VP Debate Predictions

Let’s simplify this a bit, shall we?

I would have left the pews of this church the first time I heard some of these “sermans”. What I have heard from this guy absolutely sickens me. Why on earth would I vote for someone who sat in the pews for 20 years and was a personal freind to this guy and sought guidance from him? Are you kidding me?

Same goes for Ayers. The guy repulses me and not just becuase of what he did in the 70s. Obama directed a ton of money this guy’s way so he could continue to indoctrinate young people. Not the kind of guy I would ever hang out with, so why on earth would I vote for him?

Actions and associations that speak to man’s character are just as, if not more, important than any experience.

[quote]skaz05 wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
I predict that the debate will not be over for even 1:00 and the mainstream liberal media will be declaring Palin the loser…Okay that was easy. Next question?

I agree. All the efforts by the media to portray Palin as some arihead bimbo had so far paid off pretty well. SNL just did another Tina Fey as Palin skit that was pretty harsh.

Most people watching the debate have already made up their mind that Palin is some empty head pretty face bimbo, thanks to the liberal media.[/quote]

She is. The fact that this bitch could be one missed heartbeat away from being President is terrifying.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
skaz05 wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
I predict that the debate will not be over for even 1:00 and the mainstream liberal media will be declaring Palin the loser…Okay that was easy. Next question?

I agree. All the efforts by the media to portray Palin as some arihead bimbo had so far paid off pretty well. SNL just did another Tina Fey as Palin skit that was pretty harsh.

Most people watching the debate have already made up their mind that Palin is some empty head pretty face bimbo, thanks to the liberal media.

She is. The fact that this bitch could be one missed heartbeat away from being President is terrifying. [/quote]

Irish, does it bother you that she has more executive experience, and has compiled a better resume than Obama?

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
skaz05 wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
I predict that the debate will not be over for even 1:00 and the mainstream liberal media will be declaring Palin the loser…Okay that was easy. Next question?

I agree. All the efforts by the media to portray Palin as some arihead bimbo had so far paid off pretty well. SNL just did another Tina Fey as Palin skit that was pretty harsh.

Most people watching the debate have already made up their mind that Palin is some empty head pretty face bimbo, thanks to the liberal media.

She is. The fact that this bitch could be one missed heartbeat away from being President is terrifying. [/quote]

Yet you are creaming your fucking pants to put a man in office with LESS experience than she has.

I think it’s hilarious. The last 8 years have been about Bush’s lack of military experience. Now that the republicans have a war hero running, the lefties are coming out with “well, uuhhhhh…ummmmm…you know…as I have always said… uhhhhhh…Palin has no …uhhhhh… experience …and… duhhhhh…derrrrr…she’s only a heart beat away from the…duhhhhhh…oval office”.

Her being a VP scares me a fuck ton less than the Marxist, racist, fucknut, terrorist sympathizer being President.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
skaz05 wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
I predict that the debate will not be over for even 1:00 and the mainstream liberal media will be declaring Palin the loser…Okay that was easy. Next question?

I agree. All the efforts by the media to portray Palin as some arihead bimbo had so far paid off pretty well. SNL just did another Tina Fey as Palin skit that was pretty harsh.

Most people watching the debate have already made up their mind that Palin is some empty head pretty face bimbo, thanks to the liberal media.

She is. The fact that this bitch could be one missed heartbeat away from being President is terrifying.

Yet you are creaming your fucking pants to put a man in office with LESS experience than she has.

I think it’s hilarious. The last 8 years have been about Bush’s lack of military experience. Now that the republicans have a war hero running, the lefties are coming out with “well, uuhhhhh…ummmmm…you know…as I have always said… uhhhhhh…Palin has no …uhhhhh… experience …and… duhhhhh…derrrrr…she’s only a heart beat away from the…duhhhhhh…oval office”.

Her being a VP scares me a fuck ton less than the Marxist, racist, fucknut, terrorist sympathizer being President.

