[quote]four60 wrote:
I see nothing odd about how Glenn is acting. He is a young geeky kid and his girlfriend is forced to strip and he had his ass beat down.
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Even so, im finding it hard to take badass Glenn seriously he is just way too non-threatening.[/quote]
To use the term from the pick-up-artist thread, Glenn is a beta thrust into the role of alpha.
Also, I think the reason everyone like the red-neck with the crossbow so much is he is the only one who is BECOMING MORE HUMAN. He was Merle II.
Now he is a bad-ass version of the old Jewish guy with the RV.
[quote]four60 wrote:
I see nothing odd about how Glenn is acting. He is a young geeky kid and his girlfriend is forced to strip and he had his ass beat down.
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Even so, im finding it hard to take badass Glenn seriously he is just way too non-threatening.[/quote]
To use the term from the pick-up-artist thread, Glenn is a beta thrust into the role of alpha.
Also, I think the reason everyone like the red-neck with the crossbow so much is he is the only one who is BECOMING MORE HUMAN. He was Merle II.
Now he is a bad-ass version of the old Jewish guy with the RV.[/quote]
It’s a strange dynamic though. In this world, morals can get you killed. Like the hero stunt on the bridge, he had nothing to gain out of it but a good feeling in his deed. It seems much more natural that characters would fall apart rather then improve. Shane again is a great example. He started to adapt to survive, like Zombie darwinism. Same with Rick, one of the two had to go in the same sense of wild alpha animals fighting to the death to lead the pack.
Daryl becoming super sidekick is strange. Makes him likeable, but i think we are still giving his character way too much boondock saints currency to bank on.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
In this world, morals can get you killed. [/quote]
I disagree. Morals will keep you alive.
Humans work as a team. Alone we die. Teams are impossible without a moral structure.
Now, it may be a “hard” moral structure, like kill someone infected before they turn, but a structure none-the-less.
There were actually studies of this of people in concentration camps. The people who teamed up and helped each other, giving people the benefit-of-the-doubt (until proven wrong), lived.
There is actually a study of this in litigation where defendants (even if they have fault to point out at each other) co-operate against the plaintiff consistently do better than if they point fingers and “eat each other” so to speak.
[quote]four60 wrote:
I see nothing odd about how Glenn is acting. He is a young geeky kid and his girlfriend is forced to strip and he had his ass beat down.
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Even so, im finding it hard to take badass Glenn seriously he is just way too non-threatening.[/quote]
To use the term from the pick-up-artist thread, Glenn is a beta thrust into the role of alpha.
Also, I think the reason everyone like the red-neck with the crossbow so much is he is the only one who is BECOMING MORE HUMAN. He was Merle II.
Now he is a bad-ass version of the old Jewish guy with the RV.[/quote]
It’s a strange dynamic though. In this world, morals can get you killed. Like the hero stunt on the bridge, he had nothing to gain out of it but a good feeling in his deed. It seems much more natural that characters would fall apart rather then improve. Shane again is a great example. He started to adapt to survive, like Zombie darwinism. Same with Rick, one of the two had to go in the same sense of wild alpha animals fighting to the death to lead the pack.
Daryl becoming super sidekick is strange. Makes him likeable, but i think we are still giving his character way too much boondock saints currency to bank on. [/quote]
I see Daryl as more of a loner than part of the group. He is with but not apart of the group. I can never see him as Leader. The group politics part of leadership would be him saying “follow me, don’t follow me, stay or go I don’t really give a fuck” but he would turn around and look for the lost and help the fallen. He is very much a soldier but not a Leader.
[quote]Waittz wrote:
In this world, morals can get you killed. [/quote]
I disagree. Morals will keep you alive.
Humans work as a team. Alone we die. Teams are impossible without a moral structure.
Now, it may be a “hard” moral structure, like kill someone infected before they turn, but a structure none-the-less.
There were actually studies of this of people in concentration camps. The people who teamed up and helped each other, giving people the benefit-of-the-doubt (until proven wrong), lived.
There is actually a study of this in litigation where defendants (even if they have fault to point out at each other) co-operate against the plaintiff consistently do better than if they point fingers and “eat each other” so to speak.
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Some real good points. BTW you ever read ‘Man’s Search for Meaning’ ?
Like I said before, some type of scientific advancement, something that the group can actually strive for other than mere survival would really change the dynamic of the show. Something like a hope for a cure or a really effective poison/weapon.
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I’d imagine something along these lines will be coming up soon … probably not this season, but in the next season with the introduction of some new characters (Danny Trejo perhaps?)
[quote]IFlashBack wrote:
Like I said before, some type of scientific advancement, something that the group can actually strive for other than mere survival would really change the dynamic of the show. Something like a hope for a cure or a really effective poison/weapon.
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I’d imagine something along these lines will be coming up soon … probably not this season, but in the next season with the introduction of some new characters (Danny Trejo perhaps?)[/quote]
I agree with FlashBack, I liked the dynamic of the farm last season. It felt like they were making strides to live a decent life. (as much as can be expected)
This season seems like a step backward as far as civilization goes. But until they solve the problem of what to do when a large hoard of walkers shows up they will always be hiding inside walls.
