VP Debate Predictions

Tirib asked:

"…Would it make any difference to you if this were all true…?

OF COURSE it matters to me if Obama is a Marxist, white-hating, anti-American, sexist, supporter of Radical Islam Pedophile who doesn’t want our kids to be protected from sexual Predators.

It just doesn’t add up to me that these are “facts” only being screamed on BLOGS and Internet Forums, and not by either earlier campaigns or the McCain campaign.

Look…I’m not a fervent supporter of either candidate, but I will try to point out and question when either is portrayed a certain way, that at least on the surface, appears very unfair.

Facts are facts.

If Obama is all these things, (which many of you say he is), it will come out in the end; the guy will self-destruct; and I will be the FIRST to say “You all were right”.

Mufasa

This is what I think Palin needs to do:

  1. One of the first rules of Debate; don’t try to bullshit your way through an answer. Everyone knows her experience and that of Biden. If she is honest with an answer, and delivers one that appears honest, she’ll be okay. She shouldn’t try to convey more than she knows.

  2. Stay close to McCain with her positions. (I’m sure that her advisors are making sure she is clear on those).

  3. In keeping with #2, simply state what SHE thinks is right, not what may or may not be politically expedient.

What about “Killer Joe”?

  1. Don’t attack Palin and/or come off condescending.

  2. Keep answers brief and to the point.

In other words, say as little as possible. (Which may be hard for Biden).

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
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Now I have never said any of these and I don’t even believe he hates white people the way Wright does from what I can ascertain. You haven’t seen me jump on his 57 states deal, I have flatly stated that I don’t believe he has anything to do with Islam OR Christianity. I haven’t even gotten into the saving babies of botched abortion thing, not once, because it can’t be clearly enough delineated in my opinion. I’ve even defended him AND Biden when I didn’t think an attack was substantive and I’ve been very critical of Mccain and Palin from day one on a whole host of issues.

However there is a cornucopia of clear public evidence that his political/moral worldview is very closely aligned with those we have fought as enemies and would be an eye popping abomination to the founders of this country. His tax plan alone should make that clear. It is not a progressive tax. It is a spending scheme with welfare handouts to millions of people. Robin Hood-ism in simple absolute terms.

Tirib:

My apologies if it appears I was saying that you felt Obama was all these things.

I was not.

However, each thing that I’ve pointed out have been attributed to Obama by many others.

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Tirib:

My apologies if it appears I was saying that you felt Obama was all these things.

I was not.

However, each thing that I’ve pointed out have been attributed to Obama by many others.

Mufasa[/quote]

That’s fair enough.

To be honest I actually think I would like the man personally. This isn’t about some kind of blind, he can do no right, hatred. It’s about how far we’ve fallen. If his name was Joe Jones and he was white as the wind driven snow he could not have gotten a city council seat 50 years ago because people recognized their enemy.

For those of you thinking Palin will get owned, whic I am one of, this should be an interesting read:

By Andrew Halcro
Wed Oct 1, 4:00 AM ET

Anchorage, Alaska - When he faces off against Sarah Palin Thursday night, Joe Biden will have his hands full.

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I should know. I’ve debated Governor Palin more than two dozen times. And she’s a master, not of facts, figures, or insightful policy recommendations, but at the fine art of the nonanswer, the glittering generality. Against such charms there is little Senator Biden, or anyone, can do.

On paper, of course, the debate appears to be a mismatch.

In 2000, Palin was the mayor of an Alaskan town of 5,500 people, while Biden was serving his 28th year as a United States senator. Her major public policy concern was building a local ice rink and sports center. His major public policy concern was the State Department’s decision to grant an export license to allow sales of heavy-lift helicopters to Turkey, during tense UN-sponsored Cyprus peace talks.

On paper, the difference in experience on both domestic and foreign policy is like the difference between shooting a bullet and throwing a bullet. Unfortunately for Biden, if recent history is an indicator, experience or a grasp of the issues won’t matter when it comes to debating Palin.

On April 17, 2006, Palin and I participated in a debate at the University of Alaska in Fairbanks on agriculture issues. The next day, the Fairbanks Daily News Miner published this excerpt:

“Andrew Halcro, a declared independent candidate from Anchorage, came armed with statistics on agricultural productivity. Sarah Palin, a Republican from Wasilla, said the Matanuska Valley provides a positive example for other communities interested in agriculture to study.”

On April 18, 2006, Palin and I sat together in a hotel coffee shop comparing campaign trail notes. As we talked about the debates, Palin made a comment that highlights the phenomenon that Biden is up against.

"Andrew, I watch you at these debates with no notes, no papers, and yet when asked questions, you spout off facts, figures, and policies, and I’m amazed. But then I look out into the audience and I ask myself, ‘Does any of this really matter?’ " Palin said.