[/quote]

All of your bullshit aside, and this is for flamer too- I went through this with you on another thread. She doesn’t have a better resume at all.

She was mayor of fargo for six years, which has as many people as my town does. She’s been governor for less than two. Seeing Russia from your backyard doesn’t count as foreign policy experience.

Obama’s resume is as follows. I’m pulling it from another post, please don’t make me post this again. Many great presidents have had less experience than him.

This amount of work in politics, the political field, and the eight years in the state legistlature with four years in the US senate is enough for me.

So stick it up your ass.

http://www.politifact.com/...ars-experience/

Obama’s 20 years of experience
By Angie Drobnic Holan
Published on Friday, March 7th, 2008 at 12:31 p.m.

SUMMARY: Though often described as an upstart or newcomer, Barack Obama has a solid resume in public service work �?? 20 years’ worth, in fact.

In a race where his opponent Sen. Hillary Clinton has touted “35 years of experience” over and over, Sen. Barack Obama has begun to cite his own experience of 20 years. At a debate in Cleveland, moderator Brian Williams asked Obama to respond to Clinton’s charges that he was heavy on oratory and light on action. Obama said:

“You know, she characterizes it typically as speeches, not solutions, or talk versus action. And as I said in the last debate, I’ve spent 20 years devoted to working on behalf of families who are having a tough time and they’re seeking out the American dream. That’s how I started my career in public service.”

The voters will decide if the gap between 20 and 35 years is significant, but we find Obama’s claim of two decades of experience to be accurate. We also find that just about all of his experience is in the field of public service, education or civil rights law.

For our examination, we looked at Obama’s official congressional biography, his professional resume and news articles chronicling his political rise in Illinois.

If Obama wins election and takes office in January 2009, he will have served four years in the U.S. Senate representing Illinois.

Before that, he was a state senator in Illinois for eight years. He was also a senior lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School during that time.

His schedule from the school shows him teaching two or three classes in the fall and winter terms �?? usually Constitutional Law III:

Equal Protection and Substantive Due Process; Voting Rights and the Democratic Process; and Current Issues in Racism and the Law. In the spring, he would attend the Illinois legislative sessions.

It seems a fairly safe bet that, like most legislators, his constituent work �?? fielding phone calls and helping people in his district �?? went on year-round.

Press reports indicate he would do a small amount of private law practice during the summer. So that’s eight years as a public official in Illinois, bringing our total to 12 years.

To get to 20 years of experience, we still need eight years from Obama’s career prior to holding public office. Obama graduated from Columbia University in 1983.

He worked for a year as a financial analyst; in his memoir he said he spent his days behind a computer terminal, “checking the Reuters machine that blinked bright emerald messages across the globe” and feeling like “a spy behind enemy lines.”

He gave up that job to go into community organizing, work he felt was more important politically. He worked three years as a community organizer in Chicago before going to Harvard Law School.

We won’t count the junior-level business experience as working “on behalf of families who are having a hard time,” but the community organizing work does seem to fit the bill. That brings his work experience to 15 years.

At Harvard, Obama began to receive national attention. He became the first black president of the Harvard Law Review and was recruited heavily by law firms around the country. (He met his future wife, Michelle Robinson, as a summer associate at the Chicago firm Sidley Austin.)

He graduated in 1991. He ran Illinois Project Vote, a voter registration drive, for much of 1992, and then accepted a position with the Chicago firm Miner, Barnhill & Galland.

The firm specialized in political and civil rights work and neighborhood economic development work. He also began teaching at the University of Chicago in 1993. He was elected to the Illinois state Senate in 1996 and took office in 1997, so his full-time work after law school comprises five years. That gets us to 20 years.

(During these years, Obama also worked on his career as an author. His memoir Dreams from my Father was published in 1994 and reprinted after his speech at the Democratic National Convention in 2004.

A follow-up, The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream, was published in 2006. His personal financial disclosure statements show that those books earned him $1.8-million in 2005 and 2006, the majority of his income.)

