War on Drugs?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
All of which you can do legally. I know a man who regularly makes his own moonshine. And my grandpa had tobacco in his garden when I was a kid. None of this is illegal. However you cannot sell it.[/quote]

I could buy that :slight_smile:
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That is why I would just buy some seeds and grow a few plants. If I wanted to smoke some of it I would. If I had friends over and we just had a chill night where we all smoked its not like Iā€™m going to charge them either.

Marijuana has more medical uses then any other plant on earth. The more you know :).

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[quote]T11 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
All of which you can do legally. I know a man who regularly makes his own moonshine. And my grandpa had tobacco in his garden when I was a kid. None of this is illegal. However you cannot sell it.[/quote]

I could buy that :slight_smile:
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That is why I would just buy some seeds and grow a few plants. If I wanted to smoke some of it I would. If I had friends over and we just had a chill night where we all smoked its not like Iā€™m going to charge them either.

Marijuana has more medical uses then any other plant on earth. The more you know :). [/quote]

We agree but you have to be careful is it in apot or the earth . It is a big issue , via LAW

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Smoke weed all day long (I donā€™t smoke it, but think it being illegal is dumb as hell and very anti-freedom) as long as you arenā€™t hurting anyone else. Why does the government have to spend a shit ton of money trying to protect everyone from themselves?

Honestly just like what I said earlier it is strange logic. And many of these righties on this forum were up in arms over Bloombergā€™s pop crusade. Why? Itā€™s clearly people thinking govā€™t knows best. Why else make pot illegal?

I say let people be free until they fuck someone else up. Then we can do whatever to them. Drink, smoke, gamble, eat McDonaldā€™s ten times a day, watch porn, etc. You should be free to do all this shit as long as it isnā€™t directly harming someone else. Itā€™s essential that people are able to make decisions for themselves even if we can agree that these are bad decisions for the individual. [/quote]

Exactly. This makes the right look stupid. I say the same thing every time I hear a ā€œconservativeā€(in quotes because I have no idea what the terms liberal and conservative are supposed to mean other than democrat and republican) get outraged over a soda ban or something. The precedent exists for such a ridiculous banā€¦and ā€œconservativesā€ support it.[/quote]

Quite literally All of the conservatives that I know are for removing any and all restrictions on pot based on the fact that it shouldnā€™t be illegal in he first place.

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Thye can never be wrong :slight_smile:

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Quite literally All of the conservatives that I know are for removing any and all restrictions on pot based on the fact that it shouldnā€™t be illegal in he first place.
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Iā€™m jealous. Few of the ā€œconservativesā€ I know believe marijuana should be legal, and I hate to admit I vote with them most of the time. Of course, since I put ā€œconservativesā€ in quotations, and you didnā€™t, we may just be talking about different groups of people. Iā€™m talking about republicans in general, including those who believe they are true conservatives because they agree with Sean Hannity. If youā€™re talking about actual conservatives, then Iā€™m sorry for the confusion.

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Quite literally All of the conservatives that I know are for removing any and all restrictions on pot based on the fact that it shouldnā€™t be illegal in he first place.
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Iā€™m jealous. Few of the ā€œconservativesā€ I know believe marijuana should be legal, and I hate to admit I vote with them most of the time.
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HMMMMMMM?

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Quite literally All of the conservatives that I know are for removing any and all restrictions on pot based on the fact that it shouldnā€™t be illegal in he first place.
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Iā€™m jealous. Few of the ā€œconservativesā€ I know believe marijuana should be legal, and I hate to admit I vote with them most of the time.
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HMMMMMMM?
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It depends on the person like anything else. I feel like to many people try to label others into groups. Iā€™m pro-gun so does that make me conservative, no. Iā€™m pro-choice so does that make me a liberal, nope. I have a mixed view on issues like I believe many others do. Basing pro-legalization on conservatives and a liberal battle is dumb. I think it is almost a common sense thing. Holland legalized marijuana and hard drug use saw a vast decline. Coincidence? I think not.

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[quote]T11 wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Quite literally All of the conservatives that I know are for removing any and all restrictions on pot based on the fact that it shouldnā€™t be illegal in he first place.
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Iā€™m jealous. Few of the ā€œconservativesā€ I know believe marijuana should be legal, and I hate to admit I vote with them most of the time.
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HMMMMMMM?
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It depends on the person like anything else. I feel like to many people try to label others into groups. Iā€™m pro-gun so does that make me conservative, no. Iā€™m pro-choice so does that make me a liberal, nope. I have a mixed view on issues like I believe many others do. Basing pro-legalization on conservatives and a liberal battle is dumb. I think it is almost a common sense thing. Holland legalized marijuana and hard drug use saw a vast decline. Coincidence? I think not.
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I am pro guns and vote that way , I am pr pot and vote that way , I am pr freedom and vote that way .

