Wacko Conspiracies

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Hmmm.

I once saw a vision of the PNAC plan to take over the world in my split-pea soup. Seriously.[/quote]

Why don’t you actually read what they have to say so you can make an educated comment.

It’s not as funny when you can actually follow along with the script.

Dismissing this ‘garbage’ out of hand is blind faith in authority figures.

Have you never heard of Enron? What they did amounted to some of the largest terrorist events in the world. You think Cheney and Bush are any different than Ken Lay? - being that they’re good friends and all.

See my response to rain.

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For example, why would an elected executive that could serve no longer than eight years, and is subject to being yanked after four, attempt these screwy power grabs? For example, why would Clinton try to expand the powers of his administration, knowing that in 2000, he no longer enjoyed any of it?

This type of conspiracy garbage has to cut across ideological lines in a way that can’t be done. [/quote]

It’s not only about the Pres grabbing power. It’s about many people grabbing power and profiting from real or staged events. All you have to do is look after every single terror event. Without FAIL they introduce legislation to restrict your rights and freedoms while throwing gobs of money at new security measures and military defense - but guess what? We’ll get attacked a different way the next time because those new security measures won’t cover the next area of attack. What do you think comes after this?
Body scan machines to be used on Tube passengers

BTW, they’re actually taking care of that “8 year” limitation thing. I’m sure you knew that - blind faith and all.

Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the 22nd amendment to the Constitution
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.J.RES.24.IH:

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Conspiracy junkies like JTF are just one more example of folks who will believe anything fed to them, so long as it makes them feel cool or interesting for doing something radical. Everyone wants to be a radical these days, taking on the ‘machine’.[/quote]

Actually I do my own research so I don’t get ‘fed’ anything - I analyze the data and draw my own conclusions.

YOU, on the other hand, put your complete trust in authority figures so it is YOU who believes anything that is fed to you. So who is it that tells you not to believe in wacky ‘conspiracy theories’? That’s just more tin-foil hat crap - don’t even waste your time looking at it.

How Bush’s grandfather helped Hitler’s rise to power
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company’s assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

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Zzzzzzzzzz.[/quote]

Your blind faith and common sense I take it.

[quote]
It’s not that conservatives or sensible liberals put too much faith in government - we invented imited government, remember - it’s that we tend not to believe anyone selling a bucket of horseshit when common sense will do.[/quote]

Huh, your common sense has you still believing the single truck bomb theory in spite of hearing otherwise - you sure you didn’t get the horseshit by mistake? That’ll happen occasionally when you rely on blind faith to make a purchase.

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“JTF, you certainly have a lot of information at your fingertips. Can you tell us how you come by all this or do you have to get special permission from headquarters?”
— Dale (aka Rusty Shackleford)

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
The one thing that always casts doubt on conspiracy theories like this is that for this to truly be a conspiracy all the involved parties would have to work together, have the same story, not leak the info, essentially do everything right and consistently.

So what you have to believe to be a conspiracy person is that while the US government makes all kind of screw-ups and errors in almost all areas it manages, when it comes to this particular issue, they are flawless, perfect, working in unison.

I’m sorry, but it is not reasonable to believe that the US government, with all the people and agencies involved, could all be in on this bombing. And for this to be pulled off they would all have to be part of it. Then, not only part of it, but they would have to all go along with the story, make not mistakes, everything in unison.

So the biggest flaw in this and all government conspiracy theories is the fact that they involve so many people who have to perform so perfectly for it to work. That is just not real life.

Everyone screws up and the more people involved the more the chance for screw-ups. That means that if this were true there is no way they could keep it from coming out.
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And how long did the Catholic church hide the rapings and molesting and innocent children by priests…

P.S. Just making a statement to show that a huge orginization can keep information at bay for a great deal of time.

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[quote]PGA200X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:

Everyone screws up and the more people involved the more the chance for screw-ups. That means that if this were true there is no way they could keep it from coming out.

And how long did the Catholic church hide the rapings and molesting and innocent children by priests…

P.S. Just making a statement to show that a huge orginization can keep information at bay for a great deal of time.[/quote]

The Catholic Church did a poor job hiding these things. I have been aware that the Catholic Church tranferred priests that molested children for decades. It is one of the reasons I have not been involved in the Church for 20 years. (And no, I was not a victim).