The other part of Obama’s claim is that his experience is “on behalf of families who are having a tough time and are seeking out the American dream.” We take that to mean his experience is broadly in the field of public service, and that too is an accurate claim.

The bulk of Obama’s professional experience is either in elected office or working for a nonprofit, a university or a civil rights law firm.

Biden could stammer, plagerize and misquote the entire debate and the NYT and MSNBC will declare him the Messiah II anyway. Hell they could write the stories now and just add in some context.

The left is in full out derangement syndrome of Palin for a reason. They must discredit her now or risk losing to her down the road. The comparison is Reagan in 1976. If the moonbats could have clipped Reagan’s wings in 76 they would have had a much easier time of it in the 80’s and 90’s.

The right missed Obama because we were distracted by Hillary and her apparent lock on the nomination. The left does not want to commit the same error with Palin.

If Palin isn’t ready then Obama isn’t ready. Not by a longshot.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Our we talking semantics here, Tirib?

You’ve made it clear that you feel Obama is a white hating Marxist, all because of his association/alliance with Wright.

That sounds like indoctrination of a young man by a charismatic personality.

Again, this will have to be an “agree to disagree”.

Obama, whatever his failings, is not a white hating Marxist.

Mufasa[/quote]

But it’s not semantics. Indoctrination is the passive state of being told what to think. Alliance is an active conscious participation motivated by commonality of beliefs and purpose.

I don’t personally care if he or Wright hate white people nearly as much as I care about his blatant marxist socialism.

He says in his book “Dreams of my Father” that he actively sought out marxist professors in college and in fact that he went out of his way to find the most radical associations he could.

In 1996 he was a panelist at an event sponsored by, guess who, the Democratic Socialist of America. In their review of the event the DSA newspaper called New Ground of March-April 1996 noted with glee [quote]“While Barack Obama did not use this term, it sounded very much like the “social wage” approach used by many social democratic labor parties.”[/quote] and [quote]"
The state government can also play a role in redistribution, the allocation of wages and jobs. As Barack Obama noted, when someone gets paid $10 million to eliminate 4,000 jobs, the voters in his district know this is an issue of power not economics."[/quote] for instance

They had no problem seeing this guy as an ally and his present campaign promise of “tax cuts for 95% of working Americans” is largely nothing more than an old fashioned income redistribution scheme whereby money is taken from the evil rich and a check is written to people who don’t pay taxes at all. That’s not a tax cut. It’s a spending program built on income redistribution in it’s simplest form. Every time you hear him use the phrase “investment in people” if you listen and check his website he’s talking about spending somebody’s money that isn’t his on other people he thinks should have it.

He attended an undeniably marxist church of his own free will for 20 YEARS. Storefront MY ASS. The Trinity United Church of Christ is a megachurch with 9000 memebers and significant pull in Chicago politics. Funny how separation of church and state go right out the window in this case.

He talks in his book about how Alinsky’s brand of communist radicalism fell short because it underestimated the power of words. Plenty more could be cited.

I have a feeling this guy could do campaign stops in full Soviet garb flying the hammer sickle and and TELL YOU he wants to recreate this nation in the image of his heroes and you’d be telling me “well I see no evidence that he’s a marxist”.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

All of your bullshit aside, and this is for flamer too- I went through this with you on another thread. She doesn’t have a better resume at all.
[/quote]
You can argue that it is not better but i don’t beleive you can agrue that it is worse. Nice cut and paste of your original cut and paste by the way.

Executive experience. Do you want someone with all the answers or someone who can delegate, listen to advice and make a fucking intellagent decision?

But what has he done. Where has he shown leadership. He has been campainging for president almost the entire time. If I lived in Illinois I would be pissed. They are paying him to represent IL. I would give him 2 years experience here.

How many times did he vote “present”? Does this show decisive executive leadership? What else did he do in his 8 years that’s note worthy?

End of applicable experience. The rest of this is not even worth commenting on.

