[quote]adarqui wrote:
reach ones goals of reverse hypertrophy.
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The word your looking for is atrophy.
[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
[quote]adarqui wrote:
reach ones goals of reverse hypertrophy.
[/quote]
The word your looking for is atrophy.[/quote]
No offense, and I can understand what you mean here, atrophy is defined as: A wasting or decrease in the size of an organ or tissue, as from death and reabsorption of cells, diminished proliferation of cells, pressure, lack of oxygen, malnutrition, decreased function, or hormonal changes.
However, what we are trying to do is take a more active role in the matter, and also keep it on a more positive note. This term “reverse hypertrophy” was first coined by elite strength coach Robert Emil, formerly of the USSR.
Atrophy is more of a passive, or “accidental” loss of tissue, while “reverse hypertrophy” is more of a positive wording, that allows us to take a more assertive role in resolving these issues.
As I said, I mean no offense by this and I fully understand the confusion, but I strongly believe this phrase “reverse hypertrophy” is a more accurate description of what we, and apparently several others ( I have so far recieved 4 messages from other members and users stating that they are very appreciative of this thread and have had similar thoughts and goals but have been afraid to express them due to the nature of most the information here) are after.
Good luck with your training and goals, and thank you for supporting us in ours.
[quote]honeybadger wrote:
[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
[quote]adarqui wrote:
reach ones goals of reverse hypertrophy.
[/quote]
The word your looking for is atrophy.[/quote]
No offense, and I can understand what you mean here, atrophy is defined as: A wasting or decrease in the size of an organ or tissue, as from death and reabsorption of cells, diminished proliferation of cells, pressure, lack of oxygen, malnutrition, decreased function, or hormonal changes.
However, what we are trying to do is take a more active role in the matter, and also keep it on a more positive note. This term “reverse hypertrophy” was first coined by elite strength coach Robert Emil, formerly of the USSR.
Atrophy is more of a passive, or “accidental” loss of tissue, while “reverse hypertrophy” is more of a positive wording, that allows us to take a more assertive role in resolving these issues.
As I said, I mean no offense by this and I fully understand the confusion, but I strongly believe this phrase “reverse hypertrophy” is a more accurate description of what we, and apparently several others ( I have so far recieved 4 messages from other members and users stating that they are very appreciative of this thread and have had similar thoughts and goals but have been afraid to express them due to the nature of most the information here) are after.
Good luck with your training and goals, and thank you for supporting us in ours.
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You’re arguing semantics. Atrophy and this “reverse hypertrophy” are both one and the same.
I get the vaque sense that adarqui and honeybadger are the same individual. None the less I hope you reach 130 soon. I remember as a high school athlete having to cut to 130 at five foot ten and maintaining that weight for four months. A horrible experience very much felt like an anorexic 14 year old girl during that time.
As for a resembling Frank Zane at 6 foot one 130. Thats a bit of a stretch mate.
[quote]joutmez wrote:
[quote]honeybadger wrote:
[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
[quote]adarqui wrote:
reach ones goals of reverse hypertrophy.
[/quote]
The word your looking for is atrophy.[/quote]
No offense, and I can understand what you mean here, atrophy is defined as: A wasting or decrease in the size of an organ or tissue, as from death and reabsorption of cells, diminished proliferation of cells, pressure, lack of oxygen, malnutrition, decreased function, or hormonal changes.
However, what we are trying to do is take a more active role in the matter, and also keep it on a more positive note. This term “reverse hypertrophy” was first coined by elite strength coach Robert Emil, formerly of the USSR.
Atrophy is more of a passive, or “accidental” loss of tissue, while “reverse hypertrophy” is more of a positive wording, that allows us to take a more assertive role in resolving these issues.
As I said, I mean no offense by this and I fully understand the confusion, but I strongly believe this phrase “reverse hypertrophy” is a more accurate description of what we, and apparently several others ( I have so far recieved 4 messages from other members and users stating that they are very appreciative of this thread and have had similar thoughts and goals but have been afraid to express them due to the nature of most the information here) are after.
Good luck with your training and goals, and thank you for supporting us in ours.
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You’re arguing semantics. Atrophy and this “reverse hypertrophy” are both one and the same.
I get the vaque sense that adarqui and honeybadger are the same individual. None the less I hope you reach 130 soon. I remember as a high school athlete having to cut to 130 at five foot ten and maintaining that weight for four months. A horrible experience very much felt like an anorexic 14 year old girl during that time.
