We can leave the pathology of the proplem to the pathologists. Whether he was born a dog banger or somehow learned to be a dog banger would determine the course of action. Either way, he wants to bang a dog and that is not right any way you slice it. So I figure, if he learned to bang dogs-sorry dogs, but at least it hinders his chances of entering the gene pool and creating more dog bangers. On the other hand if he is somehow neurologicaly programed to want to bang dogs, he will still not reproduce, which I think is good news for the rest of humanity.
Or maybe they should just neuter him and he will be rellegated to impotently humping pillows and couch arms.
Where do you get off making shit up about my opinions? Sure, you didn’t quite say it, but you often lump me into various viewpoints in a sly way. Previously I was “ultra” liberal, now it is “social” liberal… and it’s simply not true.
For someone that is so all fired up about right and wrong you might want to exercise a bit more restraint in your stretches of the truth, lest you prove yourself a hypocritical zealot. You certainly wouldn’t be the first.
My principles don’t require that gays be “born that way” to be treated with respect as human beings.
I don’t care whether it is nature or nurture – and this does not in any way open the door to dog fucking or other elaborate fantasies that you make up concerning viewpoints you apparently don’t understand.
[quote]mindeffer01 wrote:
We can leave the pathology of the proplem to the pathologists. Whether he was born a dog banger or somehow learned to be a dog banger would determine the course of action. Either way, he wants to bang a dog and that is not right any way you slice it.[/quote]
So some actions which people can be “born with” a desire to do are wrong.
[quote]So I figure, if he learned to bang dogs-sorry dogs, but at least it hinders his chances of entering the gene pool and creating more dog bangers. On the other hand if he is somehow neurologicaly programed to want to bang dogs, he will still not reproduce, which I think is good news for the rest of humanity.
Or maybe they should just neuter him and he will be rellegated to impotently humping pillows and couch arms.
[/quote]
Excellent point!
[quote]vroom wrote:
Unlike the social liberals (like vroom), who claim that they know that Gays are “born that way.” I have no idea whether Gays are born that way, something occurs in their childhood which contributes to them being Gay, or they make a conscious decision to be Gay.
Where do you get off making shit up about my opinions? Sure, you didn’t quite say it, but you often lump me into various viewpoints in a sly way. Previously I was “ultra” liberal, now it is “social” liberal… and it’s simply not true.
For someone that is so all fired up about right and wrong you might want to exercise a bit more restraint in your stretches of the truth, lest you prove yourself a hypocritical zealot. You certainly wouldn’t be the first.
My principles don’t require that gays be “born that way” to be treated with respect as human beings.
I don’t care whether it is nature or nurture – and this does not in any way open the door to dog fucking or other elaborate fantasies that you make up concerning viewpoints you apparently don’t understand.[/quote]
While I may not understand as much about buggery with an animal as you do, I certainly understand enough to know that it’s wrong.
As far as your opinion on gays, I will go one step further, I think Gay people are desrving of our love and respect. I have stated this on other threads.
Let’s see what else is bothering you? Oh yes, I’m not trying to be “sly” in the least! I must be slipping if you think that’s the case.
Just to make sure that you know my opinion of where you stand: I THINK YOU ARE A SOCIAL LIBERAL! I hope that’s not coming off as sly.
Got it?
Well, that makes you deluded. Perhaps self-delusional or maybe simply conflict seeking. Neither is my problem.
Pay attention to my stance on relevant issues and you’d know better.
Anyway, you don’t think that everyone agrees that dog fucking is bad? You think the world is just itching to go fuck dogs if it wasn’t for your watchful eye?
Man, you are going senile or something in your old age Zeb.
Wooo, there’s a world conspiracy of dog fuckers out there, and they are all liberals, just hiding right out of your sight, just waiting for you to look the other way. Wooo, Lassy is looking mighty cute after that recent shampoo and clip job.
On the other hand, screwing the pooch is an oft used term for doing sweet fuck all while at work. Are you at work today Zeb? Wooo, that means everyone is secretly a dog fucker – even you… auuuuugh!