You obviously have never held a management position or had to sort through resumes and hire people. If you did you would be asking yourself “what did he actually do at some of these positions?” You would be looking for specific actions, published papers, legislation, leadership, etc.

We know far more about the specifics of Palin’s (VP)actions and ackomplishments than we do of Obama’s (POTUS). If you are going to hire someone just based on the resume they submit then Obama may look a bit better than Palin as a VP candidate.

Obama is the nominee today because they thought he could win, just like Palin was picked because they thought it could help Mccain win. Neither one of them has any business near the whitehouse, but being forced to choose, I trust Palin’s love for this country and willingness to delegate where appropriate. I wouldn’t care if she were a puppet of her staff and cabinet if the right decisions were made.

I have ZERO trust in Obama’s love for this country except insofar as he believes it can be transformed into a socialist utopia. The fact that’s he’s a weakling despite all his oratorical bluster may make him even more dangerous.

The fact of the matter is this whole market hoopla has brought out the real views of everybody involved and neither camp is worth a damn.

I will say that I suspect that Palin is not in favor of this bailout deal, but cannot be seen publicly denouncing her running mate’s position. I say that because I see no passion and much reservation in her face and voice when she discusses it. Obviously it’s just a hunch.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
The fact of the matter is this whole market hoopla has brought out the real views of everybody involved and neither camp is worth a damn.

I will say that I suspect that Palin is not in favor of this bailout deal, but cannot be seen publicly denouncing her running mate’s position. I say that because I see no passion and much reservation in her face and voice when she discusses it. Obviously it’s just a hunch.[/quote]

I agree. I don’t think she believes what she’s says about the bailout and McCain’s position - and it shows on her face. She hasn’t learned how to lie yet - a few hours in the district will change that.

She’s also probably stunned at the “maverick’s” passivity in letting such a good opportunity pass by. With nearly 80% of American people against the currrent plan, why didn’t her “maverick” running mate hold a press conference, explain to the American people what really happened, and take a leadership role in drafting/passing a more palatable solution?

[quote]hedo wrote:
Biden could stammer, plagerize and misquote the entire debate and the NYT and MSNBC will declare him the Messiah II anyway. Hell they could write the stories now and just add in some context.

The left is in full out derangement syndrome of Palin for a reason. They must discredit her now or risk losing to her down the road. The comparison is Reagan in 1976. If the moonbats could have clipped Reagan’s wings in 76 they would have had a much easier time of it in the 80’s and 90’s.

The right missed Obama because we were distracted by Hillary and her apparent lock on the nomination. The left does not want to commit the same error with Palin.

If Palin isn’t ready then Obama isn’t ready. Not by a longshot.[/quote]

Have you seen Palin try to answer a basic foreign policy question coherently?!

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:
Mufasa wrote:
Our we talking semantics here, Tirib?

You’ve made it clear that you feel Obama is a white hating Marxist, all because of his association/alliance with Wright.

That sounds like indoctrination of a young man by a charismatic personality.

Again, this will have to be an “agree to disagree”.

Obama, whatever his failings, is not a white hating Marxist.

Mufasa

But it’s not semantics. Indoctrination is the passive state of being told what to think. Alliance is an active conscious participation motivated by commonality of beliefs and purpose.

I don’t personally care if he or Wright hate white people nearly as much as I care about his blatant marxist socialism.

He says in his book “Dreams of my Father” that he actively sought out marxist professors in college and in fact that he went out of his way to find the most radical associations he could.