As for a resembling Frank Zane at 6 foot one 130. Thats a bit of a stretch mate.
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I am not arguing, I clearly stated above the definition of atrophy and how it does describe what we are after in a way, but the term we choose to use is a more positive, aggressive, and driven phrase, “reverse hypertrophy”. Dr. Emil coined this phrase and I will continue to use it when referring to my goals on this matter. If you prefer to refer to it as atrophy, or preferably “focused atrophy” then that is fine, we are all entitled to our preferences.
The statement you made about adarqui and I being the same individual is ridiculous though, I have posted my pictures earlier in this thread, have one of them in my avatar, and he has done the same, several times throughout this thread. I am 6’2", he is 6’1", I weigh 225 lbs, he weighs ~150lbs. I have a tattoo of a barbed wire (goes all the way around, i enjoy the pain it caused on the underside of my tricep) on my left arm, and chinese and japanese characters on my right bicep, that state “strength, strive, and endure”, I do not believe he has any tattoos. I also feel that he is better at spelling than I am atm, but this is also something I plan to work hard on in addition to my physique goals. Here is one of my pictures again in case you missed that, I obviously have alot more work to do than him at this point but that is why I am here in the first place. Losing fat, muscle, and bone mass, through the process of reverse hypertrophy, is not an easy process.
[photo]31460[/photo]
Congratulations on your making 130 lbs, that is an awesome accomplishment, if I can end up even fairly close to that bodyweight I will be more than ecstatic.
[quote]honeybadger wrote:
[quote]joutmez wrote:
[quote]honeybadger wrote:
[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
[quote]adarqui wrote:
reach ones goals of reverse hypertrophy.
[/quote]
The word your looking for is atrophy.[/quote]
No offense, and I can understand what you mean here, atrophy is defined as: A wasting or decrease in the size of an organ or tissue, as from death and reabsorption of cells, diminished proliferation of cells, pressure, lack of oxygen, malnutrition, decreased function, or hormonal changes.
However, what we are trying to do is take a more active role in the matter, and also keep it on a more positive note. This term “reverse hypertrophy” was first coined by elite strength coach Robert Emil, formerly of the USSR.
Atrophy is more of a passive, or “accidental” loss of tissue, while “reverse hypertrophy” is more of a positive wording, that allows us to take a more assertive role in resolving these issues.
As I said, I mean no offense by this and I fully understand the confusion, but I strongly believe this phrase “reverse hypertrophy” is a more accurate description of what we, and apparently several others ( I have so far recieved 4 messages from other members and users stating that they are very appreciative of this thread and have had similar thoughts and goals but have been afraid to express them due to the nature of most the information here) are after.
Good luck with your training and goals, and thank you for supporting us in ours.
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You’re arguing semantics. Atrophy and this “reverse hypertrophy” are both one and the same.
I get the vaque sense that adarqui and honeybadger are the same individual. None the less I hope you reach 130 soon. I remember as a high school athlete having to cut to 130 at five foot ten and maintaining that weight for four months. A horrible experience very much felt like an anorexic 14 year old girl during that time.
As for a resembling Frank Zane at 6 foot one 130. Thats a bit of a stretch mate.
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I am not arguing, I clearly stated above the definition of atrophy and how it does describe what we are after in a way, but the term we choose to use is a more positive, aggressive, and driven phrase, “reverse hypertrophy”. Dr. Emil coined this phrase and I will continue to use it when referring to my goals on this matter. If you prefer to refer to it as atrophy, or preferably “focused atrophy” then that is fine, we are all entitled to our preferences.
The statement you made about adarqui and I being the same individual is ridiculous though, I have posted my pictures earlier in this thread, have one of them in my avatar, and he has done the same, several times throughout this thread. I am 6’2", he is 6’1", I weigh 225 lbs, he weighs ~150lbs. I have a tattoo of a barbed wire (goes all the way around, i enjoy the pain it caused on the underside of my tricep) on my left arm, and chinese and japanese characters on my right bicep, that state “strength, strive, and endure”, I do not believe he has any tattoos. I also feel that he is better at spelling than I am atm, but this is also something I plan to work hard on in addition to my physique goals. Here is one of my pictures again in case you missed that, I obviously have alot more work to do than him at this point but that is why I am here in the first place. Losing fat, muscle, and bone mass, through the process of reverse hypertrophy, is not an easy process.