Deluded old fart. Speaking of wacko…
[quote]vroom wrote:
Just to make sure that you know my opinion of where you stand: I THINK YOU ARE A SOCIAL LIBERAL! I hope that’s not coming off as sly.
Well, that makes you deluded. Perhaps self-delusional or maybe simply conflict seeking. Neither is my problem.
Pay attention to my stance on relevant issues and you’d know better.
Anyway, you don’t think that everyone agrees that dog fucking is bad? You think the world is just itching to go fuck dogs if it wasn’t for your watchful eye?
Man, you are going senile or something in your old age Zeb.
Wooo, there’s a world conspiracy of dog fuckers out there, and they are all liberals, just hiding right out of your sight, just waiting for you to look the other way. Wooo, Lassy is looking mighty cute after that recent shampoo and clip job.
On the other hand, screwing the pooch is an oft used term for doing sweet fuck all while at work. Are you at work today Zeb? Wooo, that means everyone is secretly a dog fucker – even you… auuuuugh!
Deluded old fart. Speaking of wacko…[/quote]
Vroom,
You are very consistent I will give you that.
You are always the first one to lower the standard of debate.
You are the first one to name call.
You are the first one to use gross exaggerations.
Up to this most recent post I have called you a liberal (in many different forms). I see you are offended by my comments, but they are certainly fair game on a political thread. I am aiming at your political view (as always) nothing personal.
You on the other hand continue to wallow in name calling and mud slinging, is there some liberal on the national level which you seek to emulate. Personally, I can’t think of any which stoop so low so often, but there might be someone.
I wonder if you would be so confrontational if you were face to face with those you have personally attacked on this forum. There is a decent size list at this point. Who knows?
Regardless of your name calling and other personal attacks my time with you has been well worth it.
You are a social liberal and I had the opportunity to point that out. If it has done nothing else other than to expose your real agenda it’s been well worth it.
At least everyone on the forum knows what you are all about! 
Keep the insults coming vroom you are now starting to get the reputation as an ill tempered liberal!
[quote]You are a social liberal and I had the opportunity to point that out. If it has done nothing else other than to expose your real agenda it’s been well worth it.
At least everyone on the forum knows what you are all about! :)[/quote]
Zeb, you make this stuff up as you go along and it is very silly.
However, I am surprised calling you a delusional old fart is sinking to a low depth. It’s a rather mild and humorous thing to be called.
What brand of liberal will you decide I am tomorrow Zeb? What agenda is it that you think I have? I’m genuinely curious. If I have an agenda, then I would actually like to know what it is, because I’m not aware of it.
Hmm, the only agenda I might imagine myself having would be one to make people think about issues, to consider them carefully instead of accepting dogma from some source or another.
Recently you suggested that social liberals (not some, but in general) accept violence against women or ethnic groups due to cultural history.
Saying that this is related in any way to my beliefs is insulting. Claiming it again in this thread… by lumping me into this catch all evil liberal group of yours, is insulting. Your implications in general are insulting.
If anyone has sunk low, it is yourself with your wilingness to twist the truth and stuff people into boxes that they don’t belong into for whatever strange reasons you have.
Keep it up Zeb, your lack of morals is showing you to be a hypocrit. Sorry, but that isn’t sinking low… it is just reflecting on a fact.
By the way, I’m an ill tempered bastard, which has nothing to do with my political leanings.
I’m from South Carolina, and this incident occured no more than twenty or so miles from my home. This kid is pretty messed up. I can’t say that I’d be happy to see my neighbor having sex with a dog, either… That shit is just weird.
vroom wrote
Hmmm, the only agenda I might imagine myself having would be one to make people think about issues, to consider them carefully instead of accepting dogma from one source or another."
My first internet LOL goes to this statement.
Do you really put yourself on this kind of self absorbed pedastal?
This will be my only response so feel free to fire away, but that statement shows your sactimonious–delusional personality. Do you honestly believe this to be true? That you give us all pause to our thoughts and beliefs?