This is actually a good example on how coverups and conspiracies often fail.

It is only in the last 5 or so years that the media has really took hold of this particular issue.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
The Catholic Church did a poor job hiding these things. I have been aware that the Catholic Church tranferred priests that molested children for decades. It is one of the reasons I have not been involved in the Church for 20 years. (And no, I was not a victim).

This is actually a good example on how coverups and conspiracies often fail.

It is only in the last 5 or so years that the media has really took hold of this particular issue.[/quote]

You may have known about them for decades but its been going for millennias…

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
The one thing that always casts doubt on conspiracy theories like this is that for this to truly be a conspiracy all the involved parties would have to work together, have the same story, not leak the info, essentially do everything right and consistently.

So what you have to believe to be a conspiracy person is that while the US government makes all kind of screw-ups and errors in almost all areas it manages, when it comes to this particular issue, they are flawless, perfect, working in unison.

I’m sorry, but it is not reasonable to believe that the US government, with all the people and agencies involved, could all be in on this bombing. And for this to be pulled off they would all have to be part of it. Then, not only part of it, but they would have to all go along with the story, make not mistakes, everything in unison.

So the biggest flaw in this and all government conspiracy theories is the fact that they involve so many people who have to perform so perfectly for it to work. That is just not real life.

Everyone screws up and the more people involved the more the chance for screw-ups. That means that if this were true there is no way they could keep it from coming out.
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This is not necessarily true. The ruling parties and dominant information providers have a mutually dependent relationship. The effects of a small conspiracy can be magnified by the media’s (and public’s) aversion to cognitive dissonance and need to maintain credibility. A small conspiracy that threatens the foundations of our government and system will be covered-up by the rest of the government and information-control system. The government has a built-in damage control.

When stories that run contrary to the official line get out, the mainstream media, government mouthpieces (i.e. Fleischer, McClellan, etc.), and other opinion-generating devices (like this forum) will automatically cover-up what has happened to maintain equilibrium. Indeed, even average citizens will get into the cover-up to avoid a wicked case of cognitive dissonance. Thus, a small group of consprators can appear much larger.

On an entirely different tangent, is anyone familiar with the concept of “false flag?” The most interesting example for this discussion might be the recruitment of spies case.

Consider, if you were employed by the CIA, a fervent patriot, and a foreign intelligence operative wanted to recruit you, he or she would probably not come to you as an agent of said foreign intelligence service. Instead, he or she might claim to be FBI and investigating an internal leak. This FBI agent might ask you for fairly inoccuous bits of data to “test for the existence of a leak somewhere else.” You can see how this might be a disaster for the CIA. Hilariously enough, this is an extremely common method within intelligence services.

Just a couple of ideas I came up with over coffee this morning that might pertain to ya’ll’s opinions of conspiracy theories.

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[quote]PGA200X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The Catholic Church did a poor job hiding these things. I have been aware that the Catholic Church tranferred priests that molested children for decades. It is one of the reasons I have not been involved in the Church for 20 years. (And no, I was not a victim).

This is actually a good example on how coverups and conspiracies often fail.

It is only in the last 5 or so years that the media has really took hold of this particular issue.

You may have known about them for decades but its been going for millennias…[/quote]

I have known since I was a teenager. I suspect if I was a teenager 50 years ago I would have known for 50 years.

If I was a teenager 1000 years ago I would now be dead. Unless I was Al Shades.

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Conspiracies do exist. The destruction of the WTC and the mass transit bombings in London and Madrid are certainly part of a global conspiracy.

Islamic extremists are conspiring against us.

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Whats up guys,

new to the site…

Just wanted to make a note that the govt is not behind these terror attacks and bullshit color coded waraning signs, but rather small factions of world govts heavily influenced by media tycoons and corporate elite that want nothing more than to unify the countries of the world under one system (eventually dictaorship) in order to rule because they are sick, occultist dirt bags who could give two shits about you and your loved ones…

Ive been researching for yrs, and I feel sometimes as if I have left the Matrix lol.

Dont bother with FOX news either as the mainstream media was bought out by the elite in the early 1900’s, they show you what they want to show you.