[photo]31460[/photo]
Congratulations on your making 130 lbs, that is an awesome accomplishment, if I can end up even fairly close to that bodyweight I will be more than ecstatic. [/quote]
You natty bro?
Yur lookin swole as hell bro
Huge and full. awsome. good lower stomach development. stacked brooo
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]honeybadger wrote:
[quote]joutmez wrote:
[quote]honeybadger wrote:
[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
[quote]adarqui wrote:
reach ones goals of reverse hypertrophy.
[/quote]
The word your looking for is atrophy.[/quote]
No offense, and I can understand what you mean here, atrophy is defined as: A wasting or decrease in the size of an organ or tissue, as from death and reabsorption of cells, diminished proliferation of cells, pressure, lack of oxygen, malnutrition, decreased function, or hormonal changes.
However, what we are trying to do is take a more active role in the matter, and also keep it on a more positive note. This term “reverse hypertrophy” was first coined by elite strength coach Robert Emil, formerly of the USSR.
Atrophy is more of a passive, or “accidental” loss of tissue, while “reverse hypertrophy” is more of a positive wording, that allows us to take a more assertive role in resolving these issues.
As I said, I mean no offense by this and I fully understand the confusion, but I strongly believe this phrase “reverse hypertrophy” is a more accurate description of what we, and apparently several others ( I have so far recieved 4 messages from other members and users stating that they are very appreciative of this thread and have had similar thoughts and goals but have been afraid to express them due to the nature of most the information here) are after.
Good luck with your training and goals, and thank you for supporting us in ours.
[/quote]
You’re arguing semantics. Atrophy and this “reverse hypertrophy” are both one and the same.
I get the vaque sense that adarqui and honeybadger are the same individual. None the less I hope you reach 130 soon. I remember as a high school athlete having to cut to 130 at five foot ten and maintaining that weight for four months. A horrible experience very much felt like an anorexic 14 year old girl during that time.
As for a resembling Frank Zane at 6 foot one 130. Thats a bit of a stretch mate.
[/quote]
I am not arguing, I clearly stated above the definition of atrophy and how it does describe what we are after in a way, but the term we choose to use is a more positive, aggressive, and driven phrase, “reverse hypertrophy”. Dr. Emil coined this phrase and I will continue to use it when referring to my goals on this matter. If you prefer to refer to it as atrophy, or preferably “focused atrophy” then that is fine, we are all entitled to our preferences.
The statement you made about adarqui and I being the same individual is ridiculous though, I have posted my pictures earlier in this thread, have one of them in my avatar, and he has done the same, several times throughout this thread. I am 6’2", he is 6’1", I weigh 225 lbs, he weighs ~150lbs. I have a tattoo of a barbed wire (goes all the way around, i enjoy the pain it caused on the underside of my tricep) on my left arm, and chinese and japanese characters on my right bicep, that state “strength, strive, and endure”, I do not believe he has any tattoos. I also feel that he is better at spelling than I am atm, but this is also something I plan to work hard on in addition to my physique goals. Here is one of my pictures again in case you missed that, I obviously have alot more work to do than him at this point but that is why I am here in the first place. Losing fat, muscle, and bone mass, through the process of reverse hypertrophy, is not an easy process.
[photo]31460[/photo]
Congratulations on your making 130 lbs, that is an awesome accomplishment, if I can end up even fairly close to that bodyweight I will be more than ecstatic. [/quote]
You natty bro?[/quote]
No, I have used creatine and anaconda before, even taking upwards of the recommended dosages at times though I am not proud of this, it has set me back tremendously.
This is in no way a compliment to me, however you may have meant it, my goals are to get to a much, much, lower bodyweight, and I already have existing self esteem issues due to my current state of fat/bone/muscle mass.
[quote]Huge and full. awsome. good lower stomach development. stacked brooo
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More painful words, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from this even though it may be true in your eyes, it hurts me badly when you say things like this, I am contemplating carving my initials in my forearm with a leatherman as we speak.
I have already stated that I was extremely shy and embarrassed about posting pics of myself in the first place, I only did so to get help from the OP with his extensive knowledge of the reverse hypertrophy methods, not to be criticized by others nor to attain “atta boys” from them. I was honestly sweating and shaking when I posted them the first time, I am a very quiet, shy, and reserved person, posting pictures of myself for the first time EVER online took alot of me. Here are the pics again in case you didnt see them:
[photo]31459[/photo]
[photo]31461[/photo]
[photo]31460[/photo]
Anyhow, I have answered your questions to the best of my abilities, please refrain from using advanced bodybuilding terminology when referring to me or my pictures in the future, words hurt people too. Good luck with your training.
