[quote]Headhunter wrote:
“Thank you, JTF! We all owe you a debt of gratitude for showing us how this evil cabal wants to take over our world. I know too: they work hand in hand with George W., who is really a secret reptile being from another world. All this can be documented at www.asksollog.com! My only question is: what do the reptile beings want with us?”
— Dale (aka Rusty Shackleford)[/quote]
I don’t know about reptiles but your timing to flaunt your “intelligence” is perfect!
Newspaper Claims Former DOJ Officials Confirm Bombing Coverup
Thursday, July 14, 2005
The McCurtain Daily Gazette today reports several former powerful and high ranking Justice department officials confirm there was a coverup of the investigation to the Oklahoma City bombing.
“The officials also say the bombing occurred because the sting was ‘bungled’ by the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms.”
Wow, talk about crossing a bunch of lines. This has nothing to do with Bush, per se, so don’t try to take my comment that way.
Federal agents abusing authority (killing someone) during an interrogation because he was perhaps mistaken for someone who had ties with Tim McVeigh.
Folks, you live in a society that is held together by laws and restraints on abuse of power. As painful as it is, yes, bad guys will hide within those restraints and take advantage of them.
If you allow ordinary citizens to be subjected to this type of activity, by authorities, to be held powerless and without reprieve, you lose the very thing that makes your society magical.
It is a shame that not very many people seem to understand this tradeoff.
Agencies and governments act in their own best interests, or to protect the careers of their constituents. These natural desires are at odds with the rights and freedoms in society – even without the need for a guiding conscious conspiracy.
[As an aside, many countries have a glorious sounding constitution, or charter of rights for citizens, it’s a matter of whether or not the government is able to ensure that those rights and freedoms are actually afforded to all citizens.]
If the story above is true, the source of the quip, not the quip itself, then it looks like a coverup was made to hide the fact that somebody, or some group, made a serious error of judgement that cost a lot of lives.
In that case, somebody, or some group of people, conspiracy or not, were either silent for no reason or were pushed to be silent. It is simply imperative that governments and administrative agencies be designed to fight the natural human impulses that lead to lies, deception and injustice in matters such as these.
Freedom depends on vigilence, who’s keeping watch these days?
I would also like to add that Timothy McVeigh has already been put to DEATH for his involvement when it is very possible that he was actually working WITH the ATF at the time.
Hmmm, I wonder if the FBI agents now coming forward are the human or the reptilian kind? :o
“Its all right there from Sollog. In 20 years, the only humans left alive will be those who flee to the high mountains in Canada and Asia.”
— Dale (aka Rusty Shackleford)
To be serious for a moment, why would anyone want to take over this world? Our world is like a high school in Camden, NJ (the most dangerous city in America). Do you want to go teach or be the principal there? Gangs, drugs, maniacs, and more? The assumption by conspiracy theorists is that someone actually want to run the world. Why? Would you like to police and administer Camden? Noooooo!
Why did enron do what they did? MONEY AND POWER. Why did hitler do what he did? MONEY AND POWER. Why does anyone that kills a lot of people or take money away from a lot of people do what they do?
And you don’t think that Bush went after enron because he HAD to… now that the cat was out of the bag he couldn’t just stand around and do nothing, that would look much too bad. However, Ken Lay is still not in prison but MARTHA F*CKING STEWART is! Explain that to me.
Listen, i have a problem with the crazy ass conspiracy people (I dont think JTF falls into this category, ive seen nothing but proof from him) AND the right wing nutjobs who dismiss everything with “You know…i find in life the answer is usually the simplest explanation.”
The problem with the right wingers is that they allow everything to happen because “Well, that cant be true… I havent heard that… That report isnt long enough. Nu uh, i trust my government.” People are out there doing bad things everyone, they are looking out for themselves and no one else.
Instead of asking why WOULD they do this, start asking why WOULDN’T they do this. They have everything to gain by doing this. You think they give a shit about american lives when it means their buddies and family can get a few extra million dollars? That is all they care about, money and power.
“Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely” - Lord Acton
“However, Ken Lay is still not in prison but MARTHA F*CKING STEWART is! Explain that to me.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050716/ap_on_bi_ge/corporate_fraud
“NEW YORK - In the latest wave of U.S. corporate scandals, the days of reckoning are finally here. Legal observers say years of hard, and often delicate, work by prosecutors ? initially accused by some of dragging their feet ? are now beginning to pay off in high-profile sentencings.”
“These were a series of unprecedented cases which were going to take unprecedented resources to prosecute,” said Robert Mintz, a former federal prosecutor in New Jersey. “The numbers in these cases were going off the charts.”
“And in January, a trial will start for three top executives of Enron Corp., the energy giant whose collapse in 2001 touched off a wave of corporate scandals.”
“The public’s impatience with the pace of these cases was really a function of more frustration than any conscious effort of the part of the government to drag its feet,” Mintz said.
“It simply took prosecutors time to build these cases and to sort out the frauds,” he said. “They were far more complex than anybody could have imagined 10 years ago.”
I think you have earned a coffee mug with Occam’s Razor emblazoned on it. Keep it handy.
Most senior investment bankers can’t sort out the kind of financial chicanery that Enron, Tyco, etc. engaged in, let alone prosecutors. These prosecutors are going to be prepared and thorough so none these sleazebags gets off.
After reading Sammy Giancana’s DOUBLE CROSS, I wouldn’t put anything past our government. Anyway…
I guess my question now is: how can JTF assemble all these facts and present them on a public board like this w/o ‘disappearing’? This must mean that the cabal is so powerful and entrenched that they don’t really care who knows what and when.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
After reading Sammy Giancana’s DOUBLE CROSS, I wouldn’t put anything past our government. Anyway…
I guess my question now is: how can JTF assemble all these facts and present them on a public board like this w/o ‘disappearing’? This must mean that the cabal is so powerful and entrenched that they don’t really care who knows what and when.[/quote]
He hasn’t posted lately in a couple days. Maybe they finally got him.
because he apparently isnt doing any damage. No one on this board is even listening to him, they just throw out BS excuses why he is wrong. I understand that the burden of proof is on JTF, but none of you are listening to his proof.
I would imagine it gets tiring to try and inform people day after day and have all of them say stupid shit like “That report is too short, it must be wrong” or “Well… I still trust them” when he presents evidence.
People are listening (with 129 posts, and 2,570 views, it’s likely there are more lurkers than just myself)
As to JTF’s theory about motives, yes, the burden of proof is on him. However, he initiated this post questioning the discordant explanations among experts, goverment reports, and official accounts. This, in my mind, puts the burden of proof to those who would ascribe meaning to the various discrepancies among the documents, an issue which JTF’s opposition has poorly addressed.
On note to JTF’s opposition, abandon Occam’s Razor. Occam was not a “scientist”, but a theologian and really is most famous for no other reason than this quote:
“One should not increase, beyond what is necessary, the number of entities required to explain anything.”
Which was more directed at the church than any study of science. And even then, it is/was adopted as a principle not a rule or law, so its application is capricious. Indeed, the atom, string theory, oxidative phosphorylation, molecular genetics, phlogiston, Darwinian evolution, Lyssenkoism are/were far from the simplest explanations and were used in their respective time and place. If you are going to use/accept this explanation of reality, you might as well accept Shakespeare or Sir Arthur Conan Doyle:
“There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.”
-Things may or may not exist whether you believe them there or not.
“When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”
-If things are always as simple as possible, why are they sometimes improbable?
At the end of the day, we still have JTF’s discordant evidence and his theory. Personally, I don’t believe the whole government conspiracy, but I do smell something fishy.