Face it, people have been wanting to rule the world forever and will do anything to trick us into submission, hence the Reightstag (spelling?)

“We know in the not too distant future, a half dozen corporations are going to control the media.
We took this step (merger) to ensure we were one of them”–Time Warner spokesperson.

“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.”-- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House.

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great
publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion
for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if
we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more
sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty
of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National autodetermination
practiced in past centuries”–David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting
in June of 1991

Wake up

dblbass

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The Catholic Church did a poor job hiding these things. I have been aware that the Catholic Church tranferred priests that molested children for decades. It is one of the reasons I have not been involved in the Church for 20 years. (And no, I was not a victim).

This is actually a good example on how coverups and conspiracies often fail.

It is only in the last 5 or so years that the media has really took hold of this particular issue.

You may have known about them for decades but its been going for millennias…

I have known since I was a teenager. I suspect if I was a teenager 50 years ago I would have known for 50 years.

If I was a teenager 1000 years ago I would now be dead. Unless I was Al Shades.[/quote]

Whats the difference between you “knowing” about the priests and the people “knowing” that there was more than one bomb at OKC?

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Everything that man has just stated, I agree with 100%

The information is there, its lack of information that is the problem with us sheeple

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I believe that to be about -99% true

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woops

I suck at ‘quoting’

now i get it

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[quote]dblbass128 wrote:

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great
publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion
for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if
we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more
sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty
of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National autodetermination
practiced in past centuries”–David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting
in June of 1991

[/quote]

I was at that meeting, serving as a waiter, filling water glasses and whatnot. That isn’t a direct quote, but it comes close. Wake up, people!!!

Just kidding. You’re crazy.

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[quote]dblbass128 wrote:
Whats up guys,

new to the site…

Just wanted to make a note that the govt is not behind these terror attacks and bullshit color coded waraning signs, but rather small factions of world govts heavily influenced by media tycoons and corporate elite that want nothing more than to unify the countries of the world under one system (eventually dictaorship) in order to rule because they are sick, occultist dirt bags who could give two shits about you and your loved ones…

Ive been researching for yrs, and I feel sometimes as if I have left the Matrix lol.

Dont bother with FOX news either as the mainstream media was bought out by the elite in the early 1900’s, they show you what they want to show you.

Face it, people have been wanting to rule the world forever and will do anything to trick us into submission, hence the Reightstag (spelling?)

“We know in the not too distant future, a half dozen corporations are going to control the media.
We took this step (merger) to ensure we were one of them”–Time Warner spokesperson.

“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.”-- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House.

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great
publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion
for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if
we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more
sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty
of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National autodetermination
practiced in past centuries”–David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting
in June of 1991

Wake up

dblbass
[/quote]

(I’m going to say it…)

You log onto the greatest muscle building web site on the Internet and waste your first four posts ranting about some wacky conspiracy!

(shaking head clicking off computer)

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[quote]PGA200X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
The Catholic Church did a poor job hiding these things. I have been aware that the Catholic Church tranferred priests that molested children for decades. It is one of the reasons I have not been involved in the Church for 20 years. (And no, I was not a victim).

This is actually a good example on how coverups and conspiracies often fail.

It is only in the last 5 or so years that the media has really took hold of this particular issue.

You may have known about them for decades but its been going for millennias…

I have known since I was a teenager. I suspect if I was a teenager 50 years ago I would have known for 50 years.

If I was a teenager 1000 years ago I would now be dead. Unless I was Al Shades.

Whats the difference between you “knowing” about the priests and the people “knowing” that there was more than one bomb at OKC?[/quote]

My knowing consists of my father, mother, an aunt who is a nun and a late uncle who was a priest all having first hand knowledge of priests who molested altar boys or had affairs with married woman (and men) in the church.

I consider my family credible. I had many frank and open discussions when I was considering leaving the Church.

After review of the “report” posted indicating that 4 charges were placed to knock down the Murrah Building in OKC I see multiple flaws.

The report itself is a joke. The failure analysis report for such an event would be hundereds of pages long.

The “report” claims that it is impossible to knock down a building with a truck bomb. Since the building was still standing, this statement is irrelevant to reality.