Hey guys, just joined the forum as I felt the need to address some of the aforementioned principles in this thread. Controlled muscle deterioration (or reverse hypertrophy) is quite common in sports with weight restrictions. Lower body reverse hypertrophy is commonly done by world class arm wrestlers for example. Some of the best speed/jumping ahtletes in the world are extraordinarily skinny.
Studies in Yemeni camel jumpers(many of which have verticals well above 40 inches) indicate that their best athletes engage in practices consistent with reverse hypertrophy. This all being done without even being aware of the muscle loss, but with a simple understanding that they well jump higher. Take a look at the size of these very much elite athletes:
So these principles are neither new nor out of this world. To even be able to perform some of the principles adarq mentioned which cause loss in bone desnity and rapid muscle loss require extreme mental disciple and sacrifice. In extreme cases of body tissue deterioration in athletes experienced with this, blood flow is limited exclusively to the vital organs and muscles occasionally causing the inability to sustain an erection(this effect is reversable with diet/exercise change).
Also if not done properly, nutrient depletion can cause memory loss/judgement impairment. Fortunately these guys sound like they know what they’re doing. As counterintuitive as it sounds, with enough bone mass depletion and muscle density, muscles can be made to be as storng as bones making injury less likely. So all the theories that adarqui’s injuries are a result of him being skinny are simply nonsense.
As a former wrestler/basketball player, i can attest to the fact that these principles work beyond your wildest dreams if you have the dedication to achieve them. Jumping ability goes through the roof as well as strength/weight ratio. I actual did experience flaccidity from time to time so had to cut these methods short. To each their own, I may try it again in the future with some more discipline and preparation. I hope adarqui and honeybadger can stick with it!
Stop now. You’re embarrassing yourself.
I’ll post tomorrow, bmully’s posts literally made me not want to post in my own thread, they are THAT bad. I’ll wait for it to get to page 9 or something.
I actually feel like bulking up & gaining mass after reading that trash, it was so talentless.
Bmully, relax, please, relax…
I am pretty sure my ability to laugh has been permanently damaged.
Back on topic…
I’m getting stupider coming back to read this thread.
[quote]CrushKillDestroy wrote:
I’m getting stupider coming back to read this thread.[/quote]
Maybe if you opened your mind you would learn something. Just a thought.
[quote]adarqui wrote:
[quote]CrushKillDestroy wrote:
I’m getting stupider coming back to read this thread.[/quote]
Maybe if you opened your mind you would learn something. Just a thought.[/quote]
Open it brah
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
LOL! Twisted thread gets more twisted with the Honeybadger. A man who claims to be intent of self harm if one comment negatively on his physique whilst he grooms Ardquais nutsack. [/quote]
There is no need to attack someone with obvious insecurities who is simply trying to achieve his goals. No one here has remarked that you are wearing glasses that don’t fit you nor that you are a middle-aged man wielding a sword on a website where you have nearly 13,000 posts. One could argue that these are obvious signs of immaturity. I am not saying this is the case, but please leave your personal attacks elsewhere.
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In fact, I would guess that he (ardquai) has appealed to posters on his own forum to come in and espouse the validity of ‘reverse hypertrophy’ on a freaking BODYBUILDING site.[/quote]
There are many wanys to build a body or anything for that matter. An ice sculpter chips away at the ice, yet he has “built” his final creation. Same principles apply here. There are many ways to build a body.
We can all agree that having less fat tissue will be beneficial to an athlete’s speed and strength. The same principle applies to having less bone mass. Also if the tension of muscle is constantly increasing while bone density is constantly decreasing, they will reach a point where the strength of one will exceed the other. If person A is constantly saving while person B is constantly spending, person A will eventually have more than person B. Len Bias’s hamstrings were probably stronger than most of the brittle bones possessed by aspiring bodybuilders on this site. Note that brittle is a relative term and that I don’t mean to offend anyone by comparing them to such an elite athlete as Len Bias.
[quote]This thread gets sadder by the second. Why don’t you guys take this off to some sort of eating disorder forum where they will find your goals of starvation and look of emaciation laudable and noble.