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Eric Holderā€™s Reforms to Minimum Drug Sentencing Donā€™t Address Structural Racism

BOD of LEAP gives his opinion on Justice Dept. new thinking on the drug laws.

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10581&updaterx=2013-08-17+02%3A40%3A32

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[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Quite literally All of the conservatives that I know are for removing any and all restrictions on pot based on the fact that it shouldnā€™t be illegal in he first place.
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Iā€™m jealous. Few of the ā€œconservativesā€ I know believe marijuana should be legal, and I hate to admit I vote with them most of the time. Of course, since I put ā€œconservativesā€ in quotations, and you didnā€™t, we may just be talking about different groups of people. Iā€™m talking about republicans in general, including those who believe they are true conservatives because they agree with Sean Hannity. If youā€™re talking about actual conservatives, then Iā€™m sorry for the confusion.[/quote]

Itā€™s a funny thing that I think Pitt has been getting at too. What is a conservative? What is a liberal? My sister is a cookie cutter ultra left liberal until about March of every year, then by April 15 sheā€™s ready to stage another Whiskey Rebellion. She usually calms back down by June, then back to hating the fuck out of anybody that makes more money than her.

Itā€™s hard to set a mold for two parties that fits 300 million people for every facet of their lives.

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[quote]Zeppelin795 wrote:
Eric Holderā€™s Reforms to Minimum Drug Sentencing Donā€™t Address Structural Racism

BOD of LEAP gives his opinion on Justice Dept. new thinking on the drug laws.

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10581&updaterx=2013-08-17+02%3A40%3A32[/quote]

Eric Holder is part of the problem :slight_smile:

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Quite literally All of the conservatives that I know are for removing any and all restrictions on pot based on the fact that it shouldnā€™t be illegal in he first place.
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Iā€™m jealous. Few of the ā€œconservativesā€ I know believe marijuana should be legal, and I hate to admit I vote with them most of the time. Of course, since I put ā€œconservativesā€ in quotations, and you didnā€™t, we may just be talking about different groups of people. Iā€™m talking about republicans in general, including those who believe they are true conservatives because they agree with Sean Hannity. If youā€™re talking about actual conservatives, then Iā€™m sorry for the confusion.[/quote]

Itā€™s a funny thing that I think Pitt has been getting at too. What is a conservative? What is a liberal? My sister is a cookie cutter ultra left liberal until about March of every year, then by April 15 sheā€™s ready to stage another Whiskey Rebellion. She usually calms back down by June, then back to hating the fuck out of anybody that makes more money than her.

Itā€™s hard to set a mold for two parties that fits 300 million people for every facet of their lives.
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Exactly why the two party system is completely flawed.

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[quote]T11 wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

[quote]NickViar wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Quite literally All of the conservatives that I know are for removing any and all restrictions on pot based on the fact that it shouldnā€™t be illegal in he first place.
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Iā€™m jealous. Few of the ā€œconservativesā€ I know believe marijuana should be legal, and I hate to admit I vote with them most of the time. Of course, since I put ā€œconservativesā€ in quotations, and you didnā€™t, we may just be talking about different groups of people. Iā€™m talking about republicans in general, including those who believe they are true conservatives because they agree with Sean Hannity. If youā€™re talking about actual conservatives, then Iā€™m sorry for the confusion.[/quote]

Itā€™s a funny thing that I think Pitt has been getting at too. What is a conservative? What is a liberal? My sister is a cookie cutter ultra left liberal until about March of every year, then by April 15 sheā€™s ready to stage another Whiskey Rebellion. She usually calms back down by June, then back to hating the fuck out of anybody that makes more money than her.