WOW!!!
vroom:
No, actually I have never made anything up about you (or anyone else). The truth is actually interesting enough. You are very liberal everyone knows it, nothing made up. It’s a purely political statement.
On the other hand being called names by your close friends on occasion is funny. Being personally attacked because I happen to be on the opposite end of the political fence is childish behavior.
I suppose if you tallied up all of the personal insults that you throw at all who sit on the opposite side on a regular basis there would be quite a list. You have even been cautioned by the mods on occasion to “keep it civil” from what I understand. Is this the sort of online reputation that you are after?
I wonder why it is you can’t simply argue the issues like everyone else on the forum? It always seems to me that those who are out of ideas resort to name calling and personal attacks. Is that the situation in your case?
Here are just some of your gems directed at those who disagreed with you on (only one thread) lothario’s “Cheesetastics Anonymous” thread:
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“It’s a liberal conspiracy right? Moron.” (to rainjack I believe)
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“Veg, are you on crack? Seriously? Step away from the bong!”
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“you fucking tard, what part makes you think I didn’t read it?”
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“Take your blinders off and learn to read yourself.”
This was just one quick look, I may have missed a few, but this will suffice for our purposes.
Don’t get me wrong, It’s not about hurting anyones feelings. We are all adults here (for the most part) and personal insults have been heard by all of us at some point in our lives. It’s just that most of us don’t expect it on a regular basis when discussing the issues of the day.
You lower the standard of discussion when you begin your constant relentless personal attacks on all who disagree with you. For the most part it’s kids (bored teens usually)who use the Internet via chat rooms, message boards etc. to vent their pent up anger. We call them trolls. Is that what you want us to refer to you as? I don’t think so.
This sort of behavior coming from an adult on a somewhat regular basis is just surprising. It seems you want respect around here yet all you seem to do is hand out personal insults when someone disagrees with you. Matters not who it is, me, sasquatch, rainjack, Joe Weider, Vegita, hedo, and others. Don’t you think you could do better?
You might want to go back and review your posts you really are not contributing much (other than personal attacks) as of late. And I think this a departure from your early posts. While you always espoused liberal view points, you didn’t seem to sink to personal insults and single handedly kill good debate and otherwise enlightening discussion as rapidly as you do now.
Just some things to ponder while you rub your chin and wax liberally.
Take care,
Zeb
[quote]Do you really put yourself on this kind of self absorbed pedastal?
This will be my only response so feel free to fire away, but that statement shows your sactimonious–delusional personality. Do you honestly believe this to be true? That you give us all pause to our thoughts and beliefs? [/quote]
Sasquatch, I only said what I might try to do, not that I’d actually have any prayer of achieving anything like that. Sanctimonious ass.
There’s no pedestal involved in pointing out what appear to be contradictions in principles or unfounded leaps in statements made.
I’m on the receiving end of that all the time myself.
Well Zeb, cry me a river. If you can’t handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen…
Do you have a point? Would you like me to change my personality for you?
[quote]vroom wrote:
Well Zeb, cry me a river. If you can’t handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen…
Do you have a point? Would you like me to change my personality for you?[/quote]
Cry you a river?
That’s close to the type of response which you have become known for.
I think I made it clear that it has nothing to do with “heat.” We (adults) have all been around children (teens) who name call. There is no “heat” involved (shaking head). It really doesn’t take any courage, or intelligence to type out a few personal insults and hit the submit button. In fact, I think it takes discretion, maturity and control not to do such things, qualities that you once displayed on this very forum.
I don?t think you have a personality disorder either. It’s a simple matter of common respect. Lately you have none for anyone who thinks differently than you!
As I have already stated, but will emphasize once again: You bring the forum down. You do nothing to promote open debate and you certainly are not doing T-Nation any favors with your temperamental overly caustic childish remarks.
I think you can do better.
Excuse me, am I in the politics forum? Yes? Good.
I’ll get right on that for you Zeb…
[quote]vroom wrote:
Do you really put yourself on this kind of self absorbed pedastal?