In 1996 he was a panelist at an event sponsored by, guess who, the Democratic Socialist of America. In their review of the event the DSA newspaper called New Ground of March-April 1996 noted with glee “While Barack Obama did not use this term, it sounded very much like the “social wage” approach used by many social democratic labor parties.” and "
The state government can also play a role in redistribution, the allocation of wages and jobs. As Barack Obama noted, when someone gets paid $10 million to eliminate 4,000 jobs, the voters in his district know this is an issue of power not economics." for instance

They had no problem seeing this guy as an ally and his present campaign promise of “tax cuts for 95% of working Americans” is largely nothing more than an old fashioned income redistribution scheme whereby money is taken from the evil rich and a check is written to people who don’t pay taxes at all. That’s not a tax cut. It’s a spending program built on income redistribution in it’s simplest form. Every time you hear him use the phrase “investment in people” if you listen and check his website he’s talking about spending somebody’s money that isn’t his on other people he thinks should have it.

He attended an undeniably marxist church of his own free will for 20 YEARS. Storefront MY ASS. The Trinity United Church of Christ is a megachurch with 9000 memebers and significant pull in Chicago politics. Funny how separation of church and state go right out the window in this case.

He talks in his book about how Alinsky’s brand of communist radicalism fell short because it underestimated the power of words. Plenty more could be cited.

I have a feeling this guy could do campaign stops in full Soviet garb flying the hammer sickle and and TELL YOU he wants to recreate this nation in the image of his heroes and you’d be telling me “well I see no evidence that he’s a marxist”.
[/quote]

Now I’m REALLY confused, Tirib.

With all this damning information and “facts”; why haven’t Rove and the McCain campaign gone after Obama with guns blazing?

Are they waiting for the “Wright” (pun intended!) moment?

Do they want to keep the campaign “positive”? (Which actually went out the door weeks ago).

I find it VERY hard to believe that they would sit on a love that Obama has for Marxist/Socialist/Communist ideals, especially when armed with the facts you presented.

It just doesn’t add up.

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:

Now I’m REALLY confused, Tirib.

With all this damning information and “facts”; why haven’t Rove and the McCain campaign gone after Obama with guns blazing?

Are they waiting for the “Wright” (pun intended!) moment?
[/quote]
I think this is the correct answer.

I hope not.

[quote]
I find it VERY hard to believe that they would sit on a love that Obama has for Marxist/Socialist/Communist ideals, especially when armed with the facts you presented.

It just doesn’t add up.

Mufasa[/quote]

[quote]GDollars37 wrote:

If Palin isn’t ready then Obama isn’t ready. Not by a longshot.

Have you seen Palin try to answer a basic foreign policy question coherently?![/quote]

This one was my favorite.

[i]
Couric: What happens if the goal of democracy doesn’t produce the desired outcome? In Gaza, the U.S. pushed hard for elections, and Hamas won.

Palin: Yeah, well, especially in that region, though, we have to protect those who do seek democracy and support those who seek protections for the people who live there. What we’re seeing in the last couple of days here in New York is a President of Iran, Ahmadinejad, who would come on our soil and express such disdain for one of our closest allies and friends, Israel … and we’re hearing the evil that he speaks, and if hearing him doesn’t allow Americans to commit more solidly to protecting the friends and allies that we need, especially there in the Mideast, then nothing will. [/i]

So I guess now… we’re…protecting… Hamas?

And… that’s… it?

And… now… that means… support Israel? Against Iran? By supporting Hamas?

I mean… she doesn’t even understand the basic tenets of what’s going on there. That answer didn’t make any kind of sense whatsoever, to anyone.

I guess there are things, maybe, that you could infer? But I’m not sure she actually knows what Hamas is, or what they do.

Even for all the neocons that are grasping at straws by screaming about Obama’s perceived lack of experience, you can’t doubt the man’s intellect.

However, Republicans seem to make a habit out of finding the most severely handicapped person they can and sticking them in a position of power.

I know McCain is intelligent, probably just as intelligent as Obama is, if not in different ways. But her… she’s not there.

[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

He says in his book “Dreams of my Father” that he actively sought out marxist professors in college and in fact that he went out of his way to find the most radical associations he could.
[/quote]

Many people are extreme in their youth, especially in regards to leftist political idealogies driven by a sense of idealism.

I did the same thing, but I’m far from a Marxist now, if I could have ever been considered one previously. I liked it because it was interesting.

