Luckily that officer’s mistake only cost him his life and not a fellow officer’s. I hate to say something like that, but it appears that officer had no business in that line of work, and at least he didn’t get somebody else killed. He had many chances to prevent that from occurring, but did nothing instead.
As for, “be a man and not a punk,” in regards to an illegal arrest, I have to assume you didn’t think that through before typing it. It makes no sense otherwise.
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If you really believe that America is comparable to Nazi Germany then you need to leave the country. I put no stock in any argument that uses things irrelevant to the discussion. Do you have any evidence police behavior in the US in the last 20 years that would justify the shooting of a cop?
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Cant open it. Work filters.
No you aren’t a victim. If you know the consequences for your action, and it is an action that is totally unnecessary to your function as a human being, and yet you elect to do it anyway then you are not a victim because you actually have to deal with the consequences.
[/quote]
So nobody can be victimized by a government? I doubt any government has ever made anything that is or was totally necessary for the survival of its most loyal followers a crime.
I agree that you actually have to deal with the consequences of your actions(invest in a bad business-lose money, jump off a building-die when you hit the ground, etc.), but do not think that government should create those consequences.[/quote]
Yes I personally think drugs should be illegal. And I never said that people cant be the victim of “a” government. I do think that people that are the victims of the US government are not the people sitting in jail because the couldn’t “just say no”. Those are not victims. They committed a crime, they are criminals. And yes the government should create consequences for the breaking of laws, otherwise what would be the deterrent. If someone shoots me I want them to go to prison. If someone sells my kid drugs, I want them to got to prison. Possession of small amounts of drugs should be ticketed and punished, not with prison time, on the first and maybe second offence. The punishment for each progressive offense should escalate quickly.[/quote]
The war on drugs is 10x more destructive than the drugs them selves
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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Yes I personally think drugs should be illegal. And I never said that people cant be the victim of “a” government. I do think that people that are the victims of the US government are not the people sitting in jail because the couldn’t “just say no”. Those are not victims. They committed a crime, they are criminals. And yes the government should create consequences for the breaking of laws, otherwise what would be the deterrent. If someone shoots me I want them to go to prison. If someone sells my kid drugs, I want them to got to prison. Possession of small amounts of drugs should be ticketed and punished, not with prison time, on the first and maybe second offence. The punishment for each progressive offense should escalate quickly.[/quote]
Who are the victims of the U.S. government?
If sugar or protein powder is declared a drug, will you still believe those in possession need to be punished?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
So by your own admission there are consequences to exercising some of your natural rights .
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Absolutely. I have never stated otherwise. I just said that government can’t create or take away rights. I believe I even said that government doesn’t necessarily recognize rights.[/quote]
In all honesty My opinion is Natural Rights is a pie in the sky , a pipe dream and the list goes on . You have the right to kill if you like but you will face a consequence , that is unless no one knows
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Yes I personally think drugs should be illegal. And I never said that people cant be the victim of “a” government. I do think that people that are the victims of the US government are not the people sitting in jail because the couldn’t “just say no”. Those are not victims. They committed a crime, they are criminals. And yes the government should create consequences for the breaking of laws, otherwise what would be the deterrent. If someone shoots me I want them to go to prison. If someone sells my kid drugs, I want them to got to prison. Possession of small amounts of drugs should be ticketed and punished, not with prison time, on the first and maybe second offence. The punishment for each progressive offense should escalate quickly.[/quote]
Who are the victims of the U.S. government?
If sugar or protein powder is declared a drug, will you still believe those in possession need to be punished?[/quote]
That was honestly the stupidest thing I have ever seen. As someone who has friends and family in law enforcement as well as someone who has been arrested, I can honestly say that if you “resist” the cop should beat the shit out of you until you stop fighting. If he tells you to lie on your stomach and lie on your stomach. Get arrested and sort it out later. Even if you didn’t do anything, getting arrested is not that big of a deal. There job is to dangerous to deal with your stupid shit so just suck it up and be a man and not a punk. Every one I know that talks about how bad the police treated them usually was acting a fool. Common pattern there that you would think people would figure out. When cops react passively this is what happens.