This will be my only response so feel free to fire away, but that statement shows your sactimonious–delusional personality. Do you honestly believe this to be true? That you give us all pause to our thoughts and beliefs?
Sasquatch, I only said what I might try to do, not that I’d actually have any prayer of achieving anything like that. Sanctimonious ass.
There’s no pedestal involved in pointing out what appear to be contradictions in principles or unfounded leaps in statements made.
I’m on the receiving end of that all the time myself.[/quote]
vroom
I quoted you directly–you said nothing like how you just responded. You continually do this. You say something–get called on it–then say that’s not how you meant it. How many times for the same old excuses?
You specifically said you try to bring up points that others might not see.
Crap?
Believe it or not, people on the other side of your fence have analized the available info and have come up with their stance. You are not offering anything new or innovative. Your act is tired and old.
Now with Zeb, your responses once again show your maturity–(or lack there of)
Just because we are on the political forum does not open the floodgates for booorish behavior. Yes, the topics can become heated, but it doesn’t automatically give anyone open season on bad behavior or manners.
If you feel under attack all the time, maybe there is a reason. You are on the attack all of the time.
Sasquatch, did I say the above? No. I don’t care if you quote me, you still go off on a tangent afterwards and make shit up.
Also, there are more people reading these threads than just the few of us regular contributors. And I could say the same to you, why do you bother trying to point things out, when we have already considered all ofyour points?
As usual you are doing a good impression of the pot calling the kettle black.
[quote]vroom wrote:
That you give us all pause to our thoughts and beliefs?
Sasquatch, did I say the above? No. I don’t care if you quote me, you still go off on a tangent afterwards and make shit up.
Also, there are more people reading these threads than just the few of us regular contributors. And I could say the same to you, why do you bother trying to point things out, when we have already considered all ofyour points?
As usual you are doing a good impression of the pot calling the kettle black.[/quote]
Typical vroom
You know that was my dialogue in the original post RESPONDING to the direct quote of yours. Do you live in the real world? The very thing you accuse others of you do constantly and have just done to me in the past 2 posts.
That “quote” you posted was my reference to you saying that you bring up points that most of us don’t think about. I called you on it and I stand by it. So now quote this!
You try to act above everyone when actually you bring 90% of the threads you post in down. I know you’re the special one here, but reality is vroom you are an instigator who likes to give and can’t take crap. JW throws a little soy milk at you and you extrapolate that out to him calling you estrogenic blah blah blah…
You enjoy trying to give out little witty ditties, but you catch one and you cry like a little girl.
Move on little girl. If you don’t like it that I don’t think you’re all that clever or ingenious with your little bits of wisdom, that’s on you, not me.
Unless it’s a post to someone who has previously kissed your ass, you are a downer. Does it not make you wonder why so many people call you on the same crap? Oh that’s right–we are all so stupid we need you to point everything out to us, cause we sure have never looked at the other side.
There, that should give you plenty of fodder. I’m sure you can’t resist to show your “superiority.”
[quote]vroom wrote:
That you give us all pause to our thoughts and beliefs?
Sasquatch, did I say the above? No. I don’t care if you quote me, you still go off on a tangent afterwards and make shit up.
Also, there are more people reading these threads than just the few of us regular contributors. And I could say the same to you, why do you bother trying to point things out, when we have already considered all ofyour points?
As usual you are doing a good impression of the pot calling the kettle black.[/quote]
You know what else. You’re a liar! Youjust lied in this entire post and I call you on it. Show me anywhere where I have misquoted you. Show Me!! You can’t. You make shit up because you think you can get away with it, but I’m calling you right now.
Obviously you haven’t considered aall of my points previously because it took me three pages to ‘convince’ you that the Bible has been properly interpreted and presents a fair and accurate assesment of the intended word.
And only after ZEB agreed with me did you relent. And you weren’t even man enough to say it to me, you backed out of it with ZEB.
You need to get out and gain some self-esteem from something other than your perceived perch on this board. Your kingdom is shrinking.
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