Itā€™s hard to set a mold for two parties that fits 300 million people for every facet of their lives.
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Exactly why the two party system is completely flawed.
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It is easy for the controlling powers to remain in power , two sides to the same coin , two cheeks to the same ass . Money controls everything . That is why George Bushā€™s and Barrack Obamaā€™s reigns are indistinguishable

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]T11 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]Testy1 wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]pittbulll wrote:

[quote]dmaddox wrote:

[quote]T11 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
It was only like my 3rd or 4th time to drink liquor. I just kept loading up this cup of Hawaiian punch with it drink half, more vodka, drink half more vodka, till it was almost pure vodka. I drank it so fast that it didnā€™t have time to hit me before I had way to much. I donā€™t really recall a lot about that night. To this day the smell of Hawaiian punch or vodka makes me want to hurl.[/quote]

So here is a question for you. Would you rather get in a car with someone who is high and just smoked pot or someone who is drunk? You canā€™t choose not to get in the car. [/quote]

I would drive.
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His point is that most drivers preform much better at operating a motor vehicle under the influence of pot than alcohol [/quote]

I know that, but my point is I would not like to be in a car being driven by either. If I am in the car I would be driving.[/quote]

But at least in the car driven by the stoner you are only going around the corner to 7-11 for munchies. The drunk is out cruising the back roads.
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I edited my previous post, but it did not take. I was going to offer a run to the drive through of my stoned friend for some munchies.
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-___- exactly and our government waste how much money on border control going after drug cartels when their most profitable drug is pot. We eliminate that and they will become less powerful. Not only that but studies show that America and Holland have similar percentage of pot users. The only difference is in one country its illegal and in the other it is legal. If a person wants to smoke it it is him/her choice it shouldnā€™t be the government. All we are doing is putting innocent people in jail, wasting money on this ā€œwar on drugsā€ and giving more power to drug dealers and cartels. To this point it is getting more of a common sense thing. When polls have shown 50% support the legalization of marijuana and only 3% of Congress does, now that is a problem.
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I am all for legalizing maryijuana, but there needs to be the same type of rules that alcohol has on it. You can smoke a bowl in your house, but if you go out driving (yes I saw the video) and you kill someone or have an accident it would be a DUI on your record and you would get the same type of punishment.

Are you for that?
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Of course and I would say the vast majority of legalize people would be. People should be allowed to do what they want to do as long as it doesnā€™t infringe upon others rights or cause others harm. Smoke weed all day long (I donā€™t smoke it, but think it being illegal is dumb as hell and very anti-freedom) as long as you arenā€™t hurting anyone else. Why does the government have to spend a shit ton of money trying to protect everyone from themselves?

Honestly just like what I said earlier it is strange logic. And many of these righties on this forum were up in arms over Bloombergā€™s pop crusade. Why? Itā€™s clearly people thinking govā€™t knows best. Why else make pot illegal? Pitt doesnā€™t know whatā€™s best for him let the government help him out. Fatties donā€™t know soda is bad so let the government help them out. Why is the soda an outrage and govā€™t overreach but this isnā€™t? And again (the most important thing) the war on drugs isnā€™t being won by anyone unless you count powerful cartels and tons of money towards prisons as examples of winning.

I say let people be free until they fuck someone else up. Then we can do whatever to them. Drink, smoke, gamble, eat McDonaldā€™s ten times a day, watch porn, etc. You should be free to do all this shit as long as it isnā€™t directly harming someone else. Itā€™s essential that people are able to make decisions for themselves even if we can agree that these are bad decisions for the individual. [/quote]

I agree with you.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]storey420 wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I have thought about it, You think that being born black in South Africa or the US, offending the whims of Kim Jong Un, Hitler, or any Russian leader is the equivalent of smoking what is now an illegal drug. You are only a victim by choice. That is not a victim. [/quote]

I have thought about it and the only valid part of your post is being born black (well depending on your view of homosexuality you could have that as a choice or being born that way) otherwise your comparison to the whims of Kim Jong is the same argument of being arrested for the whims of the ATF/US Govt. The fact that you can freely buy tobacco and alcohol (again it was illegal and then everyone said ā€œoh yeah massive fail this is stupidā€) and yet we still try to act like pot is somehow worse means that its illegality is based off the whims of men and not the common sense law of the universe. The victim aspect comes into play when you look at mandatory minimums, etc. victims of a stupid and failed system but no youā€™re right, you are choosing to smoke it so you are not a hapless victim.[/quote]

Exactly. Weird how some of these people were up in arms talking about the NSA. You choose to use a cell phone or computer therefore the government can spy on you because you made that choice. You arenā€™t a victim, you donā€™t have to use either.

Strange logic.
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My quote was in reference to your answer to the political prisoner comparison, so your example is the same again. Someone locked up because of something the NSA heard on a call that wouldnā€™t get you arrested in a different country. My main point was its illegality based off man made borders. Not sure what else youā€™re reading from that.