When citizens react passively, this is what happens:
Nobody has a right to anyone else’s life, liberty, or property. Neither a group called government nor another individual should be able to take your rights. The government has to obey laws, too. Any police officer(or other government official) who believes otherwise is wrong.
As far as the video you posted goes, I have seen it many times. Luckily that officer’s mistake only cost him his life and not a fellow officer’s. I hate to say something like that, but it appears that officer had no business in that line of work, and at least he didn’t get somebody else killed. He had many chances to prevent that from occurring, but did nothing instead.
As for, “be a man and not a punk,” in regards to an illegal arrest, I have to assume you didn’t think that through before typing it. It makes no sense otherwise.
[/quote]
If you really believe that America is comparable to Nazi Germany then you need to leave the country. I put no stock in any argument that uses things irrelevant to the discussion. Do you have any evidence police behavior in the US in the last 20 years that would justify the shooting of a cop?[/quote]
I do , one experience I had in Missouri was a shake down by cops 5 or six years ago. It got heated because I would not let them search my car . I had no drugs . I gave them no suspicion. they told me a lot of people coming from the west are doing so just to transport, drugs , that was their reason
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Yes I personally think drugs should be illegal. And I never said that people cant be the victim of “a” government. I do think that people that are the victims of the US government are not the people sitting in jail because the couldn’t “just say no”. Those are not victims. They committed a crime, they are criminals. And yes the government should create consequences for the breaking of laws, otherwise what would be the deterrent. If someone shoots me I want them to go to prison. If someone sells my kid drugs, I want them to got to prison. Possession of small amounts of drugs should be ticketed and punished, not with prison time, on the first and maybe second offence. The punishment for each progressive offense should escalate quickly.[/quote]
Who are the victims of the U.S. government?
If sugar or protein powder is declared a drug, will you still believe those in possession need to be punished?[/quote]
But they aren’t. Not an answer to my question. [/quote]
Sugar is by far more destructive than pot . IMO sugar is a drug
Are people really acting like there’s some easy solution to the war on drugs? The minimum sentences were put in place for a reason, that reason may have backfired but it was an attempt to fix it. Letting everybody go is just another attempt in the opposite direction that won’t work.
Look at how differently everybody is looking at something as simple as a stop sign?
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
In all honesty My opinion is Natural Rights is a pie in the sky , a pipe dream and the list goes on . You have the right to kill if you like but you will face a consequence , that is unless no one knows
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Unless you’re talking about killing an animal, then you don’t have the right to kill except in defense. You have the ABILITY to kill, but not the right. Your rights end where others’ begin.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
Yes I personally think drugs should be illegal. And I never said that people cant be the victim of “a” government. I do think that people that are the victims of the US government are not the people sitting in jail because the couldn’t “just say no”. Those are not victims. They committed a crime, they are criminals. And yes the government should create consequences for the breaking of laws, otherwise what would be the deterrent. If someone shoots me I want them to go to prison. If someone sells my kid drugs, I want them to got to prison. Possession of small amounts of drugs should be ticketed and punished, not with prison time, on the first and maybe second offence. The punishment for each progressive offense should escalate quickly.[/quote]
Who are the victims of the U.S. government?
If sugar or protein powder is declared a drug, will you still believe those in possession need to be punished?[/quote]
But they aren’t. Not an answer to my question. [/quote]
You’re going to have to ask your question again, then. I do not see one in the paragraph I responded to.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
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If you really believe that America is comparable to Nazi Germany then you need to leave the country. I put no stock in any argument that uses things irrelevant to the discussion. Do you have any evidence police behavior in the US in the last 20 years that would justify the shooting of a cop?[/quote]
Best I can do right now. He did not have the right to shoot the officer in that situation, but he did have the right to resist the arrest(he was taken into custody-not free to leave). If he had done that, the officer may have responded in a manner which would then allow the man to shoot him.