So Obama didn’t say those words, some journalist from the DSA did.

Source? I want to see exactly what was said.

My mistake, isn’t that the basis of the tax system, especially being as we don’t have a flat tax line? Taking money from everyone to be reinvested in the community that everyone lives in?

Just because you think that Barack is twisting his Stalin moustache and laughing about how he’s redistributing the wealth doesn’t mean it’s true… at all.

So I get it…Republicans want tax cuts, and cheered Bush when he did his, even though it was in the midst of a war and drove the country even farther into debt. The fact that it gave the super rich more money back then most people make was fine.

But when Obama wants to do it, and actually have someone pay for it, then it’s not good. I get it.

Not to mention, you’re going to have a hard time convincing any of the normal people in this country, the 90 percent of them, to have any sympathy for those who make over $250,000 a year that will now get taxed on the whole thing, instead of just the first $100,000.

Propaganda machine broken today boys?

I’ve addressed this before. I’m not going to hold him accountable because of one preacher who is off the deep end.

Where is this massive pull in politics that you found?

Ahh the Propaganda Machine kicked back on I see.

That’s taken out of context. I have no idea what was said before or after, and I’m certainly not going to trust someone like you to be truthful about it. Without seeing it in context, it should not be offered to judge by your one paragraph.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
A bunch of absolute horse shit.
[/quote]

Shove your partisan “proof” up your ass. It may play with the half-wits you call friends, but by the admission of your own crap-filled article - Your racist, Marxist, fucknut of a candidate has never even had a real fucking job. There are errors in that piece of shit article that would flunk a 3rd grader writing a book report.

Why in the fuck are you comparing him to the VP candidate for the Republicans?

You hate Palin - I think everyone gets it.

But spare me the “uhhhh… derrrrr… as I have said… uhhhhhh …many times …only …duhhhhh… one heartbeat…ummmmm… derrrrrrr … old man… d-d-d-d-duhhhhh… dies” horse shit.

You might as well stop trying to defend your position and change your last name to Pelosi. If you tell a lie long enough and loud enough, people will know you are full of shit.

[quote]rainjack wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
A bunch of absolute horse shit.

Shove your partisan “proof” up your ass. It may play with the half-wits you call friends, but by the admission of your own crap-filled article - Your racist, Marxist, fucknut of a candidate has never even had a real fucking job. There are errors in that piece of shit article that would flunk a 3rd grader writing a book report.

Why in the fuck are you comparing him to the VP candidate for the Republicans?

You hate Palin - I think everyone gets it.

But spare me the “uhhhh… derrrrr… as I have said… uhhhhhh …many times …only …duhhhhh… one heartbeat…ummmmm… derrrrrrr … old man… d-d-d-d-duhhhhh… dies” horse shit.

You might as well stop trying to defend your position and change your last name to Pelosi. If you tell a lie long enough and loud enough, people will know you are full of shit. [/quote]

I am not the one making the comparison. Someone else said that if Palin isn’t ready, Obama isn’t either. I said he is. When someone draws that comparison, I’m going to respond.

The question that Couric asked was, of course, an incredibly difficult one. But Palin’s answer, if you’d like to call it that, didn’t even have anything to do with the question, it just shifted the talk to Iran.

And that’s what she said, wasn’t it? Maybe you interpret Retardspeak better than I do. Wouldn’t surprise me.

Theoretically, Biden should spank Palin. But he’s an asshole. And he has a bad temper. She could come out looking much better if he’s not careful.

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Theoretically, Biden should spank Palin. But he’s an asshole. And he has a bad temper. She could come out looking much better if he’s not careful.[/quote]

Which he never is.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
And that’s what she said, wasn’t it? Maybe you interpret Retardspeak better than I do. Wouldn’t surprise me. [/quote]

Well - I am doing a better than decent job of interpreting your key pounding. I would figure Palin to need a lobotomy to approach your level of retard speak.