Take a look at the picture above. Does it look like a building that has been “knocked down” as the report tries to deceive you into believing or does it look like a bomb went off in front of the building knocking its face off?

And of course if you were conspiring to deceive people and blow up a building, why would you plant charges in the building and then use a truck bomb? Just use the truck bomb and leave less evidence of your conspiracy.

They must be geniuses to fool us all with their conspiracy, yet they are clearly idiots if they did it the way the conspiracy nutjobs claim.

If they want to win me over these conspiracy nuts must stick to reality. As soon as they post things that are a lie or intentionally deceptive I will tune them out and call them crackpots.

I have yet to see one of these conspiracy theories that I cannot pick out the falsehood or deception quickly.

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[quote]doogie wrote:
dblbass128 wrote:

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great
publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion
for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if
we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more
sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty
of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National autodetermination
practiced in past centuries”–David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting
in June of 1991

I was at that meeting, serving as a waiter, filling water glasses and whatnot. That isn’t a direct quote, but it comes close. Wake up, people!!!

Just kidding. You’re crazy.

[/quote]

Im a meat head conspiracy nut, and youre an idiot, whats your point?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
dblbass128 wrote:
Whats up guys,

new to the site…

Just wanted to make a note that the govt is not behind these terror attacks and bullshit color coded waraning signs, but rather small factions of world govts heavily influenced by media tycoons and corporate elite that want nothing more than to unify the countries of the world under one system (eventually dictaorship) in order to rule because they are sick, occultist dirt bags who could give two shits about you and your loved ones…

Ive been researching for yrs, and I feel sometimes as if I have left the Matrix lol.

Dont bother with FOX news either as the mainstream media was bought out by the elite in the early 1900’s, they show you what they want to show you.

Face it, people have been wanting to rule the world forever and will do anything to trick us into submission, hence the Reightstag (spelling?)

“We know in the not too distant future, a half dozen corporations are going to control the media.
We took this step (merger) to ensure we were one of them”–Time Warner spokesperson.

“The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know, that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government of the U.S. since the days of Andrew Jackson.”-- U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt in a letter written Nov. 21, 1933 to Colonel E. Mandell House.

“We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time magazine and other great
publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected the promises of discretion
for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if
we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more
sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world-government. The supranational sovereignty
of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the National autodetermination
practiced in past centuries”–David Rockefeller in an address to a Trilateral Commission meeting
in June of 1991

Wake up

dblbass

(I’m going to say it…)

You log onto the greatest muscle building web site on the Internet and waste your first four posts ranting about some wacky conspiracy!

(shaking head clicking off computer)

[/quote]

The site has a forum for Politics and World news, if you dont like open debate, stay the fuck off Politic forums.

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[quote]dblbass128 wrote:
Whats up guys,

new to the site…

Just wanted to make a note that the govt is not behind these terror attacks and bullshit color coded waraning signs, but rather small factions of world govts heavily influenced by media tycoons and corporate elite that want nothing more than to unify the countries of the world under one system (eventually dictaorship) in order to rule because they are sick, occultist dirt bags who could give two shits about you and your loved ones…

[/quote]

Ummm… Is your real name Bobby Fischer?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
PGA200X wrote:
Lorisco wrote:

Everyone screws up and the more people involved the more the chance for screw-ups. That means that if this were true there is no way they could keep it from coming out.

And how long did the Catholic church hide the rapings and molesting and innocent children by priests…

P.S. Just making a statement to show that a huge orginization can keep information at bay for a great deal of time.

The Catholic Church did a poor job hiding these things. I have been aware that the Catholic Church tranferred priests that molested children for decades. It is one of the reasons I have not been involved in the Church for 20 years. (And no, I was not a victim).

This is actually a good example on how coverups and conspiracies often fail.

It is only in the last 5 or so years that the media has really took hold of this particular issue.[/quote]

This is actually a good example of how they succeed for a long time before they are exposed. The fact that you knew about it for decades but its only recently coming out really strengthens JTFs argument.

ps I do not believe the govt conspired to bomb the Murrah building. But you would have to be a nutjob not to believe the government hides and distorts information, we should have, on a regular basis.