On top of that leadership has gone out the window. They were better of with Shane and Rick posturing for Alpha instead of insane-Rick making decision based on hallucinations.
At this point I am over the showdown between Rick and the Governor. They have dragged it out so long I don’t even want to see it. I hope Rick and his people slip out the back of the prison and just leave for greener pastures.
[quote]four60 wrote:
I see nothing odd about how Glenn is acting. He is a young geeky kid and his girlfriend is forced to strip and he had his ass beat down.
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Even so, im finding it hard to take badass Glenn seriously he is just way too non-threatening.[/quote]
To use the term from the pick-up-artist thread, Glenn is a beta thrust into the role of alpha.
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Do not be afraid of alpha.
Some people are born with alpha, some achieve alpha and some have alpha thrust upon them.
Some people are born with alpha, some achieve alpha and some have alpha thrust upon them. [/quote]
~ Shakespeare[/quote]
… knew his stuff.
Taming of the Shrew is textbook.
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Evidently Orion’s an educated man. Now I really hate him.
~ ?
Some people are born with alpha, some achieve alpha and some have alpha thrust upon them. [/quote]
~ Shakespeare[/quote]
… knew his stuff.
Taming of the Shrew is textbook.
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Evidently Orion’s an educated man. Now I really hate him.
~ ?[/quote]
Some people are born with alpha, some achieve alpha and some have alpha thrust upon them. [/quote]
~ Shakespeare[/quote]
… knew his stuff.
Taming of the Shrew is textbook.
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Evidently Orion’s an educated man. Now I really hate him.
~ ?[/quote]
That’s a paraphrase from The Twelth Night not Taming of the Shrew
Some people are born with alpha, some achieve alpha and some have alpha thrust upon them. [/quote]
~ Shakespeare[/quote]
… knew his stuff.
Taming of the Shrew is textbook.
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Evidently Orion’s an educated man. Now I really hate him.
~ ?[/quote]
That’s a paraphrase from The Twelth Night not Taming of the Shrew [/quote]
Ja, but that was not the point.
No bigger bitch shields than in Katharina or Beatrice, no one to tear them down more efficiently than Benedict or Petruchio.
Shakespeare knew, Lord Byron knew, Aristophanes knew, so did Schopenhauer, Nietzsche and the Bible knew too.
We, arrogant little twits that we are, thought we knew better.
I think the show’s writers are getting confused by trying to manage the current TV product while following the source material in the graphic novels. It seems in TV or in films even slight diversions from the original source material, whether it be plot or character development, have confounding effects on the product audiences see. I fathom this is because TV or film eventually reach a point where they naturally evolve and take a life of their own.
The nuances of production, the way the show or film is directed and the unique flavour different actors bring to their characters, amongst other factors. Production companies seem to have noticed this uniqueness of cinema and TV and seem to operate with flexibility in how they go about producing whatever it is they are producing. By flexibility I mean not taking scripts as rigorous blueprints that should not be deviated from. You see it in cinema by way of changing scripts or half-scripts that evolve as you shoot on.
In TV, writers seem to be myopic and only write for one season at a time (although admittedly this can be part explained by the uncertainty of a second season, which is up to the studios based on ratings). Producers have a rough long-term outline of where things will eventually end up (how the story ends) but the path to that ultimatum will often be left uncertain on purpose.
Anyway, the show has evolved on its own – Daryl seems to be the unanimous best character on the show while others like Andrea, Rick and Michonne (again amongst others) are disappointments. I don’t think the writers foresaw Daryl’s emotional accessibility when they started off writing the show.
The thing is, all the show’s problems are fixable if the writers and producers take a pause and concentrate on the TV product while ignoring the source material, specifically the plot, at least for a while. Maybe they could implement a transition period where the characters on the show evolve into their characters in the comics. Bottom line, there shouldn’t be a rush to kill this person off or introduce this character.
The best acting this season came from that zombie head that was trying to bite Samurai Girl and the Gov when they were fighting in his entertainment closet. I really believed it was hungry and meant to consume human flesh.
*Spoiler
I hope she nails his dick to the floor like she did in Book 3. Can’t wait to get Book 4 and see what happens.
[quote]GhorigTheBeefy wrote:
The best acting this season came from that zombie head that was trying to bite Samurai Girl and the Gov when they were fighting in his entertainment closet. I really believed it was hungry and meant to consume human flesh.
*Spoiler
I hope she nails his dick to the floor like she did in Book 3. Can’t wait to get Book 4 and see what happens.[/quote]
[quote]Waittz wrote:
In this world, morals can get you killed. [/quote]
I disagree. Morals will keep you alive.
Humans work as a team. Alone we die. Teams are impossible without a moral structure.
Now, it may be a “hard” moral structure, like kill someone infected before they turn, but a structure none-the-less.
There were actually studies of this of people in concentration camps. The people who teamed up and helped each other, giving people the benefit-of-the-doubt (until proven wrong), lived.
There is actually a study of this in litigation where defendants (even if they have fault to point out at each other) co-operate against the plaintiff consistently do better than if they point fingers and “eat each other” so to speak.
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