BBB[/quote]
Again with the personal attacks. Please refer to my earlier comment. No one in this thread(to my knowledge) has displayed any characteristics of having an eating disorder. I would even argue that honeybadger is closer to achieving your goals in bodybuilding while trying to do the complete opposite. (no offense to honeybadger)
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
LOL! Twisted thread gets more twisted with the Honeybadger. A man who claims to be intent of self harm if one comment negatively on his physique whilst he grooms Ardquais nutsack.[/quote]
I did no harm to myself, I merely stated my feelings as an appeal to poster attacking me to understand my intense feelings. I have used my knowledge of tai chi to overcome the negativity though, as a fellow martial artist in such a useful method of combat as bushido, I would hope you can relate.
Why the gay bashing jokes? Not a good idea on a bodybuilding forum in my opinion, especially with many of your fellow posters reading this thread as we speak. If I were you I would apologize to BONEZ217, majik, Dave Tate, and the many others you may have offended with that statement.
[quote]In fact, I would guess that he (ardquai) has appealed to posters on his own forum to come in and espouse the validity of ‘reverse hypertrophy’ on a freaking BODYBUILDING site.
“With enough bone mass depletion, you can make muscle as strong as bone”. Um, no. With enough bone mass depletion to can have very weak bones. Sounds like an excellent plan for any athlete to follow.[/quote]
So you have more knowledge regarding the reverse hypertrophy method that both adarqui and Dr. Emil? I would definitely spend some time on pub med, lyle mcdonalds forum, as well as youtube.com if I were you before making such a blanket statement.
[quote]This thread gets sadder by the second. Why don’t you guys take this off to some sort of eating disorder forum where they will find your goals of starvation and look of emaciation laudable and noble.
BBB[/quote]
Look, not all of us are gifted like you are, with the genetics to carry such a low amount of lean muscle tissue, regardless of the amount of time spent training. You shouldnt poke fun at people trying to achieve goals that you may be able to achieve without as much work, you should help and encourage them.
You seem to be a decent person, I see that you are an animal lover and have your dog with you alot, at the beach, hell you even took him to ride an elephant with you so I know you cant be half bad, just please dont judge us for having different goals than you. You dont have to agree with our methods but you dont have to bash them either.
This was funny and now sad. His friends from his forum are coming over to suck on his nuts here too. I have seen his forum, no basketball player in their right minds wants to lose upper body mass… i’ll leave it there. And no, I am not going explain that.
This thread is umbelievable, I don’t know whether to laugh or cry while I read it… Anyways, carry on I suppose. Or maybe it’d be better if you didnt.
[quote]honeybadger wrote:
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
LOL! Twisted thread gets more twisted with the Honeybadger. A man who claims to be intent of self harm if one comment negatively on his physique whilst he grooms Ardquais nutsack.[/quote]
I did no harm to myself, I merely stated my feelings as an appeal to poster attacking me to understand my intense feelings. I have used my knowledge of tai chi to overcome the negativity though, as a fellow martial artist in such a useful method of combat as bushido, I would hope you can relate.
Why the gay bashing jokes? Not a good idea on a bodybuilding forum in my opinion, especially with many of your fellow posters reading this thread as we speak. If I were you I would apologize to BONEZ217, majik, Dave Tate, and the many others you may have offended with that statement.
[quote]In fact, I would guess that he (ardquai) has appealed to posters on his own forum to come in and espouse the validity of ‘reverse hypertrophy’ on a freaking BODYBUILDING site.
“With enough bone mass depletion, you can make muscle as strong as bone”. Um, no. With enough bone mass depletion to can have very weak bones. Sounds like an excellent plan for any athlete to follow.[/quote]
So you have more knowledge regarding the reverse hypertrophy method that both adarqui and Dr. Emil? I would definitely spend some time on pub med, lyle mcdonalds forum, as well as youtube.com if I were you before making such a blanket statement.
[quote]This thread gets sadder by the second. Why don’t you guys take this off to some sort of eating disorder forum where they will find your goals of starvation and look of emaciation laudable and noble.
BBB[/quote]
Look, not all of us are gifted like you are, with the genetics to carry such a low amount of lean muscle tissue, regardless of the amount of time spent training. You shouldnt poke fun at people trying to achieve goals that you may be able to achieve without as much work, you should help and encourage them.
You seem to be a decent person, I see that you are an animal lover and have your dog with you alot, at the beach, hell you even took him to ride an elephant with you so I know you cant be half bad, just please dont judge us for having different goals than you. You dont have to agree with our methods but you dont have to bash them either.
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Are you trying to insinuate that Dave Tate is infected with Ghey??