While policy wonks such as Biden might cringe, it seemed to me that Palin was simply vocalizing her strength without realizing it. During the campaign, Palin’s knowledge on public policy issues never matured �?? because it didn’t have to. Her ability to fill the debate halls with her presence and her gift of the glittering generality made it possible for her to rely on populism instead of policy.

Palin is a master of the nonanswer. She can turn a 60-second response to a query about her specific solutions to healthcare challenges into a folksy story about how she’s met people on the campaign trail who face healthcare challenges. All without uttering a word about her public-policy solutions to healthcare challenges.

In one debate, a moderator asked the candidates to name a bill the legislature had recently passed that we didn’t like. I named one. Democratic candidate Tony Knowles named one. But Sarah Palin instead used her allotted time to criticize the incumbent governor, Frank Murkowski. Asked to name a bill we did like, the same pattern emerged: Palin didn’t name a bill.

And when she does answer the actual question asked, she has a canny ability to connect with the audience on a personal level. For example, asked to name a major issue that had been ignored during the campaign, I discussed the health of local communities, Mr. Knowles talked about affordable healthcare, and Palin talked about … the need to protect hunting and fishing rights.

So what does that mean for Biden? With shorter question-and-answer times and limited interaction between the two, he should simply ignore Palin in a respectful manner on the stage and answer the questions as though he were alone. Any attempt to flex his public-policy knowledge and show Palin is not ready for prime time will inevitably cast him in the role of the bully.

On the other side of the stage, if Palin is to be successful, she needs to do what she does best: fill the room with her presence and stick to the scripted sound bites.

�?� Andrew Halcro served two terms as a Republican member of the Alaska State House of Representatives. He ran for governor as an Independent in 2006, debating Sarah Palin more than two dozen times. He blogs at www.andrewhalcro.com .

What you will see are 2 clowns stumbling and bumbling over themselves. The key for both VP candidates is to stumble less than the other. Palin is a tool, she doesnt know shit. She governed a state that has a population of 1/5 of Chicago. Biden isnt much better, often taking things out of context and misquoting. I see this at entertainment more than informative.

OUCH!

Pretty brutal there, Max!

(But probably not far off!)

Mufasa

I predict that I will be reading about it in the morning. With the baseball play-offs and college football on at the same time I have little time for politicians.

Each would be well served in answering the questions, then shutting up. They both have diarrhea of the mouth (as my sixth grade teacher liked to say).

Prediction:

The first few minutes will be unbearable for Palin - she will sound like she has in recent interviews. Biden will hold his tongue and sound intelligent.

After that, both will loosen up and Palin will do MUCH better and Biden will eat both shoes (as he usually does).

If people don’t turn off the tee-vee after those first few minutes, I would guess this will be a Palin “win”. The bar is so low, I can’t imagine a different outcome.

The popcorn will be popped, an ice-cold gin and tonic will be on the side table and I will searching for every method imaginable to keep a 2 year old pre-occupied for 90 minutes.

This is going to be fun.

Any bets that “Killer Joe” will call Palin something like “Honey” or “Sweetie”?

I’m betting he will!

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Any bets that “Killer Joe” will call Palin something like “Honey” or “Sweetie”?

I’m betting he will!

Mufasa[/quote]

He could say she is the first female candidate who is clean, smart and articulate.

Oh wait he already used that line when describing his running mate.

Biden is a gaffe machine. Can’t wait.

"As Goliath came near, David put a stone in his sling, swung the sling around his head, and let the stone go. The stone sank into Goliath’s forehead, and Goliath fell to the ground. (Samuel 17:4853.)

This about sums it up.

I suspect Palin - whom I have concerns about in terms of depth of policy thinking and experience - has had her expectations lowered so much that she will come off as doing well: see Bush, George in 2000. This is why we see the Obama camp trying to give her so much credit - they don’t want create such low expectations.

That said, her amateurism is no different than Obama’s, with one large exception - Obama has been running for president for two years, so he has been doing nothing but trying to improve his knowledge over that time in foreign policy, etc. In fact, Obama’s full-time job for the two years has been to prepare for debates and spend time making himself viable in areas where he was/is thin…and really nothing else.

Palin is no different, except that she has a couple of months, not a couple of years. If we gave her two years of nothing but batting practice on the issues, coupled with a supine media that would keep her in the game with no tough questioning of her experience/credentials, she’d sound like the love child of Henry Kissinger and Alan Greenspan at the podium tonight.

Obama is a product of the process - at the beginning of his announcement, there should have been the same media offensive on “qualifications” that we have seen against Palin - and the accompanying teeth-gnashing over having such a naif in the Oval Office. He got no such - and he got to glide under the